Devs should actually have to spend some time in the Moors before making changes there.

Just an idea, but wouldn't it be nice to see devs actually spend some time in the Moors before making changes there? Grodris is another Osgiliath...time and effort there was wasted. Changes look half-thought out, half-baked and contradictory. Changes to RKs' SM are a classic example. They went through three iterations of changes after the initial gutting of that skill, and it's still 60% of what it used to be. On top of that, the RK dev decided to nerf L-RKs' capstone skill, too? Um, ###?!?! <-- Do you ever actually play an RK?

This is a pretty ignorant post. The dev who is currently spearheading the Moors changes probably knows and cares more about PvMP than anyone who has worked on it in the last decade. He's probably also the hardest-working employee of SSG and among the most competent. His presence on the forums discussing PvMP changes has been extensive. He has listened attentively to feedback and made changes where needed, and continues to do so.

How about a new topic? "Players should actually have to have some knowledge of development efforts before trashing them"

Then explain why the Moors on Brandywine stays busted all of the time.Tier 3 and 4 armour one audacity point! Come on,You expect us to believe that? Do you ever wonder why no one plays the Moors anymore? Is it working on Arkenstone server ? So why is it not working on Brandywine???? These rank farmers need their daily fix.That Dev isn't working on Brandywine.I've been back in the Ettenmoors on Brandywine 3 months and what the heck is this auto-flip that doesn't work either??

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Originally Posted by Thurallor

This is a pretty ignorant post. The dev who is currently spearheading the Moors changes probably knows and cares more about PvMP than anyone who has worked on it in the last decade. He's probably also the hardest-working employee of SSG and among the most competent. His presence on the forums discussing PvMP changes has been extensive. He has listened attentively to feedback and made changes where needed, and continues to do so.

How about a new topic? "Players should actually have to have some knowledge of development efforts before trashing them"

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Then explain why the Moors on Brandywine stays busted all of the time.Tier 3 and 4 armour one audacity point! Come on,You expect us to believe that? Do you ever wonder why no one plays the Moors anymore? Is it working on Arkenstone server ? So why is it not working on Brandywine???? These rank farmers need their daily fix.That Dev isn't working on Brandywine.I've been back in the Ettenmoors on Brandywine 3 months and what the heck is this auto-flip that doesn't work either??

They changed the way audacity works. All Moors gear from T1 to T4 gives 1 audacity, higher tiers just have better stats and essence slots. You get no audacity bonuses until you hit 16, which you can only get from a full set of Moors gear. So they are basically making landscape and raid gear unusable in the Moors.

Auto-flips were removed a while ago because everyone complained about them. I think LC still auto-flips sometimes, for no particular reason.

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Originally Posted by Nouri

Just an idea, but wouldn't it be nice to see devs actually spend some time in the Moors before making changes there? Grodris is another Osgiliath...time and effort there was wasted. Changes look half-thought out, half-baked and contradictory. Changes to RKs' SM are a classic example. They went through three iterations of changes after the initial gutting of that skill, and it's still 60% of what it used to be. On top of that, the RK dev decided to nerf L-RKs' capstone skill, too? Um, ###?!?! <-- Do you ever actually play an RK?

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so cringe, ill translate this QQ, ill read between all this tears:

cant tank a whole creep raid anymore QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
lets see whats the next freeo class to QQ

i bet on a Hunter QQ

I don't often post on the forums but I do read them. I wanted to post to have a cry I admit it. I have only ever pve'd to pvp & I recognise the value of the current development of the Moors after so many years of nothing unfortunately currently my solo champion is just fodder.

Riding around the moors I am now literally unable to catch a solo creep in march. I can be caught trying to escape a raid but the recent change to the stun requiring a melee attack has left me chasing across the map unsuccessfully. I have re-traited fate to compensate for the power changes however spiders & defilers just burn my power. One on one I am being destroyed by Revers, Spiders & Defilers & WL are un-killable. Champ damage unlike other classes does not appear to have increased at all. The increase in NPC strength now means map remains red 24/7 as apart from LC no keeps can be flipped without a full raid resulting in players mapping in to GV seeing a red map & mapping out.

Rant over & Orion I do hope future updates will continue to review & redress balance. As the Op says more playing in the Moors to see the effects positive & negative your work is having.

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I don't often post on the forums but I do read them. I wanted to post to have a cry I admit it. I have only ever pve'd to pvp & I recognise the value of the current development of the Moors after so many years of nothing unfortunately currently my solo champion is just fodder.

Riding around the moors I am now literally unable to catch a solo creep in march. I can be caught trying to escape a raid but the recent change to the stun requiring a melee attack has left me chasing across the map unsuccessfully. I have re-traited fate to compensate for the power changes however spiders & defilers just burn my power. One on one I am being destroyed by Revers, Spiders & Defilers & WL are un-killable. Champ damage unlike other classes does not appear to have increased at all. The increase in NPC strength now means map remains red 24/7 as apart from LC no keeps can be flipped without a full raid resulting in players mapping in to GV seeing a red map & mapping out.

Rant over & Orion I do hope future updates will continue to review & redress balance. As the Op says more playing in the Moors to see the effects positive & negative your work is having.

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You might want to re-read your Fate tooltip.

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I don't often post on the forums but I do read them. I wanted to post to have a cry I admit it. I have only ever pve'd to pvp & I recognise the value of the current development of the Moors after so many years of nothing unfortunately currently my solo champion is just fodder.

Riding around the moors I am now literally unable to catch a solo creep in march. I can be caught trying to escape a raid but the recent change to the stun requiring a melee attack has left me chasing across the map unsuccessfully. I have re-traited fate to compensate for the power changes however spiders & defilers just burn my power. One on one I am being destroyed by Revers, Spiders & Defilers & WL are un-killable. Champ damage unlike other classes does not appear to have increased at all. The increase in NPC strength now means map remains red 24/7 as apart from LC no keeps can be flipped without a full raid resulting in players mapping in to GV seeing a red map & mapping out.

Rant over & Orion I do hope future updates will continue to review & redress balance. As the Op says more playing in the Moors to see the effects positive & negative your work is having.

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Sorry but you will not get an ounce sympathy from anyone, particularly creeps, when it comes to champs. You just can't faceroll your keyboard and get a kill anymore. Well, not as quick anyway :D

Freeps can still flip keeps with 3-4 people. Done it myself. It just takes patience.

Make use any skill auto cancel march,it is Inconvenient that you have to click march to cancel it before fight.
Make use any skill auto cancel march,it is Inconvenient that you have to click march to cancel it before fight
Make use any skill auto cancel march,it is Inconvenient that you have to click march to cancel it before fight

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Make use any skill auto cancel march,it is Inconvenient that you have to click march to cancel it before fight.

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It is as equally inconvenient for a Freep to click dismount to enable their skills.

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Originally Posted by SSG_Orion

It is as equally inconvenient for a Freep to click dismount to enable their skills.

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Why are you being logical and reasonable? Forums exist for tantrums only. [/s]

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Originally Posted by SSG_Orion

It is as equally inconvenient for a Freep to click dismount to enable their skills.

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It's more inconvenient. Immediate skills don't cancel horses.