Update 18.2 Beta #1 Release Notes & Known Issues - PRELIMINARY AND NON-FINAL - BULLROARER ONLY

[Oelle]

The problem is, for those groups that haven't yet figured out how to complete the challenge (tactics, as well as dps), it means that each time they want to try to complete the challenge, they need to run the entire instance first, and for a slightly less capable group, that takes time.

If you've reached the boss after an hour or so (factoring in maybe a wipe or two), and then, on the first attempt at the last boss, you just about get to the Mardil/Voronwe stage, but wipe because extra mobs lead to aggro issues, or an increase in damage that a less competent healer can't deal with, or whatever, then you've lost all chance at succeeding at the challenge that night. The good thing about challenges in the past is that, if you failed them, you would happily expend lots of energy to find a set up or a tactic that night to beat it, and if you didn't manage it, at least you'd made some progress. However, having only one shot at this challenge, likely with slightly different groups each time (even for a kin run), means that seriously limited progress can be made.

Therefore, please make the challenge reset on any failed attempt at the last boss fight, regardless of whether the group fails during the challenge phase or not. We're not asking you to make the fight easier, just to give us more chances to get it right.

if i were in a situation, where i fail the challenge because something goes wrong which is not just missing dps, i would train that in t1.
the fight is nearly the same in t1, just with the enemies hitting less hard. one can trait for t2c there, if one just wants. and its much faster.
just remember, that in t1 mobs have morale/2.5 and less mitigations. so... if you can kill mardil and voronwe in t1 in less than a third of the time and not get hit by ghosts or powerleeched, you might have trained enough for t2c and need much less time for this training.
obviously, you cant train for t2c, if you ignore all mechanics in t1, which you can do... but they are still there. if you want to use t1 to train, it can be done.
and if you just want to train for t2c, you can just make a timer for your own. just let a countdown with 2min start when they show up and wipe before killing the boss. you will not get the challenge loot, but its still challenge training. and you can do it as often as you want. if you did it often enough so that you are kind of sure that you know what to do, it should work in the next runs.

If the challenge resets whenever it fails, there is not really a way to fail it. if it cannot fail because you restart every time it fails, there is no reason to have the challenge at all. there should be a point where it finally fails and does not reset. imo, this should be the case for all challenge quests.

Why exactly do the rks need a nerd buddy? I don't play one but front what I have seen they don't seem over powered.

because RK is the easiest dps class and does the highest dps. and not only hunter+10%, but more like hunter+100%. its just too much over the top.

I could write a wall of text, but the conclusion will be the same: you're an idiot

now im really interested in your wall of text. what makes me an idiot? that i can do nice things with my burglar and like the class? or that i'd like to have failed challenges possible?
i never said, that burglar is the best class or in a nice spot. it needs some buffs, for sure. but its not a bad class by default, it has its uses and can do nice things.

Maybe I missed something, but what will be the purpose of doing the challenge then ?

getting the challenge chest. just like before the implementation of featured instances

15 new legacy tiers?! More than a 33% increase right there... Ouch. Don't you think this is a bit much?

i agree, this is much. not really a problem to farm those as with featured instances empscrolls already start to be gifted in /world...
but still, its really much and will not be good for balancing, it will just increase the actual balancing problems as some classes (rk/minstrel/warden) have stronger new dps legacies since imbuement than other classes.