Cross healing

[Endoloose]

Just recently started healing in raids on My Minstrel (OD and Throne), and a couple of days ago i was in Abyss for the first time. Unlike in a 6 man instance you don't heal your entire fellowship, and usually each Group has a healer. I've been healing people in the other Group, by targetting individuals that needed heal and thus helping out the other healer, when i wasn't too busy.

Now to my question. For the 1. Boss fight in Abyss i was told to heal the other Groups Tank, while their healer was healing mine. It's been nagging me for days now, and i really can't see the idea to heal on the other groups tank (well if their tank is about to die, ofc i'll help out).

Which heal skill will add a great more healing by both healers switch to other Groups tank ?

Is there a mechanic in this fight which benefit from this switch of heal target ?

[Thorebane]

I'll answer this.

So basically a usual setup will have a tank in each group and a healer in each group. For ease of things we'll say two minstrels as the healers.

We have group 1 and group 2.

If the mini from group one cross heals the tank in group two, not only is that tank getting your heals, the rest of group one is getting your AoE heal from bolster courage.

It's just conserving time having to swap around.

Although yesterday I think I became the first person to ever solo heal Boss 1 T2C :| I'd not recommend however. haha. EDIT - I actually meant a month ago...not "yesterday" zzz

[Kasius]

I'll answer this.

So basically a usual setup will have a tank in each group and a healer in each group. For ease of things we'll say two minstrels as the healers.

We have group 1 and group 2.

If the mini from group one cross heals the tank in group two, not only is that tank getting your heals, the rest of group one is getting your AoE heal from bolster courage.

It's just conserving time having to swap around.

Although yesterday I think I became the first person to ever solo heal Boss 1 T2C :| I'd not recommend however. haha.

Nw few kins did that before and it’s nothing super special.
Shows aswell that 6mannig boss 1 is possible.

[Kander]

I'll answer this.

So basically a usual setup will have a tank in each group and a healer in each group. For ease of things we'll say two minstrels as the healers.

We have group 1 and group 2.

If the mini from group one cross heals the tank in group two, not only is that tank getting your heals, the rest of group one is getting your AoE heal from bolster courage.

It's just conserving time having to swap around.

Although yesterday I think I became the first person to ever solo heal Boss 1 T2C :| I'd not recommend however. haha.

What I think he meant is that they have 1 tank on each group, mini in group 1 heals tank in group 2 and mini in group 2 heals tank in group 1, which in my opinion is pointless, since TS is only FS wide.

[elzeqq]

I'll answer this.

So basically a usual setup will have a tank in each group and a healer in each group. For ease of things we'll say two minstrels as the healers.

We have group 1 and group 2.

If the mini from group one cross heals the tank in group two, not only is that tank getting your heals, the rest of group one is getting your AoE heal from bolster courage.

It's just conserving time having to swap around.

Although yesterday I think I became the first person to ever solo heal Boss 1 T2C :| I'd not recommend however. haha.

Stop trying to boost your ego on forums all the time lol. Healing boss 1 alone is nothing special and nothing hard, most of kins on arkenstone including mine, are doing the raid this way and not just boss 1, but whole AoM.

[Rialtan]

I dont see any point using crossheals in that way.

Usually the one who cross heal is the dps group mini (dps should be able to keep themselves alive with rev mark) to help other mini and main tank.

Anyways it always depends on the boss, tactic and group composition...but in general id say the tactic you described makes no sense to me (both minis cross healing other group tank).

[Kander]

I dont see any point using crossheals in that way.

Usually the one who cross heal is the dps group mini (dps should be able to keep themselves alive with rev mark) to help other mini and main tank.

Anyways it always depends on the boss, tactic and group composition...but in general id say the tactic you described makes no sense to me (both minis cross healing other group tank).

The only point it would make is maybe some kind of exploit, or unintended mechanic that heals the other group's tank more than it should.

[Hejazia.Arkenstone]

I'll answer this.

So basically a usual setup will have a tank in each group and a healer in each group. For ease of things we'll say two minstrels as the healers.

We have group 1 and group 2.

If the mini from group one cross heals the tank in group two, not only is that tank getting your heals, the rest of group one is getting your AoE heal from bolster courage.

It's just conserving time having to swap around.

Although yesterday I think I became the first person to ever solo heal Boss 1 T2C :| I'd not recommend however. haha.

I'll just put this here.

[Endoloose]

I dont see any point using crossheals in that way.

Usually the one who cross heal is the dps group mini (dps should be able to keep themselves alive with rev mark) to help other mini and main tank.

Anyways it always depends on the boss, tactic and group composition...but in general id say the tactic you described makes no sense to me (both minis cross healing other group tank).

Hehe, that was my thought too, makes no sense.. But as post by Kander say, maybe there's something i didn't notice . I'll keep an eye on heals going to tank in other group, if i ever come in same situation again

Thx to everyone answering.

[Gertes]

I'll just put this here.

Did you killed the adds afterward, or the "intended" way.
It's not meant in a bad way (doing is with 6man is still hard), I'm just don´t think it is possible to get this in time when the bosses get healed.

[Kasius]

Did you killed the adds afterward, or the "intended" way.
It's not meant in a bad way (doing is with 6man is still hard), I'm just don´t think it is possible to get this in time when the bosses get healed.

its possible even with heals(you can get healdebuff on all 6 heals tho)

[Hejazia.Arkenstone]

Did you killed the adds afterward, or the "intended" way.
It's not meant in a bad way (doing is with 6man is still hard), I'm just don´t think it is possible to get this in time when the bosses get healed.

Captain can just spam Grave Wound, it's not that big of a deal TBH.

[Gertes]

Ok, thats weird, our heal debuff (also from cappy and rk) is just working like 1out of 4 times.

[siipperi]

Nice poison pool.

[Rialtan]

its possible even with heals(you can get healdebuff on all 6 heals tho)

Untill i dont see a full video of that i wont believe is doable 6 man without exploits.

There is no CA nor a timer or a chat to check the killing order. There is a poison pool on the ground (with 2 dps is impossibile to kill spider and then last main boss and still having puddle on the ground).

Is clear they killed both main bosses at start, bugged the spider on the wall and then killed minibosses without any fear of the enrage.

Now, i can understand you wanna act like Pros but show it is just silly

[Laubgaenger]

Do you Egobooster really need to take over every topic?

[Gertes]

Ok, i don´t know why like every post gets toxic, but from what I have noticed you don´t get "Challenge Complete" on your screen if you kill the bosses before the adds. So it seems like a legit kill.

[Kasius]

Untill i dont see a full video of that i wont believe is doable 6 man without exploits.

There is no CA nor a timer or a chat to check the killing order. There is a poison pool on the ground (with 2 dps is impossibile to kill spider and then last main boss and still having puddle on the ground).

Is clear they killed both main bosses at start, bugged the spider on the wall and then killed minibosses without any fear of the enrage.

Now, i can understand you wanna act like Pros but show it is just silly

If you kill them the order you described challenge will fail and you get t2.
Idk about the poison puddle....

What i can say:after doing the calculation and everything it is possible.Even if you go like 0-30sec into enrage.
We didnt did it so far but i am 100% sure ist possible.

[Hejazia.Arkenstone]

Untill i dont see a full video of that i wont believe is doable 6 man without exploits.

There is no CA nor a timer or a chat to check the killing order. There is a poison pool on the ground (with 2 dps is impossibile to kill spider and then last main boss and still having puddle on the ground).

Is clear they killed both main bosses at start, bugged the spider on the wall and then killed minibosses without any fear of the enrage.

Now, i can understand you wanna act like Pros but show it is just silly

There is no need to throw such accusations, especially when there are videos of you like this out there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XqJxXoVe6E&t=2m6s

It's okay if you are jealous but instead try to accomplish the same feat yourself instead of making excuses that do not even make sense.

[Rialtan]

There is no need to throw such accusations, especially when there are videos of you like this out there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XqJxXoVe6E&t=2m6s

It's okay if you are jealous but instead try to accomplish the same feat yourself instead of making excuses that do not even make sense.

Ahaha what about that video?

I just stopped attacking that warg cause another player joined the fight.

Im a soloer and if someone joins or heals me i wont zerg. I also tried to kill my self jumping from the bridge rotfl

Try again.

[Asmodean_nz]

Just stumbled across this thread, so if the following has been said before, I apologise.

For what it's worth here is my opinion.

Cross-healing tanks does make a lot of sense, because it increases the heals on both tanks. If you heal the tank on your own side with BC he gets the direct heal plus the Fellowship wide heal. Often, the first heal will max out morale on the tank and the second heal is effectively wasted. By healing the tank on the other side, your tank still benefits from the second heal.

Of course, if both minis are perfectly synchronised this benefit is negated, but this is unlikely. Therefore cross healing effectively keeps heals on tanks "ticking over".

Hope this makes sense.

[dselden]

Just stumbled across this thread, so if the following has been said before, I apologise.

For what it's worth here is my opinion.

Cross-healing tanks does make a lot of sense, because it increases the heals on both tanks. If you heal the tank on your own side with BC he gets the direct heal plus the Fellowship wide heal. Often, the first heal will max out morale on the tank and the second heal is effectively wasted. By healing the tank on the other side, your tank still benefits from the second heal.

Of course, if both minis are perfectly synchronised this benefit is negated, but this is unlikely. Therefore cross healing effectively keeps heals on tanks "ticking over".

Hope this makes sense.

Why would you have tanks in separate groups to start with? That makes no sense.

[Asmodean_nz]

Why would you have tanks in separate groups to start with? That makes no sense.

Depends on how much/if at all your DPS/Support Classes need heals. If they are self-sufficient, then, yes, tanks and healers in one group is the better strat. If they are not, letting them die kinda sucks.

For example, I would rather not leave the LM and Burg with off-heals only in Abyss trash pulls, since if they die, and mezzes drop, healers get zerged. Whereas at the boss(es), cross healing them should be fine.

[Thorebane]

Untill i dont see a full video of that i wont believe is doable 6 man without exploits.

There is no CA nor a timer or a chat to check the killing order. There is a poison pool on the ground (with 2 dps is impossibile to kill spider and then last main boss and still having puddle on the ground).

Is clear they killed both main bosses at start, bugged the spider on the wall and then killed minibosses without any fear of the enrage.

Now, i can understand you wanna act like Pros but show it is just silly

Funny thing is, I popped onto the server where the guy is from, asked one of the players for the date they did it. The date was before SSG changed it so I agree it was not a legit way considering all the things you've linked here ! + considering there's not a single 6 man video on youtube, futher makes the statement (unless I'm completely blind, in which case, my bad <3 )