Rise of Isengard .... No new 3 man 6 man or 12 man gamescom confirmation

[Khafar]

They tripled revenues with F2P...

Yeah, but unfortunately, revenues != profits. Part of the risk with going F2P is that if they get a lot of long-term freeloaders, increased operating costs can eat up their profits. I don't know if that's what's going on or not, but if we were going to see a major new development effort due to increased revenues, I'd expect to see it within a year. DDO got 6 updates in the year following their transition to F2P, some of them quite major.

They're now owned - and funded - by WB...

Owned, yes. Funded? Hard to say. My bet is that if WB is putting money into Turbine, it's for a new game (or games). Two possibilities we've all heard is a Harry Potter MMO, and less likely... a Hobbit MMO. We know they've hired a bunch of people with console expertise in the past 3 years, and I could see them trying to launch either one multi-platform, aimed at a younger audience. The demographic and platform split would help prevent as much cannibalization of their current games (which are PC only, and have an older-than-typical player base).

I'm not being negative here, and I have no inside knowledge on this. Just reading the tea leaves as best I can .

Khafar

[Dorothir]

Moria (10 level rise, 2.5 zones, 7 instances, 1 raid, 2 new classes and a new volume) - £20 for the pre-order (at least mine was).

Mirkwood (5 level rise, 1 zone, 4 instances, 1 raid and the skirmish system) - £15 (mine again).

Isengard (10 level rise, 1 zone masquerading as 3 and 1 raid supposed to be released months before) - £25 (you get the jist).

The look on your customers face when they realise you've charged them more than all the other expansions but delivered the least content, all the while failing to correct them in their valid assumptions - Priceless.

[Kvnw24320]

The main reason i posted this thread was to make Turbine take notice of what the feeling is in game within kins, I know i dont speak for everyone and some peeps will be happy signing to trees all night long

I don’t want to lose more friends from the game due to lack of content

[Morbeleg]

Just had a thought guys:

Instances only show up in the instance join panel once you've visited the entrance for everything post-F2P.

Its entirely possible that those people at GamesCon simply haven't discovered the entrances to the instances and thus cannot see them in the instance join panel.


just a thought...

Not so. The instance show up greyed out and hovering over it says "you must discover this first".
At least it does for me on all the ITA instances.

[Golledhel]

Just had a thought guys:

Instances only show up in the instance join panel once you've visited the entrance for everything post-F2P.

Its entirely possible that those people at GamesCon simply haven't discovered the entrances to the instances and thus cannot see them in the instance join panel.


just a thought...

Instances show up in the instance join panel regardless of you having visited the area or not. It is just greyed out if you haven't visited it.

[Kvnw24320]

Ok there seems to be a wave of thread's coming from gamescom saying that there will be No new 3 man 6 man or 12 man

. I think all the peeps who think that Turbine are holding these back for launch need to wake up and smell the coffee.

[Arbalister]

Instances show up in the instance join panel regardless of you having visited the area or not. It is just greyed out if you haven't visited it.

Here is a more definitive answer about instances - they are already in the works, even if they might not be in RoI.

Note - this is still only an unofficial answer, for the same reason anything else posted by anyone without a blue name is...but it's interesting news attributed to Sapience. Hopefully we can get solid confirmation when they're back from Gamescom.

Edit to modify the above note: Um..Celestrata confirmed that information...right below this...

[Celestrata]

While Isengard itself will not launch with any instances, it does not mean that there isn't an instance cluster in the works...

I can't say any more than that, but I think some of you will find some good news in the thread linked above.

[Stadic]

Ok there seems to be a wave of thread's coming from gamescom saying that there will be No new 3 man 6 man or 12 man

. I think all the peeps who think that Turbine are holding these back for launch need to wake up and smell the coffee.

A number of people mentioned an instance cluster release shortly after Xpac release as a likely scenario. From some people talking to Sapience, that looks probable.

While this seems to infuriate many, I'll stick with what I added before.

I'd rather see a Sept Xpac w/o instances, followed by a Nov/Dec instance cluster release, than have waited for a Nov/Dec Xpac release that included the cluster.

Both end pretty similarly, with the difference that I can enjoy leveling, virtues, crafting and learn class changes for a month or two instead of standing around 21st Hall any longer.

[Arbalister]

While Isengard itself will not launch with any instances, it does not mean that there isn't an instance cluster in the works...

I can't say any more than that, but I think some of you will find some good news in the thread linked above.

I'd call that the solid confirmation I asked about in the post immediately before yours...so...I'll edit that bit...

[Arbalister]

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I'd rather see a Sept Xpac w/o instances, followed by a Nov/Dec instance cluster release, than have waited for a Nov/Dec Xpac release that included the cluster.

Both end pretty similarly, with the difference that I can enjoy leveling, virtues, crafting and learn class changes for a month or two instead of standing around 21st Hall any longer.

I agree, and actually, as I noted in the thread linked above, it might be a good thing, as far as finding groups to get the Dragon raid done.

Edit: Note, though, that my interest in the dragon raid is *not* to grind it over and over, and not to get the items in the raid. I'm a compulsive explorer. *Not* getting into it would drive me crazy...and I want to see the new tech for the dragon himself...but not getting the gear is pretty inconsequential to me. Having a period where it is the main level 75 content may give me, and people like me, the opportunity to get in to see it, without having to go find a big raid kinship...

[Kvnw24320]

I think I deserve an apology from all the posts that say i was speaking ..... .....

[Arbalister]

I think I deserve an apology from all the post that say i was speaking ..... .....

I'm sorry you were speaking ..... .....?

:-)

[Arbalister]

Basic marketing here folks. They have nothing to gain by holding out on you - unless they are holding out on the big announcement that there are (wait for it......) NO NEW INSTANCES!

Um...scroll up about 4 posts before yours...

[Southpa]

If there were new instances, you'd know by now.
If there were no new instances, you wouldn't know by now.

Basic marketing here folks. They have nothing to gain by holding out on you - unless they are holding out on the big announcement that there are (wait for it......) NO NEW INSTANCES!

Each xpac gives less and less and we end up paying more for less. Where are the bullet points convincing people to buy this product? Where is the appeal? This is the worst marketed expansion in LOTRO's history. Why? They have nothing to sell other than the new region(s), 10 levels and (probably broken) "Dragon" you already know about.

If there was more, don't you think you'd know about it? Yes you would.
Amazing...the way people want so badly to make a #### shine like gold.

Did anyone read the post 30 pages back from the guy who talked to a dev who confirmed there are no new instances in RoI other than the Dragon? So then you obviously have to ask yourself, "I wonder if that means there will be any new instances?" Uhhr....

Denial. It's apparently what's for dinner.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but really folks. Really.
You don't offer pre-order for something and leave main selling points out of it.
You don't wait until 5 weeks before a release to tell people why they should buy it.
They already told you...

[Southpa]

Um...scroll up about 4 posts before yours...

Sure, so the 30 pages of people bellyaching about it are irrelevant then... K.
"In the works"...wish I could use that when someone wanted something from me "now".

[Stephen1981]

While Isengard itself will not launch with any instances, it does not mean that there isn't an instance cluster in the works...

I can't say any more than that, but I think some of you will find some good news in the thread linked above.

this all makes the price point of 30 dollars for the basic version not seem worth it i guess this is why i did not pre-order but to me a xpac should have instances and if these things cannot be met maybe you should delay tell the end of the year when the instances can go into the xpac and release everything at once

[NameAlreadyTaken]

While Isengard itself will not launch with any instances, it does not mean that there isn't an instance cluster in the works...

I can't say any more than that, but I think some of you will find some good news in the thread linked above.

Thank you for the link. Unfortunately Soon™ isn't going to make a lot of people very happy with regards to instances. Seeing Sapience say that there's currently no specific plans for a new PvP zone when it was explicitly promised in the RoI press release is an even bigger let down.

[ANewMachine]

Even the confirmation that an instance cluster is on the way leaves me a bit cold. Originally, the raid was supposed to be a part of the update after OD got added. Then it got pushed back to Isengard. Now it's been pushed back again, along with all other end-game instances and scaling. I gotta say, with that record, I'm not too confident in Turbine being able to launch the cluster before Christmas, and even then, it could be another disappointing cluster like the Loth or DG clusters (both of which were 2x3man 1x6man 1x12man), rather than the rather large and varied Moria cluster. I'd love to be surprised, but I'm prepared to be disappointed.

BTW, can anyone remember a time when an MMO raised the level cap, and had no instanced group content at the new level cap? Because I can't.

[Stadic]

this all makes the price point of 30 dollars for the basic version not seem worth it i guess this is why i did not pre-order but to me a xpac should have instances and if these things cannot be met maybe you should delay tell the end of the year when the instances can go into the xpac and release everything at once

I don't understand why a Nov/Dec Xpac including instance cluster is preferable to a Sep Xpac release with a Nov/Dec instance cluster.

Both have you in instances at the same time, but the early Xpac release at least comes months sooner, lets you level, see class changes, build virtues, etc.

I'm not saying I'm pleased it isn't going to contain instances. I'm just saying, of the above two options, I'll never understand the push for the former.

[Arbalister]

BTW, can anyone remember a time when an MMO raised the level cap, and had no instanced group content at the new level cap? Because I can't.

You still can't - they have instanced group content at the new level cap. The 24 man raid.

[Stephen1981]

You still can't - they have instanced group content at the new level cap. The 24 man raid.

please you have a lockout of once a week once you kill after that its run GB, school/lib, annuminas scaled to 75 tell your eyes bleed

[Sexxy]

So, is it still doom and gloom? Wonder how the usual suspects will spin this now.

My bigger concern is NO confirmation that the new instances coming "soon" will not have a price tag on them and thrown into the store.

I'm sure that concern will be labeled "doom and gloom" by the sunshine brigade, but it looks like an even money bet at this point.

I am growing to despise the F2P move and its overall effect its had on the game.

[Lowj]

While Isengard itself will not launch with any instances, it does not mean that there isn't an instance cluster in the works...

I can't say any more than that, but I think some of you will find some good news in the thread linked above.

I approve this post

[Stephen1981]

I approve this post

i can't approve what he put they keep having to delay stuff which keeps making it bad on themselfs like the dragon raid suppose to be release back in april