Defilers completely useless now?

Please,Turbine: adjust the defiler skills as soon as possible -
I know your priorities are not on monsterplay (especially not on creep-only players) but the defiler as it is now is almost entirely useless.
The heal is ridiculous compared with the total amount of morale the average monster has now. The debuffs are even worse (they already were obsolete before the update)..

And a little work on the creeps' racial traits would be very welcome, too. For example: an in-fight morale or power regeneration of 200-300 is.. well.. not really worth talking about ;)

I do not even start about the damage of fireblood or the defiler's (so called) damage skills - but please give us some decent heal and debuff possibilites again. Thank you!

I think the heal about is not boosted to where it needs to be is the problem. The buff to morale came AFTER the buff to damage and healing. So there needs to be a bump to healing is all

I played through the entire beta, and the average creeps morale was about 25k.(WLs could get 40k) Has it been increased any further than this? I haven't logged in to see yet.

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Originally Posted by angrolas

I played through the entire beta, and the average creeps morale was about 25k.(WLs could get 40k) Has it been increased any further than this? I haven't logged in to see yet.

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Yes, a lot more. My warg is around 48k at the moment with two morale corrs in. Unfortunately, creep healing hasn't been scaled, so if we're being hit for 30k+ from hunters then I don't think these heals are going to cut it. But obviously there hasn't been any freeps around to test it yet, so...*shrug* ;)

Seen several high rank WLs and Defilers at 70k+ morale.

R11 WL with the 4 Hf* traited is 73k.

Healing has not been boosted at all from what i see, mind you nor has npcs, they all hit as the did pre HD.

Should reduce their moral by 50k, make their heals seem to have more of an impact...

Yes as I said before....

creep damage/healing/morale had its 30%ish increase during beta to go from 85 to 95. After beta closed, morale was buffed again to close the gap between freep damage and creeps. However, healing was not boosted to compensate for the larger pool. same goes for pets and NPCs.

wargs are in the 40K range, spiders 50K, reavers 60K, WLs 70K, BAs look to be in the 50s, and def anywhere from mid 60s to in the 70s.

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Originally Posted by Delmore

....wargs are in the 40K range, spiders 50K, reavers 60K, WLs 70K, BAs look to be in the 50s, and def anywhere from mid 60s to in the 70s.

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You sure about those numbers for Defilers? I'm only at 54.5k without any of the Health, Power, or Damage Corruptions slotted. Are you talking above R12?

seeing my big heal (cant remember name) go for 4.5k non crit? isnt that as much as back at 75? And what about blight did they buff the dmg of that skill?

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Originally Posted by angrolas

I played through the entire beta, and the average creeps morale was about 25k.(WLs could get 40k) Has it been increased any further than this? I haven't logged in to see yet.

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Nubcat said,

"Yes, a lot more. My warg is around 48k at the moment with two morale corrs in. Unfortunately, creep healing hasn't been scaled, so if we're being hit for 30k+ from hunters then I don't think these heals are going to cut it. But obviously there hasn't been any freeps around to test it yet, so...*shrug* "

MisterSushi's thought...

Seeing as they added NOTHING to freepside in the way of PvMP gear (Not even a stat boost or uplevel option), don't think you'll see many out. No reason to go to the Ettenmoors at all anymore. No reason to play as a creep either without players to fight. Wish I hadn't wasted money on Helmsdeep at this point. If I wasn't a lifer, I'd be playing something else for sure and not even trying to find a way to PvMP again.

I am forced to quit the moors until they fix this. My defiler is my main character, and usually can do a crit heal for up to 12k (which was alot in RoR). But now my comrade's and my max morale have doubled. 12k will not make a dent.

I thought that with the update today, they would have fixed it since there are already freeps that have leveled up. But it's still the same. Even when I first log in and am missing a chunk of my morale, it takes awhile to regenerate it.

Looks like the moors will have to find a way to make it without a monster healing class until they fix this (if they ever do).

What a surprise.

Even if there is a "Creep Update" in the near future, Defilers will no doubt still get the short end of the stick (pun intended).

So...I'm not sure Defilers have gotten the short end of the stick right now. I'm not saying that we don't need some freshening up of our skills and updates to our Curse effectiveness, but I just went 10 minutes with a level 95, a Rank 10 RuneKeeper, and two (maybe three towards the end) Coldfell Hunters and I lasted far longer and was more effective than I would have before the update. In fact, I probably would have won if I had focused on the NPCs first and taken them out of the picture. The biggest challenge was the near constant induction interrupts from the RK and the NPCs. And also that the RK backed up into one shotter range at GV at 1k morale and got his heals going again before coming back down.

I know I could never have lasted as long as I did or even had a chance at taking a Rank 10 RK down before HD. Even though our heals haven't matched our jump in morale, I think the reduced CDs on most of our more potent skills are a HUGE factor. The other factor to consider is the additional 6 corruption slots. Being able to not only maximize Masteries (heals and damage) but Resistance corruptions as well, should also play an important role. I have always been of the opinion that it is far better to avoid the hit in the first place rather than worrying about mitigating it's effect.

Of course There's lots of other things to consider for future, including access and availability of audacity gear for Freeps and Freep confidence about the new trait lines, and I could be proven wrong weeks or months down the road. But for now, I feel more effective and more...resilient than I did before. I'm not giving up on defiling just yet.

I just wish I had more Freeps to really prove some of this out. Right now, it's more a gut feeling than hard numbers.

Ofcourse you lasted longer and felt more resilient.

Freeps have NO AUD or are running AUD off 85 gear, they have no mits against new damage types either.

Yet some of the group fights have been quite close still. Freep healing is HUGE, add OPs in the mix and although we(creeps) do great dps now, its amazing to see health go back up to full over and over again.

Also freep/neutral NPCs arnt hitting us as hard anymore, dont think they have been scaled correctly.

Time will tell, 1-2months we will see a PvP update hopefully.

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Originally Posted by Firusha

I know your priorities are not on monsterplay (especially not on creep-only players)

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This. They are more worried about not giving end-game raids for expansions nowadays.

doubt this game will see the light of another expansion.