Best Players

Beorning: All bad
Burglar: Alsander
Captain: Thurman
Champion: Shiroyasha
Hunter: Yertle
Loremaster: All bad
Minstrel: All bad
Rune-Keeper: All bad
Warden: All bad

Only legit list in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Hejazia

Only listing people who actually provide good contributions to group and are not raidbabies at the same time (going to ignore people who just sit at 1v1s all day). Tried to be impartial about this list while also not handing out participation awards. I haven't seen every single player in the moors, especially with transfers still going, so there is still going to be bias involved. So here is my list of people who I would not be opposed to grouping with because they have displayed a certain level of competence that I deem worthy of recognition. This is not me only listing my friends or my tribe because half of these people don't even like me.


Beorning: Stillbeorn. (Every other beorning runs around soloing in heals so... this was kind of a default)
Burglar: Aenise, Jetsu.
Captain: Trystren, Cuath, Ryzer, Nimdial.
Champion: Meldo, Kilganon, Aarodir, Eliadon, Thurd.
Guardian: Rahgod. (I haven't seen Gosmith out in a while so I'm just going to say he's inactive)
Hunter: Bammy.
Loremaster: Docvon.
Minstrel: Uwish, Exposition. (Too bad Redcoats-1 is permabanned, otherwise I would have listed him)
Rune-Keeper: Eef, Exclusiive-1, Enzaraen.
Warden: Eathradhor, Literally. (IDK if Eath will ever go for R15, but that [Revered Warden's Earring] tho!)


Reaver: Pranceswithwargs, Agonyy. (I haven't been paying attention to this class at all, so I just randomly named 2 people high ranked reavers I've grouped with)
Spider: Domestic. (I've heard that Rubberduckie quit the game)
Warg: Meldops, Variation, Thegreatblackwarg.
Warleader: Apostle, Murkatop, Ratofwar. (Alphabetical order and clearly saving the best for last)
BA: Hellseye, Barrowor-1 (Also another class that I pay no attention to so I picked 2 people who do 6v6s)
Defiler: Flaws, Ezmoding.

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Props to being impartial, can definitely tell you tried your hardest xD. I only see Uwish target forward heal so I would have put exposition before him (given I would have put him before anyone regardless of Uwish target forward heals). Also, for spider I would definitely consider Eli's spider, I'm sure you've seen the recent 6v6 against Illuminati for proof.

Cappy I would have said Adacyn and remove all the others (maybe you haven't seen him much?)

I'll make one soon though but figured I'd just hear what you think about my comments above ^

Beorning: heck if I know
Burglar: Aenise best damage, Jetsu best for coordinated CC
Captain: Adacyn, Kovac are you out there?
Champion: Meldo, Kilganon, Eliadon (in no particular order, just top 3)
Guardian: Rahgod. pls stop praying to rngeezus at the end of our open field 1v1's tho :(
Hunter: Bralleg
Loremaster: None solo, so for groups whoever can keep SI on the mini
Minstrel: Exposition (has the most saves against any of what I believe to be my best coordinated bursts, and scares the #### out of me when I see him healing the group I'm fighting)
Rune-Keeper: Gurdstan would be impossible to kill if he used his animation kiting to make himself untouchable. Crodrargbor / Wannabeapirate for best low health pool RK
Warden: Dishonesty (bad leader - but never misses a deso!)


Reaver: Pranceswithwargs (about as big of an asset to dps as you can get once she's in your group, given, she can't solo at all :P), Aznak (solo/1v1s)
Spider: Rubberduckie-1 for raids, Eliadon / Firemind's spider for small group/6v6
Warleader: Ratofwar (no explanation needed)
BA: Hellseye, Barrowor-1 (hellseye for pure damage, barrowor for knowing how to counter the freeps we're fighting since he is one)
Defiler: Ezmoding, Gashratt

Wouldn't deny if you think its biased, but I'm happy to argue for any of these people. My entire creep list is my tribe and imo whether you hate me or my tribe the best you're gonna get is with those players I listed (whether freep or creep).

~Mal

There's no particular order in my list (as you can see, I put Eliadon above Thurd for no apparent reason). Just named the first people that came to mind, first.
As for the suggestions you made, I'm not going to amend my list just because I didn't name enough DeI. I'm not here to give out participation awards, as you clearly did. Just some examples below to illustrate my point.

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Originally Posted by Shilark

Crodrargbor / Wannabeapirate for best low health pool RK
Barrowor-1 (barrowor for knowing how to counter the freeps we're fighting since he is one)

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Best low health pool RK....... yeah.
"Knowing how to counter the freeps since he is one" Wow, no ####ing way. So he's just like... half of the people who pvp in this game.

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Originally Posted by Shilark

My entire creep list is my tribe and imo whether you hate me or my tribe the best you're gonna get is with those players I listed (whether freep or creep).

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Alright let's make a freep group with these people. Dishonesty leading with Adacyn, Bralleg, Crodrargbor, Eliadon and Exposition healing. 4 DPS and 1 support and 1 healer. That's the best you're gonna get folks!

lmao its not like Hej didnt name any DeI, he just didnt name enough DeI according to Mal

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Originally Posted by Hejazia

Best low health pool RK....... yeah.
"Knowing how to counter the freeps since he is one" Wow, no ####ing way. So he's just like... half of the people who pvp in this game.

Alright let's make a freep group with these people. Dishonesty leading with Adacyn, Bralleg, Crodrargbor, Eliadon and Exposition healing. 4 DPS and 1 support and 1 healer. That's the best you're gonna get folks!

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Yeah, it's saying it was a note to the fact that he can do well without having to stack 40-50k morale.

With barrowor, I should have been more specific, but what I had in mind was the fact that he plays a mini very well and therefore knows exactly how to time his dps skills against minstrels that are healing (which is how you kill things 95% of the time, outdpsing mini's, that is). Also, he knows how to stay on top of them for gash stuns (even when they try to kite) when necessary, and does so without me asking for him to do it.

As for the "best you can get" comment, it was meant to include an LM that plays well, I just don't want to say any are "the best" because you can be "the best" without being amazing, which I believe to be the current situation with LMs. Also, I don't know how to formulate the best freep group composition in the same way I know how to do it for creep, but what I meant for the freep set up is use those players and make the best group comp you can with it, and give them the best gear you can. If you put those players in the best group composition possible and give them the best gear possible, they will take advantage of it the most.

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Originally Posted by xxSniperxx

lmao its not like Hej didnt name any DeI, he just didnt name enough DeI according to Mal

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I only made one suggestion to the spider he chose in suggesting DeI members. I've heard from a lot of people about Domestic in group play and what I hear is that he is very good at power draining. I have heard other things as well (both good and bad). It's just that I've seen Eliadon's ability on spider in small group and 6v6 and he can do far more than just power drain, including everything up to the top level of coordination, which is what I would be looking for from a spider in a best of class post where

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Originally Posted by Hejazia

good contributions to group

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are the primary factor in deciding.

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Originally Posted by Shilark

As for the "best you can get" comment, it was meant to include an LM that plays well, I just don't want to say any are "the best" because you can be "the best" without being amazing, which I believe to be the current situation with LMs.

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For what it's worth, Docvon is probably the best LM on any NA server that I've seen, whether grouped or solo. Only LM I've lost to in over 6 months open field (ignoring one run in with Juanconnery about 4 months back where I ended up doing 165k damage, 105k from Fire Shield).

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Originally Posted by Spilo

For what it's worth, Docvon is probably the best LM on any NA server that I've seen, whether grouped or solo. Only LM I've lost to in over 6 months open field (ignoring one run in with Juanconnery about 4 months back where I ended up doing 165k damage, 105k from Fire Shield).

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Yeah, for sure. He was definitely on the top of my head, I just personally haven't seen him out enough lately to say for sure that he is at the top level like I can for a lot of the other players I listed.

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Originally Posted by Shilark

Yeah, for sure. He was definitely on the top of my head, I just personally haven't seen him out enough lately to say for sure that he is at the top level like I can for a lot of the other players I listed.

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can you please explain for me how someone like rigga is 'at the top' because he can land deso?

you're a joke.

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Originally Posted by Ripado

can you please explain for me how someone like rigga is 'at the top' because he can land deso?

you're a joke.

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Leave it to fractal to get jealous as #### over a forum post. I didn't mention a word about people saying you are good. ( even though you took 6 minutes to kill my reaver all out) yashraj 2.0... Only difference you know safeguard and persevere and don't turn like a truck

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Originally Posted by Ripado

can you please explain for me how someone like rigga is 'at the top' because he can land deso?

you're a joke.

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Lol, it was my excuse for getting to call him a bad leader. In other words, me just trolling rigga, so cheers for taking it so serious.. lol

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Originally Posted by Shilark

Lol, it was my excuse for getting to call him a bad leader. In other words, me just trolling rigga, so cheers for taking it so serious.. lol

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But mal you and I both know I can't lead. Ps fractal is just seeking your approval

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Originally Posted by Shilark

I only made one suggestion to the spider he chose in suggesting DeI members. I've heard from a lot of people about Domestic in group play and what I hear is that he is very good at power draining. I have heard other things as well (both good and bad). It's just that I've seen Eliadon's ability on spider in small group and 6v6 and he can do far more than just power drain, including everything up to the top level of coordination, which is what I would be looking for from a spider in a best of class post where are the primary factor in deciding.

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My exposure to Aznakwitsomelegs is limited to Youtube videos recorded from the point-of-view of a reaver or warg. If you mean calling out CC and dropping webs, every spider who talks on voice can do that including Domestic.


I saw the latest video, but let's be honest Illuminati gave a relatively easy fight. Very early on the 50k morale RK died through Fellowship's Heart. Then halfway through the second fight a flayer warg, reaver, and spider killed the 50k RK while the BA was still dead. Albeit it was a pretty big Impale, but didn't even need an initial VT... ### these things shouldn't even be happening. I slowed down that part to 0.25x speed and I could see that Elze wasn't being CCed, he just simply could not outheal that damage. Even Eledi could have outhealed that FFS. The only thing missing is a slow-mo "take the ####ing d###" from Mal.

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Originally Posted by Ripado

you're a joke.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SiHNFIJ7-c

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Originally Posted by Hejazia

My exposure to Aznakwitsomelegs is limited to Youtube videos recorded from the point-of-view of a reaver or warg. If you mean calling out CC and dropping webs, every spider who talks on voice can do that including Domestic.


I saw the latest video, but let's be honest Illuminati gave a relatively easy fight. Very early on the 50k morale RK died through Fellowship's Heart. Then halfway through the second fight a flayer warg, reaver, and spider killed the 50k RK while the BA was still dead. Albeit it was a pretty big Impale, but didn't even need an initial VT... ### these things shouldn't even be happening. I slowed down that part to 0.25x speed and I could see that Elze wasn't being CCed, he just simply could not outheal that damage. Even Eledi could have outhealed that FFS. The only thing missing is a slow-mo "take the ####ing d###" from Mal.

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I'm not sure if you're mentioning the mini not being CC'd to say Eli isn't that great or to say that the fight was not very challenging, maybe both.. but either way if it's the first, it's likely the LM gave the mini SI at the time, and it's Dam's job to stun the mini, not Eli.

Anyway, I think being the top spider (or most useful/resourceful) requires a full well rounded knowledge of the game mechanics, such as who does the most damage and how to counter each class at the most detailed level. Eli is a total nerd with all that stuff and knows how to time his CC/debuffs and knows when to switch to help with damage when its necessary in order to do every utility a spider can do to its maximum ability. That's not just "talking on voice." It's the little things that count and to me, Eli has shown he does the best job at capitalizing on those. However, Domestic has shown those same characteristics to you, so each of us has our own opinion, which is fine. I just wanted to hear your opinion on the matter and was wondering if you had considered Eli, similar to how Spilo noted to me about Docvon regarding LMs.

Hej, Mal, and Riggatortoise are such ####ing losers and carcinogens. Hej should be planning his next attack, Mal should be calling people out for being K K K members, and Rigga should be getting r a p e d by his father. Priorities friends priorities

~Your friendly neighbor

TIME FOR A NEW LIST

Runekeeper - Ziggi/Eef
Champion - Meldo
Burglar - Aneise/Jetsu
Minstrel - Ratslayer/Host
Loremaster - Docvon
Hunter - Bammy/Bralleg
Captain - Trystren
Beorn - Non existent
Warden - Eathradhor
Guardian - Rahgod/Gosmith

Warg - Meldops/TGBW
Warleader - Non existent
Blackarrow - Bowlash-1
Spider - Gosmith
Reaver -Agonyy
Defiler - Creepyhealer

Whole server is bad though.

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Originally Posted by WillyWanka

Hej, Mal, and Riggatortoise are such ####ing losers and carcinogens. Hej should be planning his next attack, Mal should be calling people out for being K K K members, and Rigga should be getting r a p e d by his father. Priorities friends priorities

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Meanwhile, Duskyy is working on his online dating game.

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Originally Posted by Hejazia

Meanwhile, Duskyy is working on his online dating game.

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Indeed, getting tips from hej on how to blow a girl's mind :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by WillyWanka

Hej, Mal, and Riggatortoise are such ####ing losers and carcinogens. Hej should be planning his next attack, Mal should be calling people out for being K K K members, and Rigga should be getting r a p e d by his father. Priorities friends priorities

~Your friendly neighbor

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How does it feel to know you sound more R E T A R D E D than our boy fractal?

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Originally Posted by Riggamortiz

How does it feel to know you sound more R E T A R D E D than our boy fractal?

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Shut up Riggatortoise. Fractal is pretty chill actually

not multi quoting so..

rigga why would i be jealous? aren't you the one that goes round anonymously asking who is the best warden, only to hear my name instead of yours?
and why are you lying about your reaver... you can't dps through a single resto and it took like 2 minutes each fight to put over 400k into you and then kill you. i finished at full morale for all of the 5 or 6 times you tried to come and gank me. the fact that you're so clearly trying to make yourself seem better is... sorry who is seeking whom for approval?

mal tell me what the actual #### was the point of making a list if you're going to compromise its integrity (lol) with 'trolling'. stop trying so hard dude.

hej you can keep linking that video and ganking me after spars on my champ when i'm at <1k morale but all it does is keep telling me that /this/ is the result of constantly being told that i'm a better warden and more valuable player than you in general, by our friends no less. also explain, please, how going from warden to champ is fotm? and how you farming your warden up at isen (statistically a much more risky place to farm, btw) is any different? not even going to get into how excited you got when you posted it lmfao... sorry but it's a bit tragic me old mate, and i'm a bit tired of your inferiority complex tbh :/



anyone who makes one of these abhorrent lists is arrogant beyond belief (yes, a funny statement coming from me but it's different so whatever). what are you trying to achieve, are you advertising for your kin/tribe/group of friends? i've never seen a single one not filled with the poster's mates almost exclusively, which by their very nature are all contradictory and therefor not factually accurate. there are so... so many variables that go into determining 'best', not least of all the utterly subjective nature of it fundamentally.

stop pretending your opinions matter, and stop the cancer that is 'best of' lists.

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Originally Posted by Ripado

mal tell me what the actual #### was the point of making a list if you're going to compromise its integrity (lol) with 'trolling'. stop trying so hard dude.

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B/c rigga is in my channel while I'm making the list and I want to have a trolling battle with him after I tell him my list is done. You're obviously taking the warden spot more serious than anyone else so it's kinda funny you are talking about people being arrogant.

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Originally Posted by Ripado

im so mad right now m8

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http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/in....w529.h352.jpg

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not multi quoting so..

rigga why would i be jealous? aren't you the one that goes round anonymously asking who is the best warden, only to hear my name instead of yours?
and why are you lying about your reaver... you can't dps through a single resto and it took like 2 minutes each fight to put over 400k into you and then kill you. i finished at full morale for all of the 5 or 6 times you tried to come and gank me. the fact that you're so clearly trying to make yourself seem better is... sorry who is seeking whom for approval?

mal tell me what the actual #### was the point of making a list if you're going to compromise its integrity (lol) with 'trolling'. stop trying so hard dude.

hej you can keep linking that video and ganking me after spars on my champ when i'm at <1k morale but all it does is keep telling me that /this/ is the result of constantly being told that i'm a better warden and more valuable player than you in general, by our friends no less. also explain, please, how going from warden to champ is fotm? and how you farming your warden up at isen (statistically a much more risky place to farm, btw) is any different? not even going to get into how excited you got when you posted it lmfao... sorry but it's a bit tragic me old mate, and i'm a bit tired of your inferiority complex tbh :/



anyone who makes one of these abhorrent lists is arrogant beyond belief (yes, a funny statement coming from me but it's different so whatever). what are you trying to achieve, are you advertising for your kin/tribe/group of friends? i've never seen a single one not filled with the poster's mates almost exclusively, which by their very nature are all contradictory and therefor not factually accurate. there are so... so many variables that go into determining 'best', not least of all the utterly subjective nature of it fundamentally.

stop pretending your opinions matter, and stop the cancer that is 'best of' lists.

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All pretty accurate if you ask me.

For me I always no I win when someone replies with the typical "you are mad" then has a little lol. So with the later replies, you have won against Hej.

Rigga is by far the worst for what Mal just said but he's trying to back up his little buddy. Sad.

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Originally Posted by Hejazia

Beorning: Stillbeorn. (Every other beorning runs around soloing in heals so... this was kind of a default)
Burglar: Aenise, Jetsu.
Captain: Trystren, Cuath, Ryzer, Nimdial.
Champion: Meldo, Kilganon, Aarodir, Eliadon, Thurd.
Guardian: Rahgod. (I haven't seen Gosmith out in a while so I'm just going to say he's inactive)
Hunter: Bammy.
Loremaster: Docvon.
Minstrel: Uwish, Exposition. (Too bad Redcoats-1 is permabanned, otherwise I would have listed him)
Rune-Keeper: Eef, Exclusiive-1, Enzaraen.
Warden: Eathradhor, Literally. (IDK if Eath will ever go for R15, but that [Revered Warden's Earring] tho!)


Reaver: Pranceswithwargs, Agonyy. (I haven't been paying attention to this class at all, so I just randomly named 2 people high ranked reavers I've grouped with)
Spider: Domestic. (I've heard that Rubberduckie quit the game)
Warg: Meldops, Variation, Thegreatblackwarg.
Warleader: Apostle, Murkatop, Ratofwar. (Alphabetical order and clearly saving the best for last)
BA: Hellseye, Barrowor-1 (Also another class that I pay no attention to so I picked 2 people who do 6v6s)
Defiler: Flaws, Ezmoding.

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A nice, unbiased list. Such a breath of fresh air. Didnt know you had it in you.

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Originally Posted by Shilark

Beorning: heck if I know
Burglar: Aenise best damage, Jetsu best for coordinated CC
Captain: Adacyn, Kovac are you out there?
Champion: Meldo, Kilganon, Eliadon (in no particular order, just top 3)
Guardian: Rahgod. pls stop praying to rngeezus at the end of our open field 1v1's tho :(
Hunter: Bralleg
Loremaster: None solo, so for groups whoever can keep SI on the mini
Minstrel: Exposition (has the most saves against any of what I believe to be my best coordinated bursts, and scares the #### out of me when I see him healing the group I'm fighting)
Rune-Keeper: Gurdstan would be impossible to kill if he used his animation kiting to make himself untouchable. Crodrargbor / Wannabeapirate for best low health pool RK
Warden: Dishonesty (bad leader - but never misses a deso!)


Reaver: Pranceswithwargs (about as big of an asset to dps as you can get once she's in your group, given, she can't solo at all :P), Aznak (solo/1v1s)
Spider: Rubberduckie-1 for raids, Eliadon / Firemind's spider for small group/6v6
Warleader: Ratofwar (no explanation needed)
BA: Hellseye, Barrowor-1 (hellseye for pure damage, barrowor for knowing how to counter the freeps we're fighting since he is one)
Defiler: Ezmoding, Gashratt

Wouldn't deny if you think its biased, but I'm happy to argue for any of these people. My entire creep list is my tribe and imo whether you hate me or my tribe the best you're gonna get is with those players I listed (whether freep or creep).

~Mal

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A typical biased list. But at least you admit it.

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Originally Posted by WillyWanka

Indeed, getting tips from hej on how to blow.......

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There's an easy joke in there. Surprise no one jumped at the opportunity to insult someone else.

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Originally Posted by Ripado

hej you can keep linking that video and ganking me after spars on my champ when i'm at <1k morale but all it does is keep telling me that /this/ is the result of constantly being told that i'm a better warden and more valuable player than you in general, by our friends no less. and how you farming your warden up at isen (statistically a much more risky place to farm, btw) is any different? not even going to get into how excited you got when you posted it lmfao... sorry but it's a bit tragic me old mate, and i'm a bit tired of your inferiority complex tbh :/

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You probably got ganked cause you say some pretty dumb, irrational things. Also, I watched you gank some fellow 1v1ers about 2 weeks ago and then ride off back to GV. Both of these have nothing to do with your warden.

Farming is farming and it is a shame that anyone does it (no matter where they do it) However, I can appreciate ones desire for recognition and attention and understand why some people choose to do it.

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Originally Posted by Ripado

anyone who makes one of these abhorrent lists is arrogant beyond belief....

stop pretending your opinions matter

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I found these 2 half sentences amusing when put next to each other.

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Originally Posted by Wilkyy

All pretty accurate if you ask me.

For me I always no I win when someone replies with the typical "you are mad" then has a little lol.

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Wait, I thought you were the creator of "you are mad."