I'm finding myself in full agreement of this.Quote:
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I'm finding myself in full agreement of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by StavroMuellerBeta
@MrWarg- that is good to hear.
My concern at the moment is the niche group of the most experienced raiders in the game. I am not one of those, but their voices are important.
Three from Landroval are from the large kinship the Lonely Mountain Band, which is light RP; some heavy RPers would not consider them 'real' RP, but that is another debate entirely and not one I am going to get into with this thread :) They were likely selected because they do a lot of community-organized events that are very popular with non-RPers to even some heavy RPers (myself included in the latter), though their focus audience is definitely the lighter crowd IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exion_Blade
I am hoping that Laurelin's and Belegaer's RP representatives are heavier. And I am hoping that someone, anyone, on that council likes /e RP and understands the love of wonderful description =P
So, no, the majority of council members, and people who play this game, are not RPers.
I saw at least three to four names of large Turbine critics, including one from Landroval.Quote:
Originally Posted by trancejeremy
They weren't aiming for an even or proportional number of representatives per world. They just happened to have some on each world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rohan1240
I have a request of the council members. Could you convince Turbine to let you take turns writing (and translating) a short monthly summary of council activities?
I realize this would have to be heavily censored to avoid inappropriate disclosures, but I feel it's important for the community to be periodically reminded that the council is actually doing something.
Perhaps one council member could also volunteer each month to have a profile featured in this report.
Gratz everyone, hope you guys can put Turbine back to its good moments.
Yicky, please try to make Turbine help the PvP soloers too, solo play at moors is almost dead right now. I know the moors have focus on RvsR, but some solo wont hurt nobody, just give moors more diversity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delmore
I believe the Player Council announcement mentioned that council members would "From time to time, be asked to help draft a report on the council’s activities for publication to the entire community."Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredelas
I have a memory of this as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraZYMuffin-IPC
I'm sorry you do not feel represented. I can assure you that, though I do not raid (mostly because of sub-standard hardware), I am aware of some of the Raiding Community's concerns. I agree with them on several points. I plan to advocate for any of the various groups here that have valid concerns. You must have a little patience, though. We've only just been formed. I think we will all have a bit of an adjustment period before things get in full swing. If you have concerns, bring them to us in an appropriate manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by bastiat1
well i guess I can comment on pvmp anyway, but yes guess you'd be right to call me a casual playerQuote:
Originally Posted by bohbashum
Got to hand it to Turbine for including every sub-community. They even included one of our most famous griefers to represent the troll interrests.
43/69 are from North AmericaQuote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
26/69 are from Europe
Some servers have up to 6 representatives
the most active European servers have 1 or 2
Yup :) representative... sure
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Originally Posted by Palentian
yup... you cant do anything... fairly represented we are notQuote:
While we are sharing their names, please remember that council members cannot discuss their actions or activity as a member of the council.
Hopefully those letters will be more common than the "monthly" producer's letters.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraZYMuffin-IPC
If the council has the kind of power that it's implied to have, they should be able to encourage Turbine to get those letters out at least every 1-2 months. If they don't even have the teeth to accomplish that, then it's doubtful that they'll be able to accomplish anything more meaningful than recommending the default color for the My Little Pony costume of the month.
If you see the official letters, you'll know exactly what's being accomplished. If you don't see the letters, "silence speaks louder than words".
You may be aware that I T2 raid on what most people would consider extremely sub-standard hardware. You're certainly welcome to give it a shot sometime and see if you can handle it. I've helped a number of players tweak things so it's comfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palentian
That's an open invite to anyone on Riddermark who may feel their hardware isnt up to snuff, at the very least most players should be able to set foot into T1 without their PC going into total meltdown, and I'd be happy to help do what I can to improve that.
I don't know about the other kins, but I'm pretty sure that no one from my kin even applied.Quote:
Originally Posted by bastiat1
Nah, this isn't just self depreciating. My box gets a good solid 11 fps in Bree and Galtrev. Though i have seen it up to 25 out by myself. In the wilds somewhere. I'd be happy to give it a shot, but I'm afraid I'd get us all killed. I'll get a better one soon, then I'll take you up on that offer. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crell_1
To be fair, the content is identical across servers and countries, so I doubt the concerns are going to be wildly different from one server to another (other than translation issues of course). And if the twitter feed can be believed, the plan was for 43 US, 32 International, so I'd wait for those final slots to be filled before calling out any lack of representation.Quote:
Originally Posted by jevvy
'Grats to the others who made it on.
Noted. I'm sure being that I said PVP, myself and the other pvpers will get loaded with stuff. Bring it ON!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aelonaith
Looking forward to working with the council and others on this! I predict a messy but fun project.
Great, now fix the game.
You're right, you probably wont find the experience very enjoyable in your current state. Sounds like you're on a netbook, and I probably can't eek too much more out of that sadly. I will say that T1 the current raids are undermanable, and I've on more than one occasion given a player special instructions so that they can perform a useful task while not bringing their computer to its knees like it'd normally do if they were doing what the rest of us were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palentian
Hope your new PC will give you the opportunity to look at lotro with new-eyes and enjoy things you may never have imagined taking part in before =)
There's no reason anyone should let their fear of wiping the group stop them from giving raiding a shot. Just be up front to the person leading!
And to you!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcticAurora
This makes me sad. Not a single person who is in a kinship beating the hardest content in a council of this size is incredibly poor form, and quite indicative of the direction this game has taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by bastiat1
We were talking about this in vent. I was joking saying I should have said I was in my 50's instead of 20's and that I had walked my dog daily instead of killing creeps to R15. We concluded that this is the target marketing concept and the hard core players are already hooked to lotro regardless of how the raids change. I guess it was time for market diversification!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarenius
Nonetheless their selection does carry kind, caring and helpful individuals and was stated in prior posts some critics. I suppose we can't have everything.
All that this says was that players from these particular kins were not selected. Does that mean that none of the players on the council have done and completed T2? Maybe they are someone that runs along side the kin but doesn't join. Maybe they used to be in one of those kins. Maybe being that you are using forum posts as a baseline, not all kins that have beat it have posted on the forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarenius
There are many variables. Just because you don't see anyone from those kins in the council, does not mean that the council does not have end game raid players in it.
:)
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Originally Posted by Lestache
I did, TL. :P
I also wrote in my application about wanting to represent the raiding community and for raiders to get not only challenging content, but rewarding them with the best loot in the game because they've put all the work and effort into it.
It does certainly feel like with recent content (hytbold), ease of first ages in skirm camps, etc..that raiders are being phased out or short-changed, if you will.
Adding my thanks for being chosen. Not sure how, but I won't argue it! Can't wait to see what experience I've gained over the past 6 years can be brought to the Council table.
I think the logic is pretty solid. It is very easy for a player to go in under the radar. But to complete T2C of the last few raids you NEED A) A leader and B) 12-14 dedicated hardcore raiders. It is almost impossible to hide all of those players reputations as good players all under the same kin on a server and be downing content and seems absurd none of them would ever talk about it as if they are under some secret mission. I admit making an assumption like he is that nobody (or I would prefer to rephrase it as almost nobody) is on the player council that does T2C is pretty, well as you said kind of dumb because of all the variables. However like I said to beat that content you are simply known as a player, it is how the game works you cannot hide it, you build a reputation whether you talk about it or not. The players in this kins play hours every day walking around, pugging, pvping with random people and they would notice if there was that type of a group capable of beating that content because it is in their competitive nature to do so. (research based side of it). If there was a pug out there that beat Saruman T2C on level or that the community was not aware of I'll walk around the forums naked or do something silly for you all :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Delmore
Rather than speculate, I'd like any of our representatives who consider themselves Raiders, to post here. Hopefully it well help alleviate some concerns.Quote:
Originally Posted by YesMaam
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...51#post6763151
Until the last 5 names are posted, (and based on the lotro tweet we expect them to be international) we won't know for sure who was picked. Maybe we're waiting to hear back from someone in Kreiger or something =)
It's a very good indication of the game's direction. It certainly helped me to better appreciate, having some degree of familiarity with the chosen players, the growing (and soon to be I imagine all encompassing) casualness of the game. I'm not ready to complain though. I know for a fact many raid oriented players, myself included, are guilty of not bothering to apply. I'd guess a good many of other server's raiders are in the same boat...sailing the seas of disenchantment. Similar thoughts regarding PvPers, too...Quote:
Originally Posted by bastiat1
I do find it funny you ended on the exact same note I did though, it is what it is.
valid point. But you and I have known each other for a good long while. I know you are a person that goes for the details. But you missed one. Do you forget that I am and have been in a raiding kin for years? And have had many worlds firsts? We just don't post stuff on the forums anymore :)Quote:
Originally Posted by YesMaam
Now I will say that PVE raiding is not my number one focus anymore as I have not enjoyed it as much as pvp for some time. but I do have some high knowledge as well as contacts in MA, Vanguard, etc that I can work with :) Not including people from other servers such as yourself :)
All of Morgoth's children are in your hands Yicky...
First of all I don't believe they took a look at which kinship people are in :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bastiat1
2nd the group of people that('s) doing/did orthanc/erebor complete on t2c is very small compared to the rest of the player base.. while everybody doing t2 without challenge mode or even doing t1 can also be considered a raider. I think we are respresented well enough for now and we'll see what the player council is able to change/decide/do. We cannot judge something hardly started.
Hobbits don't count.Quote:
Originally Posted by tjoeman01
(Okay, one person from my kin applied. :P)
'Raider' covers a very wide gambit of players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faenyl
You also have to consider, that there are a number of players who would consider some of these 3 Erebor raids to be nothing but glorified skirmishes, some, even less difficult than raid sized skirmishes on T1.
I trust that the players selected, will have our back as a whole, even if we cant point to a specific representative that we think best can advocate our position. After all, I imagine the council members were chosen not only for their well-rounded playstyles but also for their ability to dialogue and reason through many difficult questions and issues they may be called upon to give input. Just because one member is known for their PvMP, doesn't mean that they aren't passionately interested in raiding, or some other system and will advocate unreservedly on its behalf. It's about putting the needs of the many, ahead of the needs of the few, or the one.
Doesn't mean you weren't nominated Lestache. :-) I do know at least one guy from those kins that did apply and was nominated by a few people as well, is a Founder, and has played basically every part of the game for a long time. I know that they had limited slots on the Council, but I still think it shows significant insensitivity to a historically important part of the game community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestache
I'd be interested to see what the main class of each player selected is, and what aspect of the game they consider themselves most involved in.
With all do respect, T2C is a leap from T2 and a giant leap from T1. I'm not asking that half the Council be represented by the progression raiding community. I acknowledge that they are a minority, but frankly so are the role-players, and the PvMP'ers. You would think that at least one prominent and active raiding guild member would get a nod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faenyl
well said (;Quote:
Originally Posted by Crell_1
There's nothing at all "dumb" about it. I set an objective standard. I looked up the kinships of every person on the Council and compared it to every kinship that has beaten the recent hardest content in the game. I made no assertion beyond that objective fact. Hate to tell you, but no one ever has perfect information. You make assertions based on the evidence you have. That's all you can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by YesMaam
A council member /bio thread would be interesting =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fasin
We still have by my reckoning 5 players that haven't replied yet (not surprising considering turbine took an entire extra week). I imagine any alternates lined up and waiting would have similar playstyles.Quote:
Originally Posted by bastiat1
Also, I'd like to remind folk, that just because they weren't chosen for the #lotrocouncil that doesn't mean you might not find a spot in something like the Palantir Private Preview program, if you have an interest http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...eview-Program/
I took the post I quoted as accurate, I haven't checked each player myself. Sure, it is possible there is an ex-member of one of those kins on the council or something similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delmore
Notice I didn't say raiders, I said people who are beating the hardest content. There is a world of difference between those who have beaten FF/Saruman T2C and those who ran an occasional Lightning T2C. Raids like ToO with sections that cater to everyone (& appropriately reward harder fights) are exactly what the end game needs, yet there seems to be no-one on this council who was able to beat the harder parts on level.
I guess it all comes down to how much influence this council has. The current end game content consists of 3 lair raids that offer exactly the same rewards on T1 as they do on T2C. There is absolutely zero reason for anyone to run T2C more than once, which is killing raiding kins (I can't speak for everyone, but in my kin and a number of others interest in raiding is at an all time low less than 2 months after the release of a raid cluster). I sincerely hope there are people on the council who will rally for harder, more frequent and more rewarding raid content, but with the apparent lack of raiders on it and the entitlement culture that seems so prevalent recently ("I facerolled T1 so I deserve the same rewards as those beating T2C") I am worried that the utter mess that is RoR end game will be repeated with Helms Deep.
Well yes.. t2c is a leap from t1 and even t2.. and while I cannot say that I did them world first (nor do I shout 'server first!' into the glff or the forums) I can say that we did most of them finally. The problem in my raid is the fact that real life shows up and we do not always have the perfect constellations nor can we afford to stay at home for 2 months to get a world first (;. I feel however experienced enough to say that I could represent the raiding community if I had applied. What I finally want to say is that a world first or even a complete t2cm is not or shouldn't be a criteria for chosing council members. Under certain circumstances and with the right people on their side almost anybody is able to do this even if our so called 'small' server is offering not as many raiding kins as you would wish. I can't and don't want to judge the selected council members (nobody actually should) but time will show if they were decided well and I'm sure(because I know some of them) there are also raiders(or people able to beat the hardest content if you wish).Quote:
Originally Posted by bastiat1
The whole point of T1 vs. T2 was to make content accessible to people who were unwilling or unable to do hardcore raid content. So no, people who only do T1 content don’t really understand the perspective of position of serious endgame raiders. Whether they picked an appropriate representative of this portion of the playerbase by looking at kin membership or some other criteria isn't the issue. However they did it, these people should have been represented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faenyl
I think a bio thread would be interesting as well! I'd be interested to see how the demographics are spread out.
Bastiat1 wrote:
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"I do know at least one guy from those kins that did apply and was nominated by a few people as well, is a Founder, and has played basically every part of the game for a long time. I know that they had limited slots on the Council, but I still think it shows significant insensitivity to a historically important part of the game community."
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I'm not worried that the founder demographic will be underrepresented. If anything, I'd be less surprised to see too many people representing the old guard - there are a lot of us. I hope that the council also has some fresh sets of eyes as well! :)
Now I'm curious, is everyone listed in a kin?
This pretty much signals the end of end-game raiding as it is. The next raid cluster will probably come next year or right at the end of the year. I doubt Helm's deep is going to be a challenging raid, or even a raid at all. I think Yicky is a good representative for PVP on my server, not so much for PVE. The other guy, maxal - 95% of the population doesn't know who he/she is. He's not from an end game raiding kin, that's for sure. I haven't seen him in any pug groups before. Although this isn't a popularity contest, it sure helps if the selection is at least known to his/her respective server.
With that said, the fact that LOTRO had already given us this 0.0001% droprate for gold crafting recipes that drop from regular level 85 mobs has already signaled the end of end-game raiding.
From my sample a lot (10-20%) were not in kinships. That could be explained by bad data in mylotro or maybe they listed an alt that was kinless while having another character in kins. It could also just be Turbine's way of respecting the play style of people that like MMOs without the M and the other M.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurkerinthemist
Agreed. I am not the person that is prime for PVE. But I will do what I can to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakeprecision123
I certainly aren't, havent been for a few years now and have no immediate plans to join one either. on Eldar we have plenty of opportunity to pug instances if we want to, even in the small hours like now (4am UK) I just got a tell asking me if I wanted to do Iobar's Peak and had I not been doing Battle in the tower tier 3 duo I'd have gone along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurkerinthemist
Congrats to all "the chosen ones" :D
I wonder if all 7 (?) unrevealed names got e-mail saying they were selected, sent reply back but for some reason that info never reached Turbine... :)
"shesgotnyctips".
What the hell? is that a joke?
Names like that got banned or deleted some time ago. Even on a non-RP-Server, a name like that is inappropriate. I thought that the players council in some way is representing the players.
I do NOT feel represented by someone bearing a name like that. Sorry. Obviously, TURBINE has no interest whatsoever in naming rules or lore conformity anymore. I am not a militant, not at all, but a name like that is a no-go.
By The Way....how can someone represent the players community with his char at a max level in the 40's or 50's? Just asking.
Of course, this council should not be made out of raiders only or out of 6-year-players only. But still, I think that if you want contribute in a useful manner, MOST council members shouls be in their 80's at least. If there's one or two that aren't, OK, but I am not sure if it is like that.
Wow. There seems to be much doom and gloom among some of the hard core raiders. That WAS one of the questions asked on the application and I would think at least some who said raiding was their prime focus were picked for the council. Also, keep in mind that just because some on the player council have not cleared T2C mode raids on level doesn't mean that raiding (or even progression raiding) views aren't represented. (Personally, if I ever HAD cleared T2C raids you'd never know about it from reading the progression raiding threads on the forums as I likely wouldn't post about it. I imagine there are others in the same boat.)
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Main: Elebuil, a Hunter
Alts: all other classes at level 85 except Warden (have a lvl 60 and 23)
I play at least a few hours per day and am an officer of a medium (-large-ish?) sized diverse kin on Brandywine (Tolkien's Army of Middle Earth or TAME). I do weekly crafting, often do 3-6-12 mans, occasional (though rare) PvMP (and even more rare creeping) and hold kin events (we were surprised and happy to win most fashionable kinship this year). Most of my grouping is with kin though I do join the odd pug. My wife also plays so am used to solo and duo levelling.
Edit: I've been playing for about 4 years. VIP.
Please send an ingame or website mail if you'd like to contact me as I'm open to hearing from people and look forward to working with other members of the player council. (Hopefully my inbox will not overflow ;) )
Yes because they will need it. I have seen this type of council before and they usualy end in Epic Failure. Star Wars Galaxies had a council that started the same way. Eventualy it had to be completely changed for many reasons but mainly because they served for their own purposes and not the communitys as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hudson7
The way it should be set up is one person for each class, crafting profession, game system (Housing, kinships, instances/raids) The only exception would be PvMP which should have 2 one for Freeps & one for Creeps. Also the community as a whole should be kept in the loop otherwise we end up with a bunch of self-serving players who are dictating how the game should be. The council should also be picked by the community so we don't end up with a bunch of yes men.
I went through most of the list & from that most were 85's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yridiel
Definitely a few names listed that I would have bet my lifetime sub would most certainly be chosen, but I am very glad to see them & not a couple of others that I was expecting...
On another note, can anyone tell me the official way that we are supposed contact a member of the counsel with our ideas/thoughts etc?
Which further invalidates Turbines selection. The newbies, low , and mid levels need to be represented too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eartholloth
Yea but they have all been "newbies, low and mid levels", probably more than once. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Starbuck1771
It doesnt matter anyways the community as a whole is not being supported and whoever decided on this form of player council should be fired because it is not a possitive thing for the game or community. In the end it will only backfire and the players on that list will be hated for being Turbines stooges when things start to go bad. I saw it happen in SWG. But in the end Turbine will have to learn from it's own screw-ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cefely
I'm a hardcore raider and was in many groups that did server first / world first. All those ppl I have met including the other kins are ppl that are competitive in nature and are posting about it just to compare to other kins on other servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by FundinStrongarm
The doom and gloom is coming from the problem that that group of players hasn't felt valued since Isengard and especially since Rohan. t2's are a faceroll while hardcore raiders ask for content they can barely manage, why? because it's what they love to do: challenge themselves to push further. It's in their nature. Now that the council is appointed and actually appearantly none of the members were in kins that did orthanc on level suggests highly that that group is not represented... Saying that raiders can be represented by others that haven't managed to complete orthanc on level suggests a more casual attitude. Why? because hardcore raiders spend hours and hours wiping on nights to complete stuff. They don't mind going deeply into the night raiding to get the hard stuff beaten. They like wipes in a way because it's how they learn and improve. So by not chosing one amongst those means they are not represented. Others saying they can represent them is men saying, don't worry women, I'll stand up for your women's rights. It's not believable and most of all it cannot be done because the understanding isn't there.
This whole discussion shows already the misunderstanding between the groups and will only widen the gap and will actually make the hardcore raiders feel more underrepresented. Not understanding this mindset of raiders, which is different from the so called casuals, is the problem. Ofcourse you can say you are, but your actions will show don't they. Does it mean that ppl can't consider them hardcore raiders? ofcourse not and I"m not saying you can't call yourself a hardcore raider either. I'm merely pointing out that there's a world beyond a word and title where actually a mindset, attitude and actions are more valid. Something that is easily overlooked. So instead of saying: I can represent hardcore raiders because I raid too won't do. You have to show it, and to be honest... if you haven't completed a t2c erebor raid by now then it kinda suggests a different nature from the hardcore raiders I'm talking about. Saying they won't post is just not true, because it's against their nature (highly competitive so Always looking to compare to see if they're winning...).
sorry for the long post, but I felt it was needed because there seems to be a lot of arguments going back and forth about raiders, casuals, elitist etc. It's not needed if we actually just admit who we are and try to understand eachother. Accepting yourself is a fine start and then there will be room for all :)
well, my philosofical input for this morning and haven't even had wine yet :P
Congratz to all who were selected.
Because Turbine wants their personal opinions not that of the community as a whole. As for SWG it is relevant because they are doing exactly what SOE did. In the end it always ends badly for these types of groups because it is a negative program that goes against the community as a whole by focusing on a select fews opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cefely
Good grief! Shall we let the Council actually assemble and get started before we proclaim its doom?? Oh ye of little faith...
With this attitude, the Fellowship would have never left Rivendell and Sauron would have ruled the day! ;)
I am amazed that you have the audacity to try and make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashloiren
Don't you understand what's at stake here?
A *select few*? I hardly think 75 people is a a *few*. and from what I know of the people I am familiar with on the list, all game interests are represented. I know a few of the new Council members personally and I can guarantee they are not *yes* men/women. How about you give them a chance to get started?Quote:
Originally Posted by Starbuck1771
Because I am not daft or a sheep and will not lead around as such. I have seen such idiotic ideas before and as I said they always end in failure. You may be willing to have the wool pulled over your eyes but I am not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashloiren
As for a select few that is a *metafore. Also it is 69 players not 75. And compaired to the thousands of players I would consider 69 a select few even without the term being a metafore.
* met·a·phor
1. A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison.
2. One thing conceived as representing another; a symbol.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Metafore
Seriously! 'World first/Server first Raiders' have their feathers all fluffed out and on display for all the mere mortals to admire; counsel-haters are already hating on the day the members are chosen, It's actually quite fascinating....lol! Waiting to hear from the 'casual' and 'role-playing' crowd since we are all so fond of categorizing & then criticizing one another. *yawn*Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashloiren
...I'd just like to know the answer to my question & then I'm out of this discussion...what is the official way we are supposed to submit our ideas/suggestions to our player counsel members, so that we are not bothering them with in-game /tells, etc?? Has there been a format set up for this?
It is clear she does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boraxxe
Why not both, so we know who they are when they're posting on here? Giving only character names is useless when it comes to viewing what they say here, I have no way of knowing when one of these is posting and so no way to evaluate their comments based on their self-interest in being on the council.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
THIS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlenia
So many people get forced-name changes or even bans due to inappropriate names, and now Turbine have one with a patently obvious name crudely referring to female anatomy on the Council.
Question to Sapience: double standards or what?
It is not that kind of counsil. It is a focus group for Turbine to push their ideas on. Our opinions and ideas as community members are not wanted. Thats why us as you say counsil-haters are up in arms. Because focus groups such as this are a huge mistake. An even bigger mistake was announceing who got selected because those will be the players targeted at the first foul-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cefely
Because when the player counsil makes a big mistake they would rather the threats and harassment be kept in-game, rather then flooding the forums with the same. That is fine by me though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerin_Eldar
OK, in that case I will go back to leveling my alts, running instances with my friends, crafting, skirmishing solo & with my Kinfolk & waiting patiently for the next update or expansion. *shrug* In other words...I'll just go & have fun doing what I always do & let the rest of you wring your hands over this stuff...enjoy! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Starbuck1771
I definitely agree. As a woman on the council, this name makes me uncomfortable and is not something I want to be put into the same hand-picked group with. Ultimately I understand that it is Turbine's decision, but if the name/player remains I will be sorely disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerin_Eldar
I agree but personaly nothing against you but this entire player council situation is disapointing. Leave it to Turbine to divide the community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cithryth
That's really disappointing. I thought from all play styles people would be choosen. Reading T2 Challengemode content is a play style in my opinion. From our Server atleast 2 people that i would call "raider" applied for the council.Quote:
Originally Posted by bastiat1
i for one am glad that they increased the size of the council so that they could fit Shezgotnyctips on it.
Tips? I know a lot of terms for anatomy that some might consider crude, but I've never heard "tips" considered as such. Perhaps it's a slang term across the pond?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerin_Eldar
Yes it is a double standard because they willingly let someone who clearly bypassed the nameing filter onto the council. May as well just let them change their name to shesgotanycrack so that their name is more to the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerin_Eldar
It is used as a reference to womans breast. Replace the p in tips with a t. Hence the disregaurd for the players character name and for the Devs/Community team members who allowed such a player onto the player council.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestache
Could not have said this better, nor have I seen a better post here yet describing what is actually happening. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aineas.
Ah, thank you. Now I look back on the years I spent waiting tables and tending bar quite differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starbuck1771
Read the edited post. Shesgotnyctips replace the p with a t. He put the p to get around the profanity filter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestache
All I can say is that people had to apply to participate on the Player Council. If many hard core raiders decided not to apply, for whatever reason, it would be hard to get their particular viewpoint represented on the Council. But it is very early. I'm not prepared to say no hard core raiders are on the council quite yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aineas.
And, no, I'm not a hard core raider. But I've done the wipe after wipe on raids into the wee hours thing more than a few times even if it isn't on T2C. I can appreciate that lair raids (and scalable raids with no locks) with little incentive to do them more than once are less than ideal (at least to me). I've read some of the threads written by hard core raiders and agree with many of the points raised (and even said so in some of them). Does that mean my sole driving force for being on the council is to ensure there's a progression raid at Helm's Deep? No. Is it one of many things that I will keep an eye out for and promote? Absolutely. Trying to understand others, listen to their viewpoints and provide feedback are things I will be doing.
I suspect people that are singularly driven by any one issue might not work well with others on the council. If that sentiment came across strongly in their application it is possible it was a reason some weren't chosen. Perhaps I'm wrong.
The 2 people chosen from my server are heavy Role Players from the same kinship. The kin (to my knowledge) doesn't raid, PVP or engage in much group content. *sigh*
I wasn't particularly expecting to be picked, but 2 people from the same kinship and with the same play style doesn't seem too fair and diverse for me. Isn't the player council supposed to represent the whole gaming community including different play styles and choices? The fact that the only two picked from Imladris are withing the same 'group' is just silly.
I'm going to stay positive and hope that the heavy raiding community is represented and heard, if even from other servers since mine is a lost cause.
I can say for a fact that at least 3 (very nice) people from my server that raid heavily and are excellent players applied for the council, yet, we had only 2 picked, none of which represent that play style.Quote:
Originally Posted by FundinStrongarm
Not currently active. I stoped playing for a little while. I am the owner of multiple accounts so the fact Econn has been unplayed for 6 months is not an issue. As for capacity I do a little of everything. As for what I am basing what I am saying let me give you a little history I have been playing online game for almost 20 years. I have been a part of the MMO community since the 90's. I have been in several communitys that have tried this type of focus group. As for my LotRO history: Alpha Tester SoA, Closed SoA, Closed MoM, Closed SoM, received invites for RoI & RoR but didnt accept them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashloiren
So the answer to your question is cold hard experience.
what i would have done it to list the oustanding people as well (as pending), so they actually know they have been chosen but the mail did not make it to them.
Suilad mellyn,
This nomination came as a little surprise.
A little introduction about me. I'm a Portuguese player, started in the Brandywine server where i was a part of a small multinational raiding kinship.
When crickhollow opened, i transfered and created (along with other fellow players) a Portuguese kinship. I'm a father of 2 (soon to be 3), a husband and have a full time job. On top of this i lead or join Raids. I'm also a kin leader and i've founded a couple raiding alliances in my home server of Crickhollow. Sometimes its a challenge to juggle all this duties, but so far it has been an awesome experience.
My main gameplay focus is in the Lore-Master (Galahriel) and Captain (Galchir) classes and i'll do my best to represent those.
I would also like to push for Kinship and Alliance improvements to the game. But i'm can't say anymore until i know exactly what i can talk about and what i can't, so all is speculation at this point.
I'll do my best as a council member to take the community's overall best interest in any way i can.
You can follow me @wickedpt in twitter if you're interested. #lotrocouncil hashtag is also being used, it seems.
First of all congratz on being nominated to the council.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galahadur
To put things in perspective, do you think you could share your kinship's accomplishments in the Erebor raids? T1, T2 and T2C.
Thank you and all the best :)
Congrats to the selected Council Members!
I have to say though, I am sad to see that my server (Silverlode) doesn't have any EU people represented in the Council.
I haven't had the option to apply myself, sadly, or I would have, to ensure that EU players gets heard too :).
i have forgotten to say it:
congrats to all.
I also have pretty much the same pedigree that you are claiming. And was actually selected as one of the council members. What you have to keep in mind here is that you actually have no clue how things will actually work. You are making pretty bold statements about what will or will not be accomplished with this council. Your opinion about what should happen with the game is one of hundreds of thousands of differing opinions. The main goal here I believe, is for developers to get some feedback on their ideas from the average player. Raiders want more raids, crafters want more crafting, solo people want everything geared towards solo play. And everyone wants the best gear in game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starbuck1771
What you have to keep in mind is that if you skew the slider in the direction of ANY certain type of play, you make people who aren't in that group lose interest. If I had to play with people who only like to raid all the time, I would get very bored quickly. Same for PvMP.
What I suggest is that you try using a little patience and wait until things shake out before you start spreading the hate and ill-will. This is something new, and it is going to take time to do anything.
By my count, there's 25 members from the EU on the council.Quote:
Originally Posted by DolphineQ
While we've been given no official contact points for them as of yet, a number of them are openly soliciting feedback on twitterQuote:
Originally Posted by Cefely
#lotrocouncil .
One of the members has set up a seperate email address and says
One of the members from our world has asked for in-gamed MAILED suggestions/remarks (I suspect his mailbox will be over-full shortly, and he'll need to come up with a better system but we'll see)Quote:
I opened a new google doc where I collect the ideas I get from you regarding #LOTROCOUNCIL . Here you can verify if I got your attention.
I will make it nice eventually. This is just the start: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...DNWFLN0E#gid=1 #LOTROCOUNCIL
Note that you cannot edit the doc. #LOTROCOUNCIL
https://twitter.com/Floradine_S/stat...21728364597248
https://twitter.com/Floradine_S/stat...21897650884608
https://twitter.com/Floradine_S/stat...22008841908225
There's a perfectly good explanation why Silverlode isn't represented by any EU residing player.Quote:
Originally Posted by DolphineQ
It's not one of the former EU(under Codemasters)servers.
It's mostly, I would think, populated by North American players.
Also, of course EU players will get heard. There are 25 players from the EU in the Council, currently. Possibly more when we have the full list.
And, now I wonder, why didn't you have the option to apply yourself?
When the council was first announced I had high hopes that they would choose a group of players that were interested in making the game better for all players. But now that the names have been released I dont see that happening. I recognise the names of two of the players and both are very hard core in their play style and they have been very vocal that other play styles should get less time in development, have less value and should not be rewarded as well as thier chosen play style. Now this is just two of 70 players but I can not see that Turbine is not aware of the adatued of these two players. If even 25% of the players on the council are like the two I know I dont see the council as accomplishing anything. It will just be a place for people to argue and demean other players play style.
I think, once all the confirmations come back, that the total number of international players from all countries outside the US is 32. I might be off by one or two, but I'm pretty sure that number is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by VoronturEU
Also, I'd encourage everyone to go back to the original announcement and FAQ and re-read it. I'm already getting 'feedback' from some players commenting on rigged voting (there was no voting) and other claims that are clearly counter to the information provided in the announcement.
Also, we have no plans to 'provide contact information' for council members. You were given their names used on their servers. There is 0 plan to share any personally identifiable information with anyone. Legally we cannot.
Council members are free to solicit feedback if they wish, and we encourage them to read over player suggestions in the suggestions forums to find things they feel deserve further consideration, but I would strongly remind everyone (based on some comments I've already seen) that if we find council members are being harassed, the EULA and TOS will be enforced on those responsible.
Why must people be so negative. Am I bummed that I didn't get on the council myself? Certainly. But from the few people on the council that I know (even just in passing from reading their forum posts), I am sure that Turbine did a fantastic job of choosing the council members. And if they did make a mistake with a member or 2, I have confidence that they will correct their mistake as soon as they realize it. Keep in mind, all of you who are complaining, none of us knows the criteria for which they used when choosing people for the Player Council, so even if you feel someone doesn't deserve to be on it, or that you do deserve to be on it, there are obviously reasons why Turbine choose the people they did.
I do plan on re-applying next year, and hope that I make it. I'm not sure the exact reasons as to why I didn't get chosen (though I can probably think of at least 1 reason myself), but I am just going to do my best for this next year, and if I still don't get chosen, I will just keep trying til I do. :) Rather than complain, perhaps some of you should do the same.
I was making the suggestion on Snowbourn's global lff channel to make their suggestions in the Suggestions forums and do it in an appropriate manner, i.e well-put, thought-out, and clear suggestions, and that I will endeavour to read as many good suggestions as I can, and to feed back those I feel deserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
This is addressed to people in general, and not you Sapience:
I see people mentioning some are very vocal about their playstyle and wanting more focus on that than anything else.
Well, I'm not going to subscribe, ever, to one playstyle vs another playstyle, as I put in my application.
I feel all playstyles are equal and deserve equal attention(or at least, proportionate attention).
When it comes down to it, there are a lot of assumptions flying around at the moment.
It's naturally fine for those with concerns to have concerns, but can we at least be given the chance to start our "work" before it's rashly proclaimed as a failure?
Two things: I hope that the rest of the EU players on the council satisfy your need there. Also, though I but humbly step from across the pond in the US of A, if there are Silverlode issues that you would want discussed in an EU light, perhaps I can still be your way to get heard. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DolphineQ