Clarification on new stats

I'm currently a bit confused as to how defence / mitigations work in RoI, and was wondering if someone with Beta access or a dev could clarify how these work.

Specifically, lets take an example. Let's say I get hit by a ranged fire attack. At present, my understanding is that the damage I would receive would be:

Damage received = Base damage * (1 - Fire mitigation) * (1 - Ranged defence)

With the stat consolidation, I understand that fire mitigation now sits under the more general category of tactical mitigation. However, I have also heard that ranged defence is gone and now fits under physical mitigation. So, my questions are:

1) Do the defence ratings (as opposed to mitigation ratings) still exist?
2) If not, have melee/ranged defence been consolidated into physical mitigation?
3) If 2 is the case, what would happen in my above scenario, would damage be mitigated by physical or tactical mitigation?

I hope these screenies can help with your questions.

These first two show all the ratings of my lvl 75 Guardian

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...nShot00000.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...nShot00001.jpg

The next two show his mitigation tooltip values with the ratings he has.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...nShot00002.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...nShot00003.jpg

To Be Continued ...

And lastly what his Finesse rating does as a percentage.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...nShot00004.jpg

Thanks a lot for all the info! It looks from that as though the defence ratings remain unchanged, although it looks like it's a lot harder to build them up now, with the virtues which previously gave defence ratings now giving mitigations instead.

lmao 64 % common defence 51 % fire/shadow/acid defence. Tank in solo will be near impossible to solo ^^ and add 12k morale unbuffed haha.

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Originally Posted by Hinia

lmao 64 % common defence 51 % fire/shadow/acid defence. Tank in solo will be near impossible to solo ^^ and add 12k morale unbuffed haha.

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Huh?

Do you mean playing a guard solo will be impossible or that fighting a guard in pvp solo will be impossible?

Oh and as a note.

His armour is the lvl 75 Ettens armour with only the helm and gloves being 65 helegrod pieces.
Shield is rank 9 ettens shield (lvl 75)
Both rings are ettens rings as well.

I don't know. On one hand I don't like the dumbing down of the stats in this game, and havign 2 or 3 main stats being practically meaningless for each class. On the other hand I like the possibilities this creates. 11,000 morale with 1,2000 vit and 900 str. Buffing out your important stats will be much easier now. Mixed feelings though. A lot of the gear now looks the same too, much less variety.

Thanks for the screencaps, Tainted_Black!

Very interesting numbers here. :)

one thing i am curious about is melee/ranged/tactical defence.

the screenshots imply that those stats are still ingame, yet none of the virtues (nor any item Ive seen so far) seem to boost them. so how do you increase those?

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Originally Posted by Zento

one thing i am curious about is melee/ranged/tactical defence.

the screenshots imply that those stats are still ingame, yet none of the virtues (nor any item Ive seen so far) seem to boost them. so how do you increase those?

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Relics? Perhaps some unique items we haven't seen yet?

Also class items / LI titles have contributed to these in the past.

How high "must" our primary stat(s) now be?

Is 650 might on a lvl 65 champ equal to 750 on a lv 75, or do the value need to be proportionally higher?

ehm 1,227 vitality ? is that a bug or am i missing something here ?

Holy morale batman. What's the vitality on the armor at 75, usually OP? That's a lot of vitality you have there. I'm looking forward to this!

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Holy morale batman. What's the vitality on the armor at 75, usually OP? That's a lot of vitality you have there. I'm looking forward to this!

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Every single piece of the new guard sets give you an additional 80+ vitality on top of whatever you had - each piece has like, +120 vit.

You get around 750 vit just for wearing the armour. Relics/traits/jewelery all can add more.

oh wait the cap is removed right ?

Ettenmoors shield? Is it actually useful in ettenmoors as opposed to OP?

Is critical chance based off the primary attribute (might, agility, or will) or still off agility and fate?

There was a champion that posted a picture with 1,680 might. Turbine is giving us a lot of stats. I am glad i didn't buy these stat tomes. They seem worthless now.

How did you get 9000 Tactical Defence? I heard that 1 Vitality = 1 Tactical Defence, so you have 1200. If you slot all the traits that add it you should get 1000~, more 1000~ for the armour bonus/jewellery... Its about 3000, but how did you get 9000?

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Originally Posted by Cesinha

How did you get 9000 Tactical Defence? I heard that 1 Vitality = 1 Tactical Defence, so you have 1200. If you slot all the traits that add it you should get 1000~, more 1000~ for the armour bonus/jewellery... Its about 3000, but how did you get 9000?

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armour contributes to physical/tactical mitigation aswell.

Disappointed.

He obviously stacked Vit hard, and only ends up at 1.2k? With next-highest being in the 500s?

RUBBISH.

My LEVEL 65 Loremaster - NO will/fate legacies on either of my LIs:
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/1...4037937516207/

And I don't even have Thol-Ernil (hat from BG Twins), if I did I would already be pushin 1k Will.

GG RoI. Pathetic.

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Originally Posted by k3nn3th

Disappointed.

He obviously stacked Vit hard, and only ends up at 1.2k? With next-highest being in the 500s?

RUBBISH.

My LEVEL 65 Loremaster - NO will/fate legacies on either of my LIs:
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/1...4037937516207/

And I don't even have Thol-Ernil (hat from BG Twins), if I did I would already be pushin 1k Will.

GG RoI. Pathetic.

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May I point out that he's in the EYES AND GUARDS taverns and is most likely waring tavern-granted equipment, which is by no means the best equipment in the game?

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Originally Posted by Golledhel

May I point out that he's in the EYES AND GUARDS taverns and is most likely waring tavern-granted equipment, which is by no means the best equipment in the game?

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Hmm. Maybe.

"EYES AND GUARDS" doesn't really tell someone who isn't a part of beta anything.

Perhaps if you know, since the NDA is down, you can clarify.

If not, you're clueless too.

I've seen a (post-RoI) mini shot - something like 1,026 Will.

Mayyybe, you can find a screenie of someone with a stat higher?

It's the tavern that allows players to auto-level up their chars and stuff.

And yeah
Champ with 1678 Might. According to the guy, unbuffed.
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/...hot00209-1.jpg