God Modding Mutliboxers

As if it were possible.. first spies becoming fashionable, PvMP has hit a new all time low (at least on Landroval) with a rise in multiboxing freeps.
These players think they are being creative, but are actually ruining this game.
For any game to remain enjoyable, competition needs to exist and the opposing side has to retain at least a fighting chance.
And if this is a massive multi-player online Role-Playing game, how immersive is it really to see a stack on toons whose actions look like the arms of some Hindu deity?
Who can contend with a player enjoying god-mode while running 5 or 6 clients at the same time?
How is this even allowable?
I find it very disheartening really and think the game company needs to reevaluate some things.

Vinny, this attempt to stir up chaos and attention on the forums only adds to the grief I feel for you.

You must be a very sad child.

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Originally Posted by Breeon

Who can contend with a player enjoying god-mode while running 5 or 6 clients at the same time?
How is this even allowable?
I find it very disheartening really and think the game company needs to reevaluate some things.

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I ask myself the same question everytime my soloing warg is zerged by raids. Who can contened......

my multiboxer set can be taken down by 1 for some classes, a couple in anycase can. boxers have limitations exploit them. The only thing decent is focus fire, but its still one action, one strat, one attack at a time in an enviroment where movement really sucks, because you have to play it on autofollow. vs a mix of classes that can cordinate an attack, and out manouver against a boxer.

you ask how its allowable. if you really want to know, the boxer software manufacture explains that here. http://isboxer.com/multiboxing/is-isboxer-allowed

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Originally Posted by Breeon

As if it were possible.. first spies becoming fashionable, PvMP has hit a new all time low (at least on Landroval) with a rise in multiboxing freeps.
These players think they are being creative, but are actually ruining this game.
For any game to remain enjoyable, competition needs to exist and the opposing side has to retain at least a fighting chance.
And if this is a massive multi-player online Role-Playing game, how immersive is it really to see a stack on toons whose actions look like the arms of some Hindu deity?
Who can contend with a player enjoying god-mode while running 5 or 6 clients at the same time?
How is this even allowable?
I find it very disheartening really and think the game company needs to reevaluate some things.

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I agree, these type of people just want to get an edge on other players and watch the negative attention it brings. They feed on it.

-Jetsu

LOL... what? It's relatively easy to kill the boxer with like 5 creeps. He is so unbelievably bad he can't even wipe 5 creeps with 10-12 freeps.

The boxer benefits the most when he has a parade of freeps following him around for free points because those freeps will protect him from any creep threat. Try going for the head (Tinderz-1 for the RK, Frogles for the minstrel). Once you kill the head, the boxer will flip his sh*t and start running the remaining clients to the rez to rendezvous with the head because he HATES dying (which is why he has 5-6 clients up all the time). From there it should be easy pickings.

P.S. Breeon is Drna the warg, not Vinny the boxer.

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Originally Posted by Seglord

my multiboxer set can be taken down by 1 for some classes, a couple in anycase can. boxers have limitations exploit them. The only thing decent is focus fire, but its still one action, one strat, one attack at a time in an enviroment where movement really sucks, because you have to play it on autofollow. vs a mix of classes that can cordinate an attack, and out manouver against a boxer.

you ask how its allowable. if you really want to know, the boxer software manufacture explains that here. http://isboxer.com/multiboxing/is-isboxer-allowed

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Yeah, it's (relatively) easy to take down a multiboxer with a coordinated small group. Some folks are even good enough to take out multiboxers solo. That's not the point, though. Not for me, at least. Multiboxers can cause WAY more lag than the average group. I don't understand the tech behind it, but it's totally frustrating. Lag is bad enough in this game as it is without multiboxers adding to it... Last night, for instance, there was a mini boxer running around. Every time I tried to target the main mini, or every time it targeted me, I started hitching like crazy and it was really hard to time my skills. One lone mini does not do that to me. A group of independently controlled minis can do that to me, but not nearly to the same extent.

Also, it's just the principle of the thing. Most people who play this game advance one character at a time. You're advancing SIX at once if you're boxing a full group. Plus, I don't know if multiboxers target solo players regularly (it has never happened to me, thankfully -- I've only seen them when I'm in groups, or when I'm ungrouped with other creeps around)... But it would be completely unfair to roflstomp a lone creep with, say, a 6-man fire RK multiboxed group. I wouldn't be surprised if that happens.

As for how it is allowable? One reason, and one reason only: Turbine gets more money.

#boxershavenoskill

According to the lotro Code of Conduct

18. You may not create, post, use or distribute any utilities, emulators or other third party software tools without the express written permission of Turbine (including, without limitation, macroing programs, botting programs, server emulators, client hacks, map hacks, and data gathering utilities)

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Originally Posted by Sardonic

According to the lotro Code of Conduct

18. You may not create, post, use or distribute any utilities, emulators or other third party software tools without the express written permission of Turbine (including, without limitation, macroing programs, botting programs, server emulators, client hacks, map hacks, and data gathering utilities)

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people like to quote this, like its some binding law or legal contract. its a disclamer that leaves options open for turbine to decide. and nothing in that verbage specifically excludes multiboxing, which isnt the same as botting anyway.

Disclaiming 3rd party software is a joke. windows, mac os, drivers of all kinds. video cards manufacturer, mice, keyboards, all not supplied by turbines game. its just a tool in case they want or need to mediate, but they dont want to against multiboxers, it brings them more money, and they would love it if everyone multiboxed.

As sad as the boxers themselves are the people following them. Just shows that those people also only care for points. If you see the opposite side attacking a boxer, there should be no one helping that guy, but i guess that's just wishful thinking.

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Originally Posted by Freawaru

Multiboxers can cause WAY more lag than the average group. I don't understand the tech behind it, but it's totally frustrating. Lag is bad enough in this game as it is without multiboxers adding to it... Last night, for instance, there was a mini boxer running around. Every time I tried to target the main mini, or

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This, when both are out the server goes to ####. That's really my only problem with it, it's easy points but turbines trash servers can't handle it.

Also what Kanor said, I've never seen a server where so many people will heal and help the boxer. Usually it's people sending them rage tells or cj'ing them (what boxers usually want) but on Landroval the freeps love it. Especially Gurdstan.

Unfortunately people have been complaining about the use of boxxing programs for years and turbine has done nothing about it although numerous tickets have been sent in regards to boxxing as they don't deem it as a breach in the CoC.

Aren't all his toons ranked too?

I call that Dedication!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyubEwigfUY

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Originally Posted by arfaer

Unfortunately people have been complaining about the use of boxxing programs for years and turbine has done nothing about it although numerous tickets have been sent in regards to boxxing as they don't deem it as a breach in the CoC.

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Boxing* learn English you fence jumper.

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Originally Posted by J-Moneyforever

Boxing*. Learn English you fence jumper.

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Fixed that for you. Learn some grammar, fence jumper...

I've been reading about these server destroying multi-boxers going back to 2007. Same old post, new population.

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Originally Posted by Wilkyy

This, when both are out the server goes to ####. That's really my only problem with it, it's easy points but turbines trash servers can't handle it.

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It's getting out of hand now. I can usually tell when the boxers are out in force because I either crash to desktop or rubberband like crazy within minutes of stepping out onto Lugz hill (the boxers' favourite spot, presumably because they can run to the back door and hide like the pathetic, skill-less little things they are when creeps start getting numbers). It's not just me, either; I've seen plenty of people go link dead and crash in tribe groups and raids when the mobile lag bubbles are running about. As far as I'm concerned, taking advantage of the game's useless servers like that is a borderline exploit. Sadly, absolutely nothing will be done about it, simply because one lagtastic boxer = six times the revenue for Turbine.

Like, I don't care so much if I lag out in legitimate fraid vs craid situations, because I really don't care if I die and still somehow manage to have fun when I'm getting five second skill lag. But lagging out like that because one or two players are SO afraid of dying and SO intent on trolling people that they will shell out money for six accounts is just kinda sad. It would be one thing if it were possible to move off to a different part of the map, but the boxers follow the freeps (or maybe it's the other way around)... so you either just have to put up with it, or you try in vain to find open field 1v1s until you log out in boredom.

I know the boxer. The boxer is a great person. He gets more incoming than anyone I've ever seen.

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Originally Posted by Reichpapers

I've been reading about these server destroying multi-boxers going back to 2007. Same old post, new population.

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Not really, servers have never been this bad for lag so boxers have a bigger effect than before.

I have seen boxers on other servers at all level caps, I have never seen one make open raids and have people follow it around spam healing it. So not really just a same old post.

They perma ban Godo for being up top of dg, where creeps could still attack him. Ban people for farming with a macro, chat bans in this game are way out of hand, yet let someone run around with a multi boxer using third party software.

I like to see a GM respond to this with his opinion. #DoIt #NoBalls

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Originally Posted by Wilkyy

Not really, servers have never been this bad for lag so boxers have a bigger effect than before.

I have seen boxers on other servers at all level caps, I have never seen one make open raids and have people follow it around spam healing it. So not really just a same old post.

They perma ban Godo for being up top of dg, where creeps could still attack him. Ban people for farming with a macro, chat bans in this game are way out of hand, yet let someone run around with a multi boxer using third party software.

I like to see a GM respond to this with his opinion. #DoIt #NoBalls

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I would like a GM to respond to this harassment of Turbine staff.

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Originally Posted by MusterTheRohirrim

I would like a GM to respond to this harassment of Turbine staff.

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They deserve it

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I know the boxer. The boxer is a great person. He gets more incoming than anyone I've ever seen.

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If the boxer is such a great person, why does he willingly lag people out? If I had an unconventional playstyle that I knew was ruining game performance for other players, I'd stop doing it. Heck, I even shelved my warg for a while when the lag-from-stealth bug was at its worst. I also heard (but did not personally witness this myself) that the boxer was trying to kill one-shotters at Grams. Seems like a real upstanding sort of guy.

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If the boxer is such a great person, why does he willingly lag people out? If I had an unconventional playstyle that I knew was ruining game performance for other players, I'd stop doing it. Heck, I even shelved my warg for a while when the lag-from-stealth bug was at its worst. I also heard (but did not personally witness this myself) that the boxer was trying to kill one-shotters at Grams. Seems like a real upstanding sort of guy.

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Heck, I even shelved my warg for a while when the lag-from-stealth bug was at its worst.

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Good for you.

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I also heard (but did not personally witness this myself) that the boxer was trying to kill one-shotters at Grams. Seems like a real upstanding sort of guy.

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The horror!

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If the boxer is such a great person, why does he willingly lag people out?

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This 'boxer causes all the lag' meme is great. It's Turbine's awful coding of buff bars. Why do people willingly lag me out in my Thorog farms? W.T.F.?

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If I had an unconventional playstyle that I knew was ruining game performance for other players, I'd stop doing it.

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Regardless of whether that's true, boxer is within his rights playing as he is.

I don't think anyone who is complaining about the boxer lagging them actually believes that the boxer is truly the one at fault. The campaign against boxers is a total disaster. Nobody cares.

https://youtu.be/g7Qh1vHTtyY?t=29s

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Originally Posted by MusterTheRohirrim

The horror!

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Messing with one-shotters is a bannable offense. Dunno why you're defending it.

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Originally Posted by MusterTheRohirrim

This 'boxer causes all the lag' meme is great. It's Turbine's awful coding of buff bars. Why do people willingly lag me out in my Thorog farms? W.T.F.?

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No one's saying that boxers cause ALL the lag, but they do contribute to it significantly more than any SINGLE PLAYER should be able to. Two boxing players is the equivalent of a 12-man raid, and when they start hanging out with a 24-man fraid, the lag is unbelievable. The only time I ever crash in the Moors is when I'm in the vicinity of a boxer and a fraid. Also, I'm thinking that there's something about the software the boxer uses that compounds the issue (possibly the whole server having to handle 6-12 simultaneous keystrokes thing), because I seldom crash when there are multiple fraids out. I lag, yeah, but not as badly as I do when there's a boxer involved.

As for your Thorog lag comment: completely irrelevant, as a 24-man raid composed of 24 independent players is TOTALLY DIFFERENT than a 24-man raid composed of 12 independent players and two multi-boxers (or, shudder, four multi-boxers).

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Originally Posted by MusterTheRohirrim

I don't think anyone who is complaining about the boxer lagging them actually believes that the boxer is truly the one at fault.

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It's ultimately an integrity issue. You can play the game with one client open at a time on Turbine's hilariously bad servers and contribute a minimal amount to server load, OR you can use third party software to run multiple clients at once, KNOWING that you're adding six times the stress to the servers and significantly reducing game performance for everyone in your immediate vicinity. Saying "it's Turbine's fault for introducing the bug in the first place" won't excuse you when you knowingly use an exploit for your own gain, so I don't see how saying "it's Turbine's fault for having #### servers" should excuse a boxer from contributing significantly to the lag.