The beorning change

Hello bears. Curious about your opinions.

Beorn is just one of 9 alts in my case, so the experience doesn't count for end game. I used to have fun in the concept of skin-surfing in and pre-combat to generate wrath. The annoying part was to maintain wrath at maximum level before a combat. But, in a fight, it would be easy flow of wrath usage for maximized DPS. Or, it would be conservative use of man and bear-form to keep wrath high, and heal when it was needed the most: Do not waste wrath.

Now, with yesterday's changes. I love the idea of roaming as a bear. However, I feel that in red, all I need to do is run and around, and hit 'trash' (pun intended). Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Why should I switch to human form? Already there were not that many buttons to play with. I sort of feel we have become champions with wrath instead of fervour. Zero complexity. But viable as tank and healer. Improved in our roles, at the cost gameplay?

A very critical note:
please update the icons for man-form stance, bear-form stance and wanderlust. they are identical

Expose for the debuff. Every 30 seconds on an execute wrath dump. you still build far faster in man form.

For doing things like deeds sure stay in bear and mow the lawn.

I don't pretend to be an expert. I do have 3 beornings, highest is 105. One is on the new servers and the third is level 30ish on normal servers leveling slowly to get as many deeds done as possible. I think the whole thing would play better if the execute cooldown matched up better with the duration of the expose debuff. That way you could work out a rotation between forms to maximize damage.

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Originally Posted by hfe

Improved in our roles, at the cost gameplay?

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Absolutely.

The red build is flawed.


Basically to me it seems like we have become like any other melee class, where u just hit stuff with a rotation. The whole "need to build up wrath" is still there...but actually it isn't there anymore, does it make sense?

Class is no longer clunky like it used to be, very good update IMO as a main bear sense launch of the bear class. Healing feels like you can focus on healing team instead of how much wrath you have, the added rez was nice wish they skill icon was different but at least its a working skill now. Tanking with the added block stat and heavy armor is a nice touch to improve blue line as well as adding a 2nd taunt for single target 30m range and still being able to have your 10m AOE force taunt. At this point i think if they just final touch on red line to get us up to par with single target dps the class can be left alone for a while.

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Originally Posted by hfe

Hello bears. Curious about your opinions.

Beorn is just one of 9 alts in my case, so the experience doesn't count for end game. I used to have fun in the concept of skin-surfing in and pre-combat to generate wrath. The annoying part was to maintain wrath at maximum level before a combat. But, in a fight, it would be easy flow of wrath usage for maximized DPS. Or, it would be conservative use of man and bear-form to keep wrath high, and heal when it was needed the most: Do not waste wrath.

Now, with yesterday's changes. I love the idea of roaming as a bear. However, I feel that in red, all I need to do is run and around, and hit 'trash' (pun intended). Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Why should I switch to human form? Already there were not that many buttons to play with. I sort of feel we have become champions with wrath instead of fervour. Zero complexity. But viable as tank and healer. Improved in our roles, at the cost gameplay?

A very critical note:
please update the icons for man-form stance, bear-form stance and wanderlust. they are identical

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The idea is that you the player can decide which form you wish to be in. Some things are better handled in Man-form, some are better in Bear-form. It all depends on how you want to deal with the situation. The important thing is that YOU get to choose and are no longer forced to do something you don't want to do because you have no Wrath.

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Originally Posted by Timberfox

The idea is that you the player can decide which form you wish to be in. Some things are better handled in Man-form, some are better in Bear-form. It all depends on how you want to deal with the situation. The important thing is that YOU get to choose and are no longer forced to do something you don't want to do because you have no Wrath.

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The idea right now? Or the original idea of what it means to be a claw beorning? Because to me it made a lot more sence to first generate wrath as man and then unleash a burst of damage as a bear.. And what are the situations that you are talking about? There is only one situation to deal with in red: DO DAMAGE and right now the only time that man form is convinient for that purpose is every 15s to refresh expose and maybe a DoT. If this is the way to go now why don't we just remove man form then? And move expose and all the dots to bear form and then we can all spam trash while we wait for DoTs and execute/relentless cooldowns? YaY fun!

"Beornings are descend from ancient Men, from Grimbeorn and Beorn himself. They can "skin-change" into bears WHEN ANGERED. "

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Originally Posted by Ornelas

"Beornings are descend from ancient Men, from Grimbeorn and Beorn himself. They can "skin-change" into bears WHEN ANGERED. "

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Nothing in The Hobbit says anything about Beorn or skin changers generally needing to be angry to change form. That was a contrivance for the game mechanic. In fact, right after feeding his guests, Beorn goes out for the night to dance with bears (see celebration thread) and check out Gandalf's story. Clearly he did it in Wanderlust stance:

"He had been over the river and right back up into the mountains—from which you can guess that he could travel quickly, in bear’s shape at any rate."

Tolkien, J.R.R.. The Hobbit (Lord of the Rings) (p. 131). Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. Kindle Edition.

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Originally Posted by camenecium

Nothing in The Hobbit says anything about Beorn or skin changers generally needing to be angry to change form. That was a contrivance for the game mechanic. In fact, right after feeding his guests, Beorn goes out for the night to dance with bears (see celebration thread) and check out Gandalf's story. Clearly he did it in Wanderlust stance:

"He had been over the river and right back up into the mountains—from which you can guess that he could travel quickly, in bear’s shape at any rate."

Tolkien, J.R.R.. The Hobbit (Lord of the Rings) (p. 131). Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. Kindle Edition.

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I didn't say that, what i meant to say is when it comes to battle and according to lore and nature of beornings it made more sense to me that their anger/wrath generation should be mostly done in man form, because by the time they are changed into the bear form they are already filled of rage and the need to unleash it, not increasing it, until eventually having to cool down. And YES, it fitted perfectly on the class mechanics.
Every time you see Beorn in brink of conflict while in the man form, he seems startled and easily angered, like something inside of him (anger) is growing.. Every time you see him in a battle as a bear he's just rampaging everything around him, but no power in middle earth should last that long, even when it comes to the patriarch of the Beornings, much less us players, the descendants. Of course he can also just "wonderlust" on his days off to dance with other bears, or even taking a pee on trees to mark his territory...:p

It's safe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9czF_LUSAc

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Originally Posted by Ornelas

according to lore...

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When I say The Hobbit, I mean the book. That's lore.

Again, nothing in The Hobbit indicated that Beorn had to "hulk out" to take bear-form or that he has to flip forms all the time. That was purely a game design contrivance that I'm much happier without, although I will otherwise note SSG's usual attention to detail in choosing the term wrath:

"But even with the Eagles they were still outnumbered. In that last hour Beorn himself had appeared—no one knew how or from where. He came alone, and in bear’s shape; and he seemed to have grown almost to giant-size in his wrath."
--Tolkien, J.R.R.. The Hobbit (Lord of the Rings) (p. 291). Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. Kindle Edition.