New Vault

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Originally Posted by Ayrolen

Please show me where Ransroth has talked to any of us like we're idiots. Stop making stuff up. It's really insulting.

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Did you play Beta, were you part of the discussion of the vault, did you read the developers notes prior to logging in (in the launcher developers notes) the day Enedwaith went live for pay to play players? My guess would be no, simply because the statement I speak of was in the developers notes on that day. The current vault is what has came about (maybe we can fix it) because of all the negativity on beta.

People have said in the old vault you couldn't tell what was what. case in point ixp items. There was a simple thing that allowed you to lower your item description time. You lowered it, scrolled over a item n POOF there was the description.

My major gripe of the new system is the search doesn't work for all items so I have to scroll n hunt. The old system all you had to do was hit the "I" key and ALL your chests opened to include your bags. Now I have to sit and scroll or try to remember..."hmm now which chest did I put that one item in, that I don't recall what the exact name for it is?".

I love that you can auto stack items and that chests can be expanded to fit all like items. But drop a single item in the general vault and come back a few days later to use it, its your guess as to where it is.

Not trying to be condescending or insulting but the new vault is for people who are not as lets say organized(I just want to drop my socks where ever n SOMEONE will pick em up n clean them). I for one had no problem looking at a icon of a crafting item and knowing what it was. The last time I checked ever item in the game except for a few (ixp items) have their own icon or variation of the same icon. Even ixp items have their own variation of the same icon, I can easily tell the difference between ixp for level 60 from ixp for level 65.

Lastly my intent was not to insult you or anyone else. But I stand by my post when after all the discussion and negativity in beta it still went live with a promise to fix it later.

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Originally Posted by TMatus

I love that you can auto stack items and that chests can be expanded to fit all like items. But drop a single item in the general vault and come back a few days later to use it, its your guess as to where it is.

Not trying to be condescending or insulting but the new vault is for people who are not as lets say organized(I just want to drop my socks where ever n SOMEONE will pick em up n clean them). I for one had no problem looking at a icon of a crafting item and knowing what it was. The last time I checked ever item in the game except for a few (ixp items) have their own icon or variation of the same icon. Even ixp items have their own variation of the same icon, I can easily tell the difference between ixp for level 60 from ixp for level 65.

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Exactly. Those of us who have our wits about us and know what we are doing, should not have to suffer because other people can't do the same. Please give at least an option to have the classic vault.

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Originally Posted by TMatus

Did you play Beta, were you part of the discussion of the vault, did you read the developers notes prior to logging in (in the launcher developers notes) the day Enedwaith went live for pay to play players? My guess would be no, simply because the statement I speak of was in the developers notes on that day. The current vault is what has came about (maybe we can fix it) because of all the negativity on beta.

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And your guess would be wrong. I've been in every beta over the last 4 years. I followed the Dev Tracker during beta and I never saw Ransroth being rude, insulting, or condescending (even when it was totally warranted from all of the hyperbole [NOTE: "The new vault sucks!" is not constructive feedback and does not deserve a kind response from anyone with a blue name.] being spewed there and here). Please show me exactly where he (or another Dev) was.

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Originally Posted by macdadg

given the fact that I can't see everything at once, or organize things in a logical way

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You now have 11 chests to separate your items instead of at most 7 bags, and you couldn't get 7 without that character being almost capped. Since level restrictions have been removed, even your lvl 8 mules can have as much storage as your lvl 65 main. So, you gain the potential for more open storage slots, you gain in number of storage bags/chests, you gain the auto-sorting and -stacking, and you gain not having slot limits for each individual bag/chest. You lose being able to sort your items on a per-item basis.

To me, the positives heavily outweight the negatives. My time at the Vault has decreased, because I can just dump items into it from my bags quickly, without having to get it moved to just the right spot. If the item you just added is stackable and there exists a stack of that item already, it auto-merges with that stack in the chest the existing stack rests. If it's a new item to your Vault, you can either right-click the items you've dumped into your main chest and choose which chest it should go into. As an alternate, you can select the chest you want that item to go into before dropping the item in and it will go straight into that chest.

I, like many players, was very-much against the initial implementation of the new Vault. However, after they tweaked it based upon our feedback and coupled with a few days of use, I think the new Vault is the superior method. Once custom-naming of the chests is in and more sorting options are added, it's going to be very nice.

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Originally Posted by Saeta

Let me use my cook as an example. She stores fruit (Strawberries, Raspberries, Blackberries, and Blueberries, and Shire Apples) in the top row of her Raw Ingredient bag. The second row are leafy (Tea Leaves and Mint Leaves) and head (Cabbage and Cauliflower) vegetables. The bottom row is roots (Royal Taters and Taters, Green Onions and Yellow Onions, and Carrots). Because this isn't tier based, but food group based, will a smart autosearch be able to do this?

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It's autosort, not autosearch :).

I'd love to get some form of manual sort implemented which will allow you to do this. It's just that right now there are higher priority things that we need to work on.

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Originally Posted by Saeta

By the way. Can we get some of the improvements to the vault made to the vendor? Especially filtering. Most especially to the Homestead Provisioners. They carry SOOO much stock it would be helpful to be able to filter stock by craft. The current filtering is rather worthless with the Homestead Provisioner. If I weren't so cheap, and I hadn't invested so much gold in owning a home, I'd just buy cooking supplies from the expert cook by the Shire oven. I actually wouldn't mind a search box too on the vendors. Anything to make finding what I need to purchase quicker and easier!

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This may not happen right away, but is definitely something we'd love to look into.

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Originally Posted by Unique

People are just trying to help you cope with the new vault - yet all you do is repeat the same complaints over and over - we get it, you don't like it, your a visual person.

But let me ask you something, since all the not so visual organizing people have been forced to cope the old vault which was completely visual for 3 years, can't you just manage for a month or two until the new stuff is in that will give you back your functionality? They never said manual sorting was never gonna happen, it just wasn't gonna happen right this second.

BTW I was in beta too and just as vocal about the bank improvements too, I was a hater at first, then I made the new system work as best as I could for me. I am not telling you to stop hating it, you go right ahead but don't hate the people who are just trying to help you. If you don't want our help, stop posting on an open forum and stick to the official feedback thread for the vault.

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I don't want or need help on how to use the new vault, I am 'coping' with the new vault. I am still playing the game and using the vault. I am making it work as well as I can. I never said I was quitting the game, in fact I said quite the opposite. I keep posting the changes I would like to see changed because people are continually telling me to 'cope with it' and 'use it a while and you'll love it'. I'm not hating on anyone, I just don't appreciate the condescending tone some people are taking when they tell me to cope. BTW, why are you singling me out again on this thread?

And for three years, the only complaint I've seen about the vault is that it wasn't big enough. I am looking forward to the improvements coming in the next update, and I hope that it helps me and other visual people get better use out of the vault.

I keep posting my complaints about the new vault because this it's a big issue for me, and apparently a lot of people like me. "The squeaky wheel gets the oil." If we complain once, and then quit, people may think we've given up on getting more improvements. By continuing to voice our(my) protests, opinions, and suggestions, we are (I am) letting the devs know that this is something that is important to us (me).

This is an open forum, as is the official discussion thread. I post on both, when I feel like it. This one, right now, is the one with the most action, and is why I'm posting here. If you don't like it, you can either 'cope with it', or stop posting in this forum.

Monday night, know what I did?

I stopped into the Bree Vault and sat by Tad, asked the fellah to open my bank.
Then just sat there talking in kinchat, because I couldn't think of what to do.

You see: My vault is my source for ideas of what to do. Back when I could see every bloody (alike, and non-alike) icon at one time, I could eventually single out something I could focus on, in the amount of time I had. And now, I feel abso-bloomin'lutely helpless when I open my vault, and there's only about 10 items showing.

Fortunately for me, one of my kinmates asked me to switch to my (finally level 65) LM and go do an instance with them. But that was just a single day. Who knows how long I'll be a starin' at my vault the next time. It currently frustrates me, and I have not been able to make heads nor tails of how to organize things. (With exception of Crafting items, I've split them into Tier 1 stuff in box 1, etc.) Naming chests may help out, but I'm most highly looking forward to seeing everybloodyblinkinIcon on the screen at once, WITHOUT the space-wasting-text. (Anyone notice that, only the icons give a tooltip when you mouse-hover anyways?)

Don't consider me bitter, I'm not, and I'm absolutely grateful for the technology changes behind the scenes that will make the bank size expandable. (Art dev- Floon seemed to always be saying, "We don't have the tech to do that." So I am glad for more tech!!)
I'm just frustrated (not quite to tears, but very close) by my own inability to know what to do. (It's my first MMORPG thingy, so sue me!) I'm glad there are folks that love the new vault, (I promise I won't break yer kneecaps when you say it) and am happy to have been a part of the process. It's a satisfying experience to help in beta testing/feedback forums, and see the changes, for worser, but then we help to make it better.

I'm now off to alphabetize everything in real life... ;)

NOT! :p

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Originally Posted by ransroth

It's autosort, not autosearch :)

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Ooh autosearch sounds interesting. Is that where it searches for what you want before you know you want it? So you just walk up to the vault keeper and he hands you what you want before you can say hi.

When can we expect that feature? :D

I wonder what kind of statistics Turbine keeps on this. I'd love to know how long the average vault-window[s]-open session was before and after F2P.

My guess: it's significantly longer now.

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Originally Posted by Tuco

I wonder what kind of statistics Turbine keeps on this. I'd love to know how long the average vault-window[s]-open session was before and after F2P.

My guess: it's significantly longer now.

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Oddly enough my usage time for my vault is down significantly. I drag in the few things from the skirmishes I do then, I close it almost immediately after because I don't feel like spending the next 20 minutes looking for stuff.

Im coping but now am eagerly looking forward to the implementation of a classic looking vault system through the LUA addons. Not yet available but the devs did say that they would make the LUA able to create such addons. Nothing beats being able to view everything all at once on the same screen.

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Originally Posted by Griffy

(Anyone notice that, only the icons give a tooltip when you mouse-hover anyways?)

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This was a bug that happened with items with names that are so long that they get a '...' - the two tooltips are fighting and the wrong one is winning. We have a fix for it which will go live at some point.

I've just been informed that the plan is to make the offer to extend your vault from 120 to 135 slots available in the store this weekend.

I'm very excited about it - will be able to get some more slots for my live characters with full vaults :).

Also excited to be able to be the first (to my knowledge) to reveal this info to you all as a reward for sticking with this thread.

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Originally Posted by ransroth

I've just been informed that the plan is to make the offer to extend your vault from 120 to 135 slots available in the store this weekend.

I'm very excited about it - will be able to get some more slots for my live characters with full vaults :).

Also excited to be able to be the first (to my knowledge) to reveal this info to you all as a reward for sticking with this thread.

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Durn it! I just made up my mind to hold onto my remaining TP and now you release vault expansions. *shake fist*

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Originally Posted by ransroth

I've just been informed that the plan is to make the offer to extend your vault from 120 to 135 slots available in the store this weekend.

I'm very excited about it - will be able to get some more slots for my live characters with full vaults :).

Also excited to be able to be the first (to my knowledge) to reveal this info to you all as a reward for sticking with this thread.

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Excellent! This was the first thing I purchased in beta. One thing I never tested though - is this extra vault space tied to the character or account?

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Originally Posted by MrKidd

Excellent! This was the first thing I purchased in beta. One thing I never tested though - is this extra vault space tied to the character or account?

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The Character Vault Space upgrades are per-character.

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Originally Posted by ransroth

I've just been informed that the plan is to make the offer to extend your vault from 120 to 135 slots available in the store this weekend.

I'm very excited about it - will be able to get some more slots for my live characters with full vaults :).

Also excited to be able to be the first (to my knowledge) to reveal this info to you all as a reward for sticking with this thread.

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What's that going to cost us? :D

This is excellent news, and it makes me and my packrat characters very, very happy :D . I had been looking forward to the 150 total slots we got in beta (that I willingly spent TP on) and was disappointed when the limit wasn't increased with the update to live. Definitely a step in the right direction! Thank you!!!!


[PS: I hope you'll be able to fix my borked forum access soon, though. I'm a founder, Lifer, 'VIP,' and was a 'Senior Member' of the forum. Much appreciation in advance for that fix.]

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Originally Posted by ransroth

I've just been informed that the plan is to make the offer to extend your vault from 120 to 135 slots available in the store this weekend.

I'm very excited about it - will be able to get some more slots for my live characters with full vaults :).

Also excited to be able to be the first (to my knowledge) to reveal this info to you all as a reward for sticking with this thread.

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Sweet! My leveled crafters are in dire need.

Some questions:

Just to verify, only the 135 slot expansion will be available and the 150 slot expansion won't be available at this time?

Will this expansion be offered this weekend only, or is this weekend just the premiere and the expansion will be available from now on?

Regarding folks that were able to purchase vault expansions (especially during head start), but didn't receive any extra slots at that time - If they previously paid for the 135 slot expansion, will they automatically get those extra 15 slots this weekend? (I know someone who already had 120 slots. They paid for the 135 and 150 slots expansions, but obviously didn't receive them since the feature was disabled.)

Final thought: I really do wish these slots were available using in game currency. /sigh

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Originally Posted by Thoroval

Just to verify, only the 135 slot expansion will be available and the 150 slot expansion won't be available at this time?

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That's the plan.

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Originally Posted by Thoroval

Will this expansion be offered this weekend only, or is this weekend just the premiere and the expansion will be available from now on?

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This weekend only.

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Originally Posted by Thoroval

Regarding folks that were able to purchase vault expansions (especially during head start), but didn't receive any extra slots at that time - If they previously paid for the 135 slot expansion, will they automatically get those extra 15 slots this weekend? (I know someone who already had 120 slots. They paid for the 135 and 150 slots expansions, but obviously didn't receive them since the feature was disabled.)

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I can't speak to this - it's more of a question for the customer service team. They should open a ticket and discuss the situation.

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Originally Posted by ransroth

I've just been informed that the plan is to make the offer to extend your vault from 120 to 135 slots available in the store this weekend.

I'm very excited about it - will be able to get some more slots for my live characters with full vaults :).

Also excited to be able to be the first (to my knowledge) to reveal this info to you all as a reward for sticking with this thread.

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OMGWEE!!! YAY!! *bounce bounce bounce* :D

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Originally Posted by ransroth

That's the plan.

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I figured that was the case. My bet is Turbine is worried about the database expanding too quickly and so is proceeding with an abundance of caution.

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Originally Posted by ransroth

This weekend only.

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I'm glad I asked then! I actually thought I was asking a silly question, but it turns out I wasn't. ;) I guess this decision could also be related to database bloat concerns.

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Originally Posted by ransroth

I can't speak to this - it's more of a question for the customer service team. They should open a ticket and discuss the situation.

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They have a ticket open already (no response yet). I just wanted to pass on what their expectations should be for this weekend, if I could discover what those expectations were.

Thanks Ransroth!

When I first logged in and saw it, it looked bad. It takes some time to sort each characters vault and having 9 at the time was a daunting task since I am very low on mental energy at the moment. After I did a few it was great, you can just highlight like objects and send to chest 10 then 9. And organize stuff likewise nothing to it now. I can go directly to chest 10 for the First Ages and level 60-65 gear I keep. Just mentally organize the tradeskill items to chests 3-5, gear to 9-10, potions food to 1-2 and stuff that might go in the wow 50 shared bank slots area to main.

Nothing to it. I love it now that I have had a chance to let my brain adapt.

I have finally gotten used to the new vault. I think I will be much happier once we can name the chests though.

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Originally Posted by ransroth

I've just been informed that the plan is to make the offer to extend your vault from 120 to 135 slots available in the store this weekend.

I'm very excited about it - will be able to get some more slots for my live characters with full vaults :).

Also excited to be able to be the first (to my knowledge) to reveal this info to you all as a reward for sticking with this thread.

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Thanks Ransroth! I'm glad you got to be the first to announce, and I'm glad to have it available!

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Originally Posted by cshamblin

What's that going to cost us? :D

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995 (it's not on sale), I just checked. It wasn't under Specials, I had to do a search for "vault". It was the only option that popped up for my "vault maxxed" character.

Gotta admit, as happy as I am to have it available (and I'm ecstatic!) it costs way more than I expected. I'm going to have to give serious thought to what to do next. I have 8 characters across 2 servers at max vault space, and at 995 a pop, that's .. mm .. more than I care to spend. By a lot. Now I have to decide which, if any, characters are going to get this space, or if I'm going to manage some of it with alts until (if) the price becomes more reasonable.

Still, I'm glad it's there and I'm sure when players find out about it, it will be a popular item.