Names in Middle-Earth, Quick Guide

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Originally Posted by Berephon

I don't believe there is, but I'll check. EDIT: After liquids (l and r), t becomes th, so it is Erthur

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Thanks. Why does mor + tirith become Mordirith instead of Morthirith, out of curiosity? :p


Would "Erthalion" be a correctly formed name, and how exactly would the "o" be pronounced?

What is the meaning of the common thing that elvish vendors great you with mean?

i think it sounds something like this: Sue lie melon

i'm guessing its: welcome friend

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Originally Posted by lastalliance

Thanks. Why does mor + tirith become Mordirith instead of Morthirith, out of curiosity? :p


Would "Erthalion" be a correctly formed name, and how exactly would the "o" be pronounced?

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Because it was actually morn not môr that was used. The n drops, but after the t mutation. :)

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Originally Posted by gludayers

Just curious about something, because my dwarf's name is Dagorond. I've seen that 'Dagor' can be either battle or war and I was just curious about the 'ond' part. It's probably nothing that makes sense, but it'd still be cool to have stumbled on a meaningful name.

Also am I correct in surmising that 'Man of War' would Dagoradan?

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I'll check on -ond, but usually in Sindarin names that is part of -gond or -rond.

Your assumption about Dagoradan is correct.

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Originally Posted by Fendrone

What is the meaning of the common thing that elvish vendors great you with mean?

i think it sounds something like this: Sue lie melon

i'm guessing its: welcome friend

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Suillaid, mellon.

Yes, it basically means welcome, friend.

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Unfortunately, nothing, but it sounds good!

Lind means either Song or Singer, or Lîn means Lake, or Lhind is Slender (Lh becomes L at the beginning of the second component of a compound); however, there is nothing for -dorien. I tried to use tor or dor and add a suffix, but -ien isn't an available suffix.

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Berephon, thank you very much (and Cleitanious, too -an E for Effort! :P). I'm pleased and impressed that you continue to take the time to help us out on threads like this.

I'm happy to know that "lind" means song or singer, as my minstrel's name is Lindoryn (which I take to be stressed on the first syllable, or antepenult if you like :)). Can you make anything out of that name? I don't think the -yn ending has any place in Sindarin/Quenya, but I chose it because she's Rohirric, so it seemed to fit. Dunno if it could be taken as derivative or influenced by Sindarin in some meaningful way.

i would like to know the elvish translation for either the following, or a vatiration there of:

poison tip
deathly arrow
swift arrow
cheesecake (completely random, i know)



also, i had to dig through my old emails from when this thread was still active to find it (im subscribed to it as i found it very interersting) can we please get it stickied or hall of famed

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Originally Posted by andulinde

Berephon, thank you very much (and Cleitanious, too -an E for Effort! :P). I'm pleased and impressed that you continue to take the time to help us out on threads like this.

I'm happy to know that "lind" means song or singer, as my minstrel's name is Lindoryn (which I take to be stressed on the first syllable, or antepenult if you like :)). Can you make anything out of that name? I don't think the -yn ending has any place in Sindarin/Quenya, but I chose it because she's Rohirric, so it seemed to fit. Dunno if it could be taken as derivative or influenced by Sindarin in some meaningful way.

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Sorry, couldn't even make anything of it in Old English (Lind is lime-tree there, by the way).

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Originally Posted by skorpion352

i would like to know the elvish translation for either the following, or a vatiration there of:

poison tip
deathly arrow
swift arrow
cheesecake (completely random, i know)



also, i had to dig through my old emails from when this thread was still active to find it (im subscribed to it as i found it very interersting) can we please get it stickied or hall of famed

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Poison tip (point) = Saewaeg, Saenas, Saenaith, or Saedil
Deathly arrow (deadly point, no word for arrow or deathly) = Delunas, Delunaith, or Deludil
Swift arrow (point) = Celegaeg, Celegnas, Celegnaith, or Celegdil
Cheesecake (sweet cake, no word for cheese) = Lengram, Meluigram

Berephon, you've said before that you have access to the largest sindarin lexicon. Has your version of the sindarin lexicon been published? Ie, is there somewhere the rest of us can purchase it?

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Originally Posted by arinthros

Berephon, you've said before that you have access to the largest sindarin lexicon. Has your version of the sindarin lexicon been published? Ie, is there somewhere the rest of us can purchase it?

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It has indeed. David Salo's A Gateway to Sindarin. The paperback runs about 31.50 on Amazon. The hardback is currently unavailable (I got it for 50.00 on Amazon.)

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Poison tip (point) = Saewaeg, Saenas, Saenaith, or Saedil
Deathly arrow (deadly point, no word for arrow or deathly) = Delunas, Delunaith, or Deludil
Swift arrow (point) = Celegaeg, Celegnas, Celegnaith, or Celegdil
Cheesecake (sweet cake, no word for cheese) = Lengram, Meluigram

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thank you berephon, my hunter can now change is surname.

also, its a pitty there is no word for cheese and it strikes me as odd that elves wouldnt have a word for arrow, when they use bows a lot, but this isnt the thread to debate that (maybe i will create one)

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Originally Posted by skorpion352

thank you berephon, my hunter can now change is surname.

also, its a pitty there is no word for cheese and it strikes me as odd that elves wouldnt have a word for arrow, when they use bows a lot, but this isnt the thread to debate that (maybe i will create one)

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It's not that they don't have a word for arrow . . . it's that the Professor never recorded one (that anyone knows of.) Of course, there's also no Sindarin word for ring either, which is irony at its greatest.

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Originally Posted by Berephon

It's not that they don't have a word for arrow . . . it's that the Professor never recorded one (that anyone knows of.) Of course, there's also no Sindarin word for ring either, which is irony at its greatest.

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indeed that is irony at its greatest. time for me to invent that time machine and go back to make sure he records the word for arrow and makes one for cheese :p

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Originally Posted by Berephon

It's not that they don't have a word for arrow . . . it's that the Professor never recorded one (that anyone knows of.) Of course, there's also no Sindarin word for ring either, which is irony at its greatest.

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If Tolkien never recorded one, doesn't that mean that they don't have a word for arrow or ring, since the only words they have are due to him recording them?:D

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Originally Posted by DreamMaster

If Tolkien never recorded one, doesn't that mean that they don't have a word for arrow or ring, since the only words they have are due to him recording them?:D

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As I said "that anyone knows of." ;) That would be up to the Estate to answer.

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Originally Posted by Berephon

It's not that they don't have a word for arrow . . . it's that the Professor never recorded one (that anyone knows of.) Of course, there's also no Sindarin word for ring either, which is irony at its greatest.

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Would it be possible to make some educated guesses at these Sindarin words by reverse-engineering from Quenya pilin, corma?

If Tolkien said a word in the woods and nobody was there to hear, was there a word? :eek:

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Cheesecake (sweet cake, no word for cheese) = Lengram, Meluigram

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No word for cheese? :mad: Kinda makes me want to delete my Elf right now! :p

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Originally Posted by skorpion352

thank you berephon, my hunter can now change is surname.

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Now we just need some nice, sensible Hobbit names for a Legendary Bow. ;) Not all Hunters are Elves, though it seems like 90% are sometimes. :D

Berephon, according to The Children of Húrin, agarwen means bloodstained, but the guide here indicates it would be blood-maiden (as in Naruhel/Red-maid), which is it, or is it dependant on certain other words being part of the group of words they're a part of? (if this has been asked before, sorry :o)

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Originally Posted by Sylux14

Berephon, according to The Children of Húrin, agarwen means bloodstained, but the guide here indicates it would be blood-maiden (as in Naruhel/Red-maid), which is it, or is it dependant on certain other words being part of the group of words they're a part of? (if this has been asked before, sorry :o)

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Our "agarwen" is a compound of Agar (blood) + Wen (maiden.) Agarwen in Children of Hurin is a simplification of Agarwaen (bloodstained).

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Our "agarwen" is a compound of Agar (blood) + Wen (maiden.) Agarwen in Children of Hurin is a simplification of Agarwaen (bloodstained).

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Hmm, I thought Gwend was the Sindarin word for Maiden.

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Originally Posted by Celestialdemons

Hmm, I thought Gwend was the Sindarin word for Maiden.

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It is, but the g drops in compounds. :)

Still no sticky on this? I lucked out and noticed this thread today! Thanks to whoever bumped it....and PLEASE STICKY!