Fellow Hunters: Is Distracting Shot broken?

Or am I just dumb? Don't be afraid to be brutally honest :P haha. Anyway, I've been meaning to ask this for a while, as I noticed with CoH and DB its 2.5 seconds against full aud creeps as normally 5 second dazes, 7.5 with BA as a 15 second duration, which are all working as intended, but whenever I use dazing shot in the rare times I do use it, it only ends up being 2.5s daze, not 5s. For a skill that had a legendary tied to it especially, I think that should be fixed, as the extra 2.5 seconds would be a nice little difference. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has noticed it, but it would make DS a much better skill to use more often, and not as a last resort skill.

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

Or am I just dumb? Don't be afraid to be brutally honest :P haha. Anyway, I've been meaning to ask this for a while, as I noticed with CoH and DB its 2.5 seconds against full aud creeps as normally 5 second dazes, 7.5 with BA as a 15 second duration, which are all working as intended, but whenever I use dazing shot in the rare times I do use it, it only ends up being 2.5s daze, not 5s. For a skill that had a legendary tied to it especially, I think that should be fixed, as the extra 2.5 seconds would be a nice little difference. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has noticed it, but it would make DS a much better skill to use more often, and not as a last resort skill.

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You just mentioned your answer - full audacity creeps :) There is nothing to be fixed, it work normal but is reduced b audacity so maybe spend your points on some other legacy for moors. Well you say 2.5secs daze would be nice little diffrence but any idea what can be done for 2.5secs more especially for warg/burg if you can lockdown your target for full stun duration? :P

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Originally Posted by XPICTO

You just mentioned your answer - full audacity creeps :) There is nothing to be fixed, it work normal but is reduced b audacity so maybe spend your points on some other legacy for moors. Well you say 2.5secs daze would be nice little diffrence but any idea what can be done for 2.5secs more especially for warg/burg if you can lockdown your target for full stun duration? :P

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What I'm saying is though: how come it's 2.5 seconds when it should be 5 seconds as a 10 second daze? Dazing blow is 5 seconds normally, but is ofc 2.5 seconds because of the -50% cc duration, so I really don't understand why Distracting Shot is 2.5 seconds as well when its initially a 10 second daze. Idk, doesnt seem right for a skill that in yellow line is supposed to be a "legendary".

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

What I'm saying is though: how come it's 2.5 seconds when it should be 5 seconds as a 10 second daze? Dazing blow is 5 seconds normally, but is ofc 2.5 seconds because of the -50% cc duration, so I really don't understand why Distracting Shot is 2.5 seconds as well when its initially a 10 second daze. Idk, doesnt seem right for a skill that in yellow line is supposed to be a "legendary".

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This iis called diminishing returns or soething else not sure about name but the more you cc a target the less effective your cc comes so target wont be chainmezzed though even wwith it creeps get chainmezzed.

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Originally Posted by XPICTO

This iis called diminishing returns or soething else not sure about name but the more you cc a target the less effective your cc comes so target wont be chainmezzed though even wwith it creeps get chainmezzed.

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Diminishing returns have been eliminated ever since audacity came out. That's the point of it. They wanted to give CC classes a little more viability again. The lowest your CC should be is -50%, and it stays that way continuously.

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

Diminishing returns have been eliminated ever since audacity came out. That's the point of it. They wanted to give CC classes a little more viability again. The lowest your CC should be is -50%, and it stays that way continuously.

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as i saod im not sure about the name but it does work this way the more you cc the less long ot is. nothing is broken. If it stays continuosly targets would be chainstunned for the whole fight. even now burg can lock you for 15secs.

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

What I'm saying is though: how come it's 2.5 seconds when it should be 5 seconds as a 10 second daze? Dazing blow is 5 seconds normally, but is ofc 2.5 seconds because of the -50% cc duration, so I really don't understand why Distracting Shot is 2.5 seconds as well when its initially a 10 second daze. Idk, doesnt seem right for a skill that in yellow line is supposed to be a "legendary".

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Distracting shot is 100% break on damage, so if you have any bleeds on before you fire DS the DoT pulse will break it. Maybe that is what you are seeing.

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Originally Posted by XPICTO

as i saod im not sure about the name but it does work this way the more you cc the less long ot is. nothing is broken. If it stays continuosly targets would be chainstunned for the whole fight. even now burg can lock you for 15secs.

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They got rid of diminishing returns a long time ago, dude, trust me, I CC enough to know haha. That's the whole point of audacity, is not to make cc useless, but not as useful, yet more useful than DR was :).

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Originally Posted by Baredur

Distracting shot is 100% break on damage, so if you have any bleeds on before you fire DS the DoT pulse will break it. Maybe that is what you are seeing.

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I know all about that, but just check next time you use the skill. It's gonna be 2.5 seconds on a full aud creep when it should be 5 seconds when its initially a 10 second skill. Same as Dazing Blow, but thats initially a 5 second skill, which is WAI obv but not DS.

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

They got rid of diminishing returns a long time ago, dude, trust me, I CC enough to know haha. That's the whole point of audacity, is not to make cc useless, but not as useful, yet more useful than DR was :).



I know all about that, but just check next time you use the skill. It's gonna be 2.5 seconds on a full aud creep when it should be 5 seconds when its initially a 10 second skill. Same as Dazing Blow, but thats initially a 5 second skill, which is WAI obv but not DS.

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if in a fight i stun and open 2cj the second one less than 1second. Even the first cj isnt 2.5secs. Or maybe this is broken too?

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

They got rid of diminishing returns a long time ago, dude, trust me, I CC enough to know haha. That's the whole point of audacity, is not to make cc useless, but not as useful, yet more useful than DR was :).

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It becomes pretty obvious that DR are still there, when you fight a Shield Bash spamming WL. Just try it.

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Originally Posted by XPICTO

if in a fight i stun and open 2cj the second one less than 1second. Even the first cj isnt 2.5secs. Or maybe this is broken too?

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Sorry for the delayed response, been busy with work and school.

There are no Diminishing Returns. That's why audacity is there. If there was DR still, cc would be completely and utterly useless, think about it: -50% CC duration from aud + DR application=useless cc.

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/p...psc50e5cf8.jpg

This is a friend of mine I tested out my DS on. He has full audacity. Notice how its only 2.5 seconds when it should be 5 seconds, being that it's initially a 10 second skill. There was no cc prior to this, not like it matters because DR doesn't exist anymore in the moors (he was fighting an auroch is why his hp was low).

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Originally Posted by Giliodor

It becomes pretty obvious that DR are still there, when you fight a Shield Bash spamming WL. Just try it.

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Hmmm, well, it's hard to spam a skill that's on a 20 second cd. If it was a 3-5 second cd, then I might have believed you.

I'll tell both of you why DR doesn't exist anymore. Ok, so when I 1v1 creeps, I generally go with my Bard's Arrow+Tripwire combo. So, my BA is usually on for 7.5 (15 seconds+ -50% cc duration on full aud creep) seconds, and then I use tripwire right after, which ends up being 2.5 seconds. Tripwire is a 5 second skill, so it's right at 2.5 seconds WAI. If there was DR still, that would be lower than 2.5 seconds, considering there is already a -50% application from audacity. Sometimes I even use Dazing Blow right after, and guess what, it's still 2.5 seconds. So, that's 3 consecutive CCs in a row nearly, with diff applications (fear, stun, daze). Do some testing before you post something.

I guess I answered my own question though, but I really wanted to see if any hunters noticed this. They probably don't, as DS is a garbage skill most of the time and not worth using.

dr works for cc pf the same kind. Tell me why my 2nd cj is less than 1sec instead of 2.5secs if there werent dr? or with the stun of ba/wl/nurg/lm

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Originally Posted by XPICTO

dr works for cc pf the same kind. Tell me why my 2nd cj is less than 1sec instead of 2.5secs if there werent dr? or with the stun of ba/wl/nurg/lm

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Do you have actual proof? I'll even make a video if you dont believe me.

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

Do you have actual proof? I'll even make a video if you dont believe me.

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what proof more that not only me saaying it?

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

Because it's not right, I'm sorry lol. I've done extensive testing, and showed you a screenshot, but if you want, I can take a video and show you consecutive cc of it being the same type of cc even, such as using Distracting shot and dazing blow consecutively.

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sorry but you're the wrong one :) do some real testing ;)

Audacity is here to compensate for the big damage done now by lowering cc so you wont die before cc is over while dr is here to compensate for the big cc that can be applied and not be chainstunned..they work on different matters. yes it seems its the same but isnt.

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Originally Posted by XPICTO

Audacity is here to compensate for the big damage done now by lowering cc so you wont die before cc is over while dr is here to compensate for the big cc that can be applied and not be chainstunned..they work on different matters. yes it seems its the same but isnt.

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We were both wrong. The chain daze is WAI, so I'll give you props for that. However, when it comes to certain cc tables being tied together, a la my tripwire and fear, it's at -50% cc properly without any direct effects from DR. All in all though, this wouldn't be an issue if Turbine knew how to do proper math and fixed cc duration of DS and actually even DB. Dazing Blow is only 1.3 seconds on first application, when it should be 2.5, and DS is only 2.5 on first application when it should be 5 seconds. Last I checked, these were -75% durations lol, so that's kinda dumb.

A lot of moronism going on here.

CC effects are reduced in duration by 50% on players. So a 10 sec daze on a no-audacity player OUTSIDE of the moors will last for 5 seconds the first tme.

CC effects are then reduced by audacity at cap, by a further 50%, so that 10 sec daze (DS) is 2.5seconds to start with. So this is working correctly.

Dazing Blow, a 5 sec daze, lasts 2.5 sec on a no audacity creep or 1.25 sec on a full audacity creep, again, this is confirmed as working correctly.

I'm not sure what you're going on about with there being no diminishing returns on CCs? Currently all CCs have DRs on all players, just not NPCs.

1st stun for arguments sake may last 10 sec, the next 8 sec, the next 6, the next 4, and then immunity. During this time, after 21 seconds has passed, the DR table resets and bam, you're back to full daze length (after audacity, and player 50% reduction).

This is currently broken on freepside, where after 10 dazes or more, a freep will never get the "immune" effect for a few seconds, whereas after 4-5 dazes a creep will be immune to dazes and stuns until the DR table resets. This used to be the same for freeps too but was broken at some point around RoR expansion.

Anyway, there you have it. That's why Distracting Shot lasts 2.5 seconds as the 1st CC.

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

Hmmm, well, it's hard to spam a skill that's on a 20 second cd. If it was a 3-5 second cd, then I might have believed you.

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Bit cheeky from someone who doesn't know that it can be spammed upon critting, tut tut.

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Originally Posted by Ethrildar

A lot of moronism going on here.

CC effects are reduced in duration by 50% on players. So a 10 sec daze on a no-audacity player OUTSIDE of the moors will last for 5 seconds the first tme.

CC effects are then reduced by audacity at cap, by a further 50%, so that 10 sec daze (DS) is 2.5seconds to start with. So this is working correctly.

Dazing Blow, a 5 sec daze, lasts 2.5 sec on a no audacity creep or 1.25 sec on a full audacity creep, again, this is confirmed as working correctly.

I'm not sure what you're going on about with there being no diminishing returns on CCs? Currently all CCs have DRs on all players, just not NPCs.

1st stun for arguments sake may last 10 sec, the next 8 sec, the next 6, the next 4, and then immunity. During this time, after 21 seconds has passed, the DR table resets and bam, you're back to full daze length (after audacity, and player 50% reduction).

This is currently broken on freepside, where after 10 dazes or more, a freep will never get the "immune" effect for a few seconds, whereas after 4-5 dazes a creep will be immune to dazes and stuns until the DR table resets. This used to be the same for freeps too but was broken at some point around RoR expansion.

Anyway, there you have it. That's why Distracting Shot lasts 2.5 seconds as the 1st CC.

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That doesnt make sense then, thats not WAI, Turbine is stupid and you are stupid. How is it that WAI? Explain how 50% of a 10 second daze is 2.5 on 1st application, please. Give me a logical mathematical reason other than made up bs. Also, explain then why my Bards Arrow is WAI and is 7.5 seconds on a 15s fear, and my stun 2.5 seconds for my 5 second stun. Guess what? That's 50%, which is WAI. So, you're argument is invalid, and really had no proper premise to begin with, youre talking out of your ace.

All CC, regardless of what type of CC, should apply to the -50% cc hit, but the dazes don't.

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Originally Posted by Limmy

Bit cheeky from someone who doesn't know that it can be spammed upon critting, tut tut.

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Bit cheeky for someone that doesnt realize theres a little thing called 10 second immunity after you stun, so tut tut to you, genius. What point is there to use it again right away if you cant stun them?

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

That doesnt make sense then, thats not WAI, Turbine is stupid and you are stupid. How is it that WAI? Explain how 50% of a 10 second daze is 2.5 on 1st application, please. Give me a logical mathematical reason other than made up bs. Also, explain then why my Bards Arrow is WAI and is 7.5 seconds on a 15s fear, and my stun 2.5 seconds for my 5 second stun. Guess what? That's 50%, which is WAI. So, you're argument is invalid, and really had no proper premise to begin with, youre talking out of your ace.

All CC, regardless of what type of CC, should apply to the -50% cc hit, but the dazes don't.

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GOOD GOD.

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

Bit cheeky for someone that doesnt realize theres a little thing called 10 second immunity after you stun, so tut tut to you, genius. What point is there to use it again right away if you cant stun them?

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Bit cheeky for someone that doesn't realise the 10s immunity period is still far within the window of diminishing returns and it is easily easily noticeable if you do *any* testing what-so-ever. Oh, and er, damage output. Damage output is why you'd use it repeatedly.

Edit; one for the bio lmao.

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

That doesnt make sense then, thats not WAI, Turbine is stupid and you are stupid.

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Originally Posted by Ethrildar

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GOOD GOD.

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GOOD GOD how could you be so wrong, right?

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Originally Posted by Limmy

Bit cheeky for someone that doesn't realise the 10s immunity period is still far within the window of diminishing returns and it is easily easily noticeable if you do *any* testing what-so-ever. Oh, and er, damage output. Damage output is why you'd use it repeatedly.

Edit; one for the bio lmao.

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I'm not talking about DR, I'm talking about the effectiveness of the stun. If you use that for damage output compared to saving it for a stun, you do not know how to play a warleader properly.

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

I'm not talking about DR, I'm talking about the effectiveness of the stun. If you use that for damage output compared to saving it for a stun, you do not know how to play a warleader properly.

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Well it comes back down to DR, if you use it once, get the stun, then use it two or three times if crits allow, by the time it's off cool-down after the third hit DR will have reset and bobs your uncle you've got a full (minus audacity of course) stun.

Why do you keep being silly?

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

Or am I just dumb? Don't be afraid to be brutally honest :P haha.

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Yes, you are, and the way it looks you'll continue to be that way. Forever.

Done with this thread.