Come Follow me!!! We can change the fighting!

[ben4patriots]

As far as the fighting goes. I will not claim to be the most aggressive leader ever. Nor the best leader. What I do provide is plenty of laughs. Talking way to fast that I butcher 90% of the creeps names. But What I will say is being outnumbered sucks. But there are some things we can do as freeps that we do not do often enough.

When I do lead I move around alot if we can't get kills on the current creeps. I keep us mounted and keep us moving. Most of the time the creeps are not all grouped. There may be a SS group, a BB group, few tribe groups, and a PUG. So the thing that I want to do is seperate these groups. By sticking to GV I cannot do this. Creeps use OOC extremely well. Creep logs in and asks and maps to GV. So now regardless of 5 groups they are in one mass. So what I try to do is move around. So then maybe the SS group checks lugs and we hit them at map spot. Then they call in OOC and I have the raid horsed and leaving. So creeps map in and we are gone.... They split again to find us and we hit a group at Aurochs and then I horse and move. Then HH and out. Then we swing back up and flank or backside the creeps at TR/GV. In doing this we succesfully turned the fight to superior freep numbers even though we are still outnumbered. I joke all the time in game voice when we roll up on 1 solo creep or small group. Yelling like a madman to focus fire when there is one creep and quick kill him before heals come and "how many freeps does it take to kill 1 reaver"?.

No plan is perfect and many times I over stay my welcome. Get a few kills then someone maps in and I get greedy and that was 1 creep to many. Other times someone stay back or is slow when I am telling them to get out. So we slow down and it costs us. But in the end it usually turns into some fun fights or fights where we can even the playing field around the map. Even when we overstay or it turns into something bigger we usually still come out very good. We kill a bunch and then the second wave comes in and we kill them and usually midway through second wave or after then all the creeps come back and we have the hoarde against us. But we were able to wipe a few individual groups until all of them showed up or got on the same page at least.

So the things us as freeps can do:

1) Move around ALOT. Make them burn those map cooldowns and make them get frustrated as they map somewhere and no freeps to be found only to see in OOC we are somewhere else. Eventually they will stop mapping in to every place.

2) divide and conquer. They are all not raided up. split these groups up somehow. Kind of blends with point 1. But even fighting in a spot like TR it is rare but you can split them. Make them decide to kill outside or inside. and when they have half and half use it against them and hit them hard in one spot.

3) group up! I have ranked various ways. When I first began coming to the moors there was no red line etc. But there also was no Diminishing returns. Solo and small groups with Oisal and Andalusia were OP. I could run into 3 creeps solo and easily take them as 2 stayed perma locked. I raided for some ranks and went back to solo for some ranks. Current state of the moors does not benefit solo nearly as much as past. Creeps usually are with 1 or more now. Farming for maps is no longer a must with many store bought items and skills. ****Being solo around the group is not solo. that is a leacher. Now I am not saying there is anything wrong with that. but do not believe you are soloing is my point. And if you do this then do not complain about GV camping etc. It is a product of the things going on****

^^^ again I wanna point out. I am not against leaching. to each there own. Just stating it is not soloing and it has a direct relation to stationary fighting. I leach often. Gust of wind,cracked earth etc.

4) Get out of Solo/Selfish mentality when you do group. I am a Lore-master I have SI,Wound Removals, stealth detect, debuffs and tar among other things. USE THEM!!! When I run solo or when I leach I want KB's and i want Stuns to prosper. In the raid I was calling targets for saturday I was yelling "i don't like any of you and I don't care what you have to say. I just need you for rank 12 so focus my F****** target". of course all in fun.

But I give instuctions on things I do not seen done often enough in groups. hunters and Minny's have a fear. I am constantly yelling to fear S***. I tell everyone just tab and fear something I don't care what. I tried marking healers and assaigning a raid member to fear and harrass that healer. But with constant people in and out and a PUG that doesnt work. so i swapped to just fear something. But my job when I call targets is to CC and slow the &&&& out of a target and you all blow it up. KB's do not stack up in raids for me on a Lore-master. People need to realize in a raid if we are losing that is not the time to hold off your big hit for that KB on someone. Just BLAST the fool. To many people do not use what they can to help the raid survive and to many save that big hit for when they are low to ninja a KB. problem is they never get hit with burst and time for healers to find them and heal them.

5) Step up to the plate. I am not the best player to play a Lore-master and you will never see me claim that. Current state 1 vs 1 I am not close to what I have been in the past or where I wanna be. I am not a HUGE fan of scheduled 1 vs 1's. I like running in and if i get the jump cool and if the creep does then cool. Unfortunately it does not happen to often anymore so since I came back I really have not had the chance. The few times I have I am still getting used to the changes to creeps mostly. heck I just learned my tar can play no effect on a reaver for 8 seconds now. That screwed my entire old strat against reavers :P.

But the point is. One day I decided to try and lead a group. Had a few friends and we grouped. We then got overwhelmed and I am never a fan of people complaining about the problem and well I didn't like the situation. So I stepped up and made a raid. Very few people would join at first as nobody knew me. with time came more people and soon I had people sending me tells If i was leading etc.

Point being is if you don't like it. Then change it. Step up and lead. If it fails it fails. &&&& happens and you will get better and people will trust you more. Grab the reigns and run with that. We are like sheep we just need a shepard....Will you be our Shepard? lol

[ben4patriots]

Again sue me if you do not like my spelling/writing. I don't get paid for that.

Sadly I am not out in the Moors as much as I want to be currently. Gearing the &&&& out of my guard currently. Getting ready for the new raid etc. . But I do have some experience out there. We need more out of the freeps. Regardless of why. Whether you think the freeps just are not good, Creeps are OP and EZ Mode, Turbine hates wardens, or most freeps are drunk. Bottom line is we need to be better to turn some of these fights. Alot of freeps complaining about what happens. It takes alot of freeps to change it.

[Olorinistari]

When I do lead I move around alot if we can't get kills on the current creeps. I keep us mounted and keep us moving. Most of the time the creeps are not all grouped. There may be a SS group, a BB group, few tribe groups, and a PUG. So the thing that I want to do is seperate these groups. By sticking to GV I cannot do this. Creeps use OOC extremely well.

Absolutely right, you've been leading the best raids in weeks and given the best action, keep it up!

****Being solo around the group is not solo. that is a leacher. Now I am not saying there is anything wrong with that. but do not believe you are soloing is my point.

4) Get out of Solo/Selfish mentality .

Turbine has done a fine job of trying to make the Moors a TEAM oriented area. It is much harder to truly solo (because grouping is catching on more and more) on either side now and 'soloing' near a group is NOT soloing at all. Group up and be effective, solo and be zerged. The open tapping feature has removed most of the incentive to solo and rewards grouping quite nicely. Creeps are grouping more and more and I see Freeps slowly coming around as well. It's a tough nut to crack though. Soloing in the Moors was and is the ultimate ego stroke and it's addictive, but if you really want to speed up your ranking in ROR (and I think we all do, especially with the new Freep rank rewards coming soon)...well, grouping is the name of the game.

[Gladgilrian]

Wow, huge wall o' text that I won't read, but yeah Stuns always makes it interesting.

[87_Suited]

Good Thread Title.

[Leksi]

Wow, a Loremaster who doesn't want to be the DPS hero of the moors. That's rare. I didn't realise people played their classes in an effective team environment anymore. Nice to know that some still do. My mind would totally be blown if someone told me minis heal too.

[Aramidis]

I eco in the words of Spidey.
I have to thank Stuns and Wisdom, they are the ones making Moors fun again freepside. Most of us without that much experience wouldn't know how creeps would react to different tactics like they do. You have a suicidal Cappy here if you need me.

[22Acacia]

****Being solo around the group is not solo. that is a leacher.

I know you said you have no issue with it but you made this statement regardless. I'm sure it can be leeching, if a player for instance is just following around your raid without being in group. But I can assure you it isn't always so. When you're out there doing your run and gun thing, you're dragging creeps all over the place and it creates a nightmare for any freep that wants to play solo. Even more so because they get a little butthurt when you blow a few up and run. And then, there is the inevitable sustained fight at a keep or something (door farm, etc.) where there is basically nothing else in the moors to do. What do you expect in this situation? For solo freeps to stand off to the side and pew pew?

So in the end, whether you mean to or not, what you're saying is either join the raid or leave the moors. And on one final note: I guarantee there is a lot more leeching going on in your raid at any given time than the trickle of renown the poor soloer is getting.

[ben4patriots]

I know you said you have no issue with it but you made this statement regardless. I'm sure it can be leeching, if a player for instance is just following around your raid without being in group. But I can assure you it isn't always so. When you're out there doing your run and gun thing, you're dragging creeps all over the place and it creates a nightmare for any freep that wants to play solo. Even more so because they get a little butthurt when you blow a few up and run. And then, there is the inevitable sustained fight at a keep or something (door farm, etc.) where there is basically nothing else in the moors to do. What do you expect in this situation? For solo freeps to stand off to the side and pew pew?

So in the end, whether you mean to or not, what you're saying is either join the raid or leave the moors. And on one final note: I guarantee there is a lot more leeching going on in your raid at any given time than the trickle of renown the poor soloer is getting.

I know I put a giant wall of text. I do not expect everyone to read the whole thing. But i did not mean that in a negative light. I continue on to say that many times I do not feel like leading or being in a group and I do the leaching thing myself. So In no way am I saying join the raid or leave the Moors. I specificly said it myself that I do exactly that at times. In no way am i telling myself to leave the Moors. The only days I personally ever lead a raid is saturdays currently. Still 6 days in the week.

My point was simple. If it is a stare fest etc and most are solo then you shouldn't complain about the stare fest. Without coordination it is very rare that the fight will be anything more then just what it is. a GV camp or stare fest somewhere else. The Moors fighting is a product of what we as the players (freep and creep) make it out to be. My point was not to leave the Moors my point was if you solo then do not complain about what the "masses" are doing. You are choosing not to be a part of it which is fine. Like I said i choose not to be many times and in turn I just follow what is happening.

I am not saying YOU. But you get many complaints by people over where the fight is going or they hate this stare fest and yelling for is (freeps) to push. My point is those people telling others to push that are not joining have no room to speak. If you want to push then push but do not expect the "masses" to do it when you yourself (not you specificly) are in a solo mentallity and wanting the masses to push so you can benefit from it.

As far as solo = leaching. There is always a exception to the rule. There will always be some out there still being the lone ranger. But I am sorry the majority of the soloers are leachers. And again that is not said offensive as i do it. But a captain or Minny running around and heal tagging everyone so they get renown. Rain of arrows or gust of wind from a hunter and Lore-master. That is happening alot more then what you are discussing. what you are refering to is the minority of the soloers out there.

So I would beg to differ that there is more leaching going on in the raid. Far more leaching going on when I am just tagging everything so whoever the raid focus fires i get renown for. My point is when I am doing that. I have no room to whine or complain that they are not doing XY and Z. If you wanna solo go balls to the wall. I can care less. But you have no leg to stand on to complain that the raid is not doing something you think they should do.

[22Acacia]

But you have no leg to stand on to complain that the raid is not doing something you think they should do.

Never have I ever complained about this. Indeed, in my long history on the server it has always been quite the opposite.

[ben4patriots]

Never have I ever complained about this. Indeed, in my long history on the server it has always been quite the opposite.

Which Is why I said not YOU specificaly. Not everyone is going to fit into the category I am talking about. I am refering to the ones who do. You have always been someone who just does there thing.

[22Acacia]

You have always been someone who just does there thing.

You don't ever want to see me do my thing. Seriously.

[vhamster]

You don't ever want to see me do my thing. Seriously.

Would that be at Sailors?