Official Feedback: Inventory and Bag Space revamp Suggestions

Please DON'T expand space, rather reduce the # of drops, items and materials.

More space means ever more time for inventory management.
Simplifying things will save time and resources for everyone.
My suggestions:
- coins and barter items should replace reputation item drops like daggers, swords, cloaks, etc.
- LIs should not drop but rather either a currency (shards?) or tokens as in Moria (in the wallet of course) - shared per account
- provide for crafted ingredients to be sold at a crafted ingredients vendor for a special currency that can only be converted back to crafting ingredients (maybe unlocked only after having been produced and sold once). Trading should come at a cost but e.g. for cooks that would free dozens of slots and save AGES of time for crafting x crops of ingredient y when only 1 piece of y is needed for a relic or something similar. It would eliminate the need to go and collect ingredients when all you really want to do is quickly craft an item an be off for the Raid. The System provides for less space, less time, better planning.
- eliminating intermediary items when crafting, and/or making them re-convertible to raw materials (at a cost) to save space
- harmonizing/simplifying all the Hobbit gift buff scrolls etc. and/or stack them away somewhere
- LIs being developed should not sit in the inventory, but have slots similar to armour. Best thing to do would be to eliminate the levelling of multiple items at the same time (is it realistic to wear & enhance, say five swords and a dagger?!) and rather introduce a LI development currency that can be applied on items - thus there would be no need to store unused LIs. and there could be a TP charge to raise the limit for stored LI Dec currency to replace existing TP charges on LI slots.

I am not sure if this belongs here, but I'll add it anyhow.

100 MC for 15 more spots of storage in housing is ridiculously over-priced. Consider altering price or number of spots gained per purchase. Most people will just continue to use mules.

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Originally Posted by Sapience

“We think it’s time to take a new look at inventory in LOTRO and see where we can make improvements. Please share any thoughts you have on what works or what doesn’t work for you regarding inventory here.” - Kate Paiz, Executive Producer, The Lord of the Rings Online

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Many of the ideas I have seen are pretty good; however I don't necessarily agree that adding more space is the answer, there has to be better implementation of the current amount of space...

1. No more endless Legendary trash drops. Lots of good ideas on fixing this already posted already.

2. No more quest items stored in standard storage. This includes items that are turned in for quests or items that start quests. This is a huge problem in the moors, but happens elsewhere also.

3. No more currency held in bags. I have the upgraded wallet, and was pretty disappointed when the new rohan raids came out dropping those gems that act like currency, but ended up taking up room in my vault.

4. The ability to dye armor/clothing from the shared wardrobe. Pretty frustrating to have to keep "real" versions of items in my vault in case I ever decide I want to dye something that I already have in my shared wardrobe.

5. A more clear indication of what types of trash items can be turned in for a particular level and/or less variety of these. Maybe one type each for humanoid/undead/insect/animal with these divided clearly into tiers for which levels they are useful.

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Originally Posted by Hanilvor

4. The ability to dye armor/clothing from the shared wardrobe. Pretty frustrating to have to keep "real" versions of items in my vault in case I ever decide I want to dye something that I already have in my shared wardrobe.

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Uhh, you can just dye it in the wardrobe and then you have multiple colors "permanently" in the wardrobe... right? (or am I missing what you're asking for here?)

I believe the single greatest improvement to inventory would be the often requested crafting wallet. If properly implemented, this would free up a tremendous amount of inventory space as well as providing a simpler, smoother crafting experience. It could even be implemented as a free wallet per character with a paid upgrade to make it shared per account. That would generate some sales for Turbine and allow an opt out for those that want to keep their crafting items unshared for RP or other purposes.

Other than the crafting wallet, I believe that Turbine should consider leveraging the Lua community for UI enhancements since no single UI is going to satisfy every player's perferences. As long as Turbine exposes the crafting wallet (or other UI elements in need of enhancement) to Lua the plugin community can provide custom UIs for anyone that doesn't care for the default UI the same as plugins provide much of the alternate UI functionality that people are asking for such as viewing alt's inventories, compact or vault style bag displays or tracking item quantities.

While I wouldn't mind if Turbine did away with the bag UI for character inventory, there are already plugins that provide custom UIs for viewing the bags as a single bag or even viewing them as a vault style display but with better filtering and sorting so upgrading the basic bag UI would not be that great of an improvement and IMHO development dollars would be better spent improving other aspects of the game.

I would like to see a reduction in the number of versions of potions as well as an alternative to the seemingly endless item XP tokens. I would also like the many non-unique items that have a stack size of 1 changed to be stackable, such as single use recipes.

I would also like to be able to sell items by either dragging them to the vendor window or by use of a key+mouse button (or better yet, expose the vendor window to Lua and let the Lua community provide a more flexible vendor UI). It would be great to have Lua access to the mail interface so that we could implement mailing multiple items as well as implementing mail logs, etc.

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Originally Posted by uvm.tp

Uhh, you can just dye it in the wardrobe and then you have multiple colors "permanently" in the wardrobe... right? (or am I missing what you're asking for here?)

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I haven't been able to dye items in the wardrobe, though I haven't tried to do this since pre ROI.

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Originally Posted by uvm.tp

Uhh, you can just dye it in the wardrobe and then you have multiple colors "permanently" in the wardrobe... right? (or am I missing what you're asking for here?)

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You can store multiple colors on the same item in one wardrobe spot. However, if you want to add another dye color to that item, you need to have the actual item in a storage spot somewhere. That item must be placed into a bag, have a dye added to it, and then placed in the wardrobe before it will show up there. I love the fact that I can have multiple colors of the same item in one wardrobe spot, but it is a pain to find out which character has the actual item in their vault (especially for bound items) if I want to add another color.

-Thundertrain

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Originally Posted by Ride_the_Train

However, if you want to add another dye color to that item, you need to have the actual item in a storage spot somewhere.

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This is not true. I just tested it to validate my earlier statement.

Go to a vault. Open up the wardrobe. Right click on a dye, and select the item in the wardrobe as the target. You will get the dye coloring confirmation box. The "color menu" at the bottom will reset to blank (if you had a color selected) and the new color will then be in the list and available for use.

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Originally Posted by uvm.tp

This is not true. I just tested it to validate my earlier statement.

Go to a vault. Open up the wardrobe. Right click on a dye, and select the item in the wardrobe as the target. You will get the dye coloring confirmation box. The "color menu" at the bottom will reset to blank (if you had a color selected) and the new color will then be in the list and available for use.

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Is this a relatively recent change? I tried to dye items in my wardrobe before (pre-ROR, I think) and was not able to do so.

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Originally Posted by Ride_the_Train

Is this a relatively recent change? I tried to dye items in my wardrobe before (pre-ROR, I think) and was not able to do so.

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I can't pin down if there was a change and if so when it may have occurred. I've had the wardrobe for a long time (~Update 2), but only really dyed things in it starting after RoI...

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Originally Posted by uvm.tp

Go to a vault. Open up the wardrobe. Right click on a dye, and select the item in the wardrobe as the target. You will get the dye coloring confirmation box. The "color menu" at the bottom will reset to blank (if you had a color selected) and the new color will then be in the list and available for use.

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This has been true for me since 2010.

(Edit: Good explanation, by the way.)

I agree with the idea to make IXP a coin like item from the first few pages - you select the level you want and it warns you how much of the IXP you have banked will be used. I have something like a bag and a half of IXP stuff I cart around while waiting for a level 95 hunter item to drop (because for some reason, I'm always picking up Rune Keeper and Loremaster items).

I would like the task items to tell me what faction they can be turned in for when I have them. I need Helmingas rep, so I really would prefer to know in advanced that it's the damaged fur, not the tattered fur that I need to save. I'd also love for the fact that I'm grinding helmingas rep not require 5 more slots in my bag because it was decided to make everything a 10 item minimum. I now am keeping furs, skins, ears, wings, and hatchets, all of which drop at different rates. Long time ago the drop rates were synched to the amount of things that dropped, it seemed. Rarer drops had fewer turn ins. Better yet, make them like the barter tokens of old - you click on them and they go away automatically granting you some rep.

Now what I have the most issues with is cosmetics. I have a nearly full wardrobe, but a ton of clothes and armor that vastly exceeds what I can put in the wardrobe. I don't even have space to unpack some of my armor sets from the more recent pre-orders. The folks that design the cosmetics do a really good job, and their work should be celebrated. However, I have way more stuff then I have room for, and I find myself keeping low level unbound armor because I like the look, and may want to use it some day. Can we "unlock" looks via the world drops then have the option to buy that look from Laila's market for in game gold/silver? Even better, unlock a class of armor which could be purchaseable for mithril coins for lower level alts (for instance, you receive lvl 10 padded dwarf shoulder guards, and these could then be bought by an equal level alt) ? That would clean up a huge amount of my bank space where things are being kept only for potential alts or for looks. We could "buy back" the looks of some of the quest drops as well - I know the dunlending quest rewards were beautifully designed. I would love to free up the space to remove some of the items that are in my vault but am worried that I'll sell something, then remove it from my wardrobe forgetting I don't have it in inventory anymore. You could limit it to only those armor pieces the character or account has received.

I concur with all as well as the desire to have automatic sorting bags.. ability to designate bags permanently as "crafting items", "potions and food," etc. I spend hours just sorting. I'm already a clutter bug in rl. thanks for asking! Oh, and knowing whether to keep something at all such as barter items, or "runekeepers and minstrels collect these items" for what? Will I ever use them? Give me a hint already...

A few things that I saw that I agree with:

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Originally Posted by RuralDeliveryRouteGrams

Its a minor detail thing but it would be nice if when removing a stackable item it was always removed from the smallest stack of that type of thing in your bags. For example, if you had a stack of 12 hides and a stack of 100 hides and you crafted two hides to a piece of leather the two hides always came from the smaller stack of 12 before pulling from the full stack.

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Originally Posted by Grimdi

- reduce number of overall (junk) items
- allow quest rewards in pending lootbag or overflow

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This is what I'd like the most -- remove the vendor trash. I'm just going to sell it anyway, why even bother with giving me the item in the first place? Just increase the cash for the baddie in the first place and save me the trouble of selling it. That'll result in forest creatures carrying even more cash in their pockets, but hey, who wants/needs reality?

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Originally Posted by oj009

The one thing that annoys me about inventory and bags is when there are no free slots, but you have a quest reward or harvest material or something of that ilk to be added to a current stack in the bags. It won't let you complete the quest or harvest the item unless there is a free slot. You run around to sell/ vault or throw away something to get a free slot only to have the item added to the stack leaving you with a free slot when you didn't need to free it up in the first place. Please can you have items add to a stack within a bag without having to free up unnecessary space.

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And as many others have suggested, the third age legacy items need to be reduced. I would like to see far fewer legacy items but have them be more powerful and impressive instead of always trying to find a way to get rid of them in a productive manner. They are supposed to be powerful artifacts of legend and they end up being far less useful than a sandwich or something. I'd hand them out to hobbit children if the game would let me.

"Here ya go Timmy. I found this sword in Moria and took it off some Orc Chieftain or something and this other sword was used by a wight to kill hundreds of men. I'm sure they're all perfectly safe, hardly any chance to corrupt your soul or anything. Just don't hit your sister with it."

Overall, great game guys and it has been a lot of fun.

a very important feature would be to add a button to "auto arrange" in bags, bags and many vaults are a mess, it would help better management of items.

I do not think I have any new idea to contribute with, but let me just say that I would very much like to see all items stackable. It is sad, especially when you are leveling in Crafts, that you can stack the raw materials but not the product. Makes no sense. Running off to sell stuff every round of crafting is a waste of effort.

The current implementation is also lacking, since you can stack Farming products but not Smithing.

crafting items,tasks,potions,tokens,bat tle and warding lores scrolls, food should stack to 300-500

not sure what everyone else thinks about this

I came back to the game after a hiatus, and found out I'd missed an update wherein guilds were added to the crafting grind. I found myself without a guilded cook, so I made a new toon and Yeoman'd him up. I found after awhile I could not level this toon as he had no bag space. Between cooking and farming mats I was constantly looking for bag space.

After a second account magically appeared in my login screen I made a pantry. She was just supposed to hold farming mats and veggie/grains for my cook. I now have 2 cooks who have no storage.

If I am at the oven I should be getting my recipe necessities from a real pantry near said oven. If I want to make something I can pull out the recipe and check the pantry for appropriate materials. After purchase from vendor or reaping a crop the cook could go to the oven and open her pantry and an inventory option to store all would put all that stuff for cooking away. My cook recipe would take ingredients directly from either pantry or inventory, inventory first. Ideally I would like to be able to set permissions for this pantry like housing vaults but that is prolly over the top.

I think I would settle for a housing item for craft mats. Standard could buy 1 mats locker. Deluxe gets 2 lockers and kin gets 4.

Side note:
We asked for more storage in housing. We, and by we I mean me especially, said "I'd pay real money for..." When the price of the additional storage came out I was furious. I joined the camp of never-buying-tp-again camp. Turbine did exactly what I asked for and I balked. For those of you who forgot you would pay real money for more housing storage, wtfu. My apologies, Turbine. I have recently followed through on my part of the bargain. Be careful what you ask for... or put yer money where yer mouth is.

Most of what I am seeing in my day-to-day inventory management comes down to TIME. I want to play the game, not alt-hop to find something i need that i dont have room for in shared storage. I have 9 characters with all professions at top tier.

The single largest inventory update i would like to see would be an account wide crafting bag. I think the best implementation of this has been Guild Wars 2 and Star Wars: The Old Republic. Being not only able to craft from my vault, but being able to send "collectibles" or craft items to my vault in the field. This would be amplified by removing stack quantity, which is the second biggest inventory issue i see. While 100 seems like a lot, if you are gather nodes while questing or specifically gathering to advance an entire tier, it would be much better to have no stack limit. If you are going to sell or trade a certain amount, THEN you can go ahead to split it with the current split method. Along with the stack quantity, could you remove how many different types of task items there are? I think you only need one per zone. Even in Helm's Deep where there are 2 factions, I should be able to use the sane item for both factions - just deciding who I want to turn it in to. Or remove the task items for rep and just go back to rep item drops and in place of task items increase the amount of money dropped by a mob? I think it is easy enough to quest without using tasks.

Next I would like to see what has already been posted about with the removal of Third Age drops and move to a stackable item drop or barter drop. I did not mind bartering for the item I want rather than destroying tons of LIs that i cant use. Related to LIs, I have noticed that item experience runes not only take up a lot of room in inventory it also take a long time to use them all. I think an IXP pool would be nice. When you want to level one you could select the amount of XP you want to use and create a rune with the selected amount. (maybe that feature could be a crafted one?)

remove the multitude of different types of morale and power potions. Maybe 18 TOTAL types. 9 that drop in the one world and 9 crafted that are not just marginally better, but significantly better. I have 5 different power potions on my champ that are close in the amount that they restore. The ones that drop in the open world could be bought from Healers.

on a semi-related note: could we see an updated UI in regards to scaling? Scaling past 1 just makes everything blurry. On larger screens (i.e 2560x1440) it can be tough to read things and spot items in inventory.

Apologies if this has been suggested as I have no had time to read all posts but...

I would like to see say a 60 slot bag attached to the crafting panel.
Therefore some of the more used crafting items could be stored in here (saving vault space) and also not have to be moved to char bags in order to craft.
You should be able to move items into this bag while on the move (in an infinite pending state say) until you next reach a crafting area where you can either use, remove or store.

Also, I agree that another refresh of the vendor trash items and also let everything stack to 999. Can't understand why this has never been done, unless it is a database problem.

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Originally Posted by lele0511sd

a very important feature would be to add a button to "auto arrange" in bags, bags and many vaults are a mess, it would help better management of items.

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This would be difficult, because I like to arrange my bags and vault differently from how you like to. If your bags and vault are a mess, maybe you should spend some time organizing. ;)

I also suggest stacking the items in your bags/vault to higher amounts. If it could stack to 999 as has been suggested before, then you would not need more spaces. And if people are wondering why 999 and not 1000, that is due to the programming as it is easier to change it from 100 to 999, rather than to increase it to 1000. I dont think, bigger bags are the answer as a lot of players like to play with one bag open where they have pots and other consumables that they use regularly and keep them in the bag rather than taking up quickslot spaces. it is easier to click on them if the bag is open rather than having to open the bag first. If the bags were made bigger, then they would take up more screen space. As i said earlier, stacking items to 999 would mean less bag space will be needed.

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Originally Posted by dt192

1) Make everything stack to a standard amount, 128 or whatever your current database design allows for is fine, also make all items stackable e.g. I have 5 Helms of Awesomeness in my bag, they show as a stack of 5 Helms of Awesomeness taking up one slot.

2) Single use recipes should be listed in the crafting panel, e.g. I have opened and learned 5 recipes for Helm of Awesomeness, when I look at Helm of Awesomeness in the crafting panel it says I can make up to 5 that way I wouldn't waste 50 vault slots holding single use recipes on each toon....or just make all the single use recipes standard recipes instead.

3) I would like to see a filter added (like the one on our maps) where I can choose to receive coins (like the ones in hobbit presents) instead of the items, so there would be an option on the bag that brings up the filter list

Armour/weapons uncommon
Armour/weapons rare
Legendary Items
Task Items
Trophies
Rep Items

so if I was just grinding an area for rep and didn't want other junk I would untick the first five and would only receive stackable coins (in place of the items) plus rep items, obviously the filter list would have more categories, also people with the barter wallet would get the coin straight to their gold balance instead of needing to vend the stackable coins

4) Allow us to accept coin to the value of the most expensive thing being offered as a quest reward instead of an item, e.g. you have 3 items offered as a quest reward but you don't want any of them, the most expensive one is worth 30 silver, you can choose to just take the 30 silver, again this would be in stackable coin for people without the barter wallet and straight to gold balance for people with it

5) When at a vendor the ability to right click an item in your bag to vend it rather than having to search for it in the vendor sell tab

6) A separate crafting vault for hides, gems, wood, ore, ingots, crafting boosts, crafting rep items, shards, flakes, tools, recipes, scroll cases etc, anything crafting related

7) XP runes should go to your barter wallet if you have one and you should be able to use the runes through the LI panel

8) Slotted LIs should just vanish upon slotting, and you should be able to pick which ones you currently use through the LI panel, rather than having to carry them around in your bags

9) Quest items should not go into your bags, it should just be assumed that you have the item, and they can be useable from the quest tracker as they are now

10) Trophies, I don't have a good idea for dealing with these but I have a whole vault full of them so clearly they need dealing with

11) Have slots for potions and fishing rod in player panel, so that you don't have to store them in your bags, then have them usable through skills, e.g. I see that my moral potion skill is greyed out, so I buy a stack of Eorlingas Athelas Essences, open my player panel, slot them and my skill is now usable again, also reduce the amount of potions to levels 15,25,35,45,55,65,75,85,95.... further more instead of having lots of different types of potions you could just have a universal potion for each of those levels so for example i see that my power and moral skills are greyed out i buy a stack of 100 lvl 95 universal potions, split the stack to 2 lots of 50, slot 50 in the moral slot and 50 in the power slot, and then I am able to use my moral skill 50 times and power skill 50 times, but if i ran out of moral uses first i could just open the player panel, unslot some of the potions in the power slot and put them in the moral slot, or the fear or wound slot for example

12) 'Unattach All' option for your mail, which also deletes any mail that just had an item attached and no body text, also ability to post account bound items to alts, also ability to mail multiple items

13) There should be an option to auto de-construct relic items instead of receiving them in your bag, also an 'auto combine all' button at the relic master to auto combine all of the currently selected tier

14) Make everything that is bound, account bound, I see no reason why if i do a raid on my hunter and nice gold captain item drops that i cant roll for it and if i win pass it to my captain, it is me that did the raid so if i want to use something on another toon then i should be able to, I really cant think of any reason why i should not be able to pass any item between alts, It's my work that earned the item and i should be able to use it on any of my alts, this would also fix the problem with store bought, hobbit presents and normal items having different bindings and not stacking

15) Ability to use a stack of an item, such as rep items for e.g. you long press your mouse button on a stack of rep items and a dialogue opens asking 'are you sure you want to use 50 Wicked Daggers?'

16) Write the HugeBags plugin into the game properly, it gives you one large sortable, filterable bag plus the ability to search across alts vaults and bags from any alt

17) Reduce the insane TP prices on storage, shared storage costs way too much, vault extensions are per character and cost way too much, I have 9 toons, I would pay 95TPs for a per character or 495TPs account wide for a 15 slot upgrade, shared storage I would pay 95TPs per upgrade

Fixes) [a] currently you can end up with many copies of the same quest item in your item overflow [b] when you are trading between two people, you cannot swap 2 items for 2 items for example while your bags are full, you also cannot throw away items while your trade panel is open to make space and the same problem when accepting quest rewards which don't add to the stack due to your full bag

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+1 to all of this, especially the cost of storage.

An Account-wide Crafting wallet with unlimited stack sizes (so you only have 1 stack of khazad skarn) with a tab for each profession including the gathering professions (prospector, forester, and farmer) that all materials go into automatically when they are picked up, are used from automatically when crafting, and can be manually removed for selling on the AH.

This could be a premium item in the store, priced probably at 2495 TP and I would purchase it immediately, and without hesitation.

1) As people previously mentioned make a crafting vault shared among all alts in which all crafting materials will be stored automatically upon looting and it will be accessible like a normal bag without having to get to a vault keeper. This will save a lot of time from players looking for their mats in 6-10 different vaults of their alts.

2) An option to lock an item right from the inventory with a "right click - lock item" option.

These two and bag space management will get a lot easier.