Who else doesnt like thet fact that Vol II gets revamped,all soloable?

How many people posting here are aware that two Legendary skills are gated behind group quests in Moria:

(1) Completion of 2.6.8
(2) Killing a special mob in one of the L60 Moria 6-mans.

When Moria winds down and people move to new regions, getting groups to unlock both of those skills will become increasingly more difficult. Even now, I have an unkinned captain on another server that is fully BG raid ready, but still cant get a Fil Gashen run to get the Hands of Healing skill. No-one runs that any more: It's all HoC for the Anvil or GS for Moria medallions. Very rarely do you see one of the other Moria instances run as a PUG. Of course, if you are in a kin, it's another story.

Getting those skills unlocked will be important in the future. For the solo un-kinned players.

edit. never mind, I found it.

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Originally Posted by Brandon_Blackbird

This is an argument that has been rehashed over and over and over and over. I am tired of being questioned for preferring to play solo. This game allows BOTH solo and group play. This means that people who want to solo can do so, and people who want to group can do so (barring the solo-only/group-only content). This does not mean that people who group are doing it wrong, nor does it mean people who solo are doing it wrong.

There is NOTHING in "multiplayer" that means group. Have you grouped EVERY quest from the starter instance on? I'm betting not.

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Yet you don't see thread with topics like "Make X into group content" instead it's always "make it soloable", "nerf this group content" and so on. I don't have a problem with people not grouping it's the complaining about not getting to do content because of a decision they ultimately make(not to group) that's getting out of control. As for grouping every quest from starter instance on, yes I have except for the forced solo content since my girlfriend and I level all our alts that way, now granted we did skip some quests simply because they went grey.

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Originally Posted by Lynchpin13

Yet you don't see thread with topics like "Make X into group content" instead it's always "make it soloable", "nerf this group content" and so on. I don't have a problem with people not grouping it's the complaining about not getting to do content because of a decision they ultimately make(not to group) that's getting out of control. As for grouping every quest from starter instance on, yes I have except for the forced solo content since my girlfriend and I level all our alts that way, now granted we did skip some quests simply because they went grey.

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You are an exception, because you have a partner that also plays. A lot of people don't have that luxury. I have never asked for anything to be made soloable except for the epic line. I will never complain about the gear that I can't get because I don't raid. I will never ask for SH or SG to be made soloable. I will never tell someone they can't group. I don't like forced-solo quests for the sake of couples who play. However, MY preference to solo does not mean I'm some kind of antisocial misfit who hates everyone and insists that every quest in the entire game NEEDS to be soloable OMG or I'm leaving!

There is plenty for me to do with the rest of the "multiplayers" in the game without grouping with them, so that's what I do.

I feel the same, lotro seems very much solo focused
Many times i forget that i am playing an online multiplayer game because allmost all the time i solo, but that not because i want to but because of various reasons such as forced solo quests/instances, those book quests that are only solo and in general most of the scenery quests are soloable

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Originally Posted by AlphaMan

I don't mind at all. After all, grouping is still an option if you want. Find the people group up, have some fun.

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Most of the volume 1 quests that added the inspired greatness buff also simplified the fights. So that even if you get 6 players and enter the fights are much simpler even without any buff.

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Originally Posted by Lynchpin13

Yet you don't see thread with topics like "Make X into group content" instead it's always "make it soloable", "nerf this group content" and so on. I don't have a problem with people not grouping it's the complaining about not getting to do content because of a decision they ultimately make(not to group) that's getting out of control. As for grouping every quest from starter instance on, yes I have except for the forced solo content since my girlfriend and I level all our alts that way, now granted we did skip some quests simply because they went grey.

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So just to get this straight...you have grouped for every quest on every character in every MMO that you've ever played? Impressive.

BTW, it's not about choosing not to group...it's about being stuck for months because you can't find enough people to group with that are willing to do something for hours again when they've already done it. Turbine wouldn't be doing this if the need wasn't there. Have some faith in them and the changes that they see fit to implement.

Also, I haven't seen one person call for a "nerf" of any quest. These quests are not going to be changed for those that want to experience it as they always have and will continue to be. This is just opening up possibilities for those that don't have the ability (for whatever reason) to complete them as they are. If you don't want to solo them then don't. No one is stopping or forcing you away from grouping so please don't stop anyone else from playing the game as it fits their preferences and needs.

What I find interesting is that whenever someone asks for a certain quests to be solo friendly it's always the groupers that want to stop the change. It's not the solo players that ever want to stop the groupers from doing anything that they currently do. This seems a bit unfair and selfish.

Multiplayer = More than one person playing the same game at the same time. It does not equal grouping. I'll play as I see fit and you play as you see fit. I won't interfere with your play style so please don't interfere with mine. I for one an glad that Turbine is adding the IG to more epic quests. We should all have the ability to experience these quests as we see fit.

I personally hope that in the near future Turbine implements tech that scales the content to the group, not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Brandon_Blackbird

I will never complain about the gear that I can't get because I don't raid.

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But a lot of people do with the "I pay the same sub I deserve the same loot as the raiders" argument popping up in all these types of topics. If Turbine is willing to cave on epics which then sets a precedent of group content being made solo with the same rewards which leads to more people clamoring for every raid and instance to be turned into a skirmish with solo, fellowship and raid options but the same loot, who's to say they won't eventually cave in to that? In this industry if you shout loud and long enough you get listened to rather than ignored which isn't always a good thing. In my view if people decide to not group they do suffer the consequence of not being able to see the group content and get the group loot but they have no one to blame but themselves for that and the game shouldn't be altered for them.

Frankly, as someone who hasn't experienced the terrifying pain of the group quests in Moria, your opinion isn't worth anything. If Turbine is changing it, it's because of the overwhelmingly negative player response. Spend 10 seconds with the search button and you'll come up with loads of threads detailing how this exact issue has ruined the experience of solo/duo/trio players because 2.5.5/2.6.8/2.8.3 are that frustrating.

More importantly, you do realize that nothing stops you from grouping for these quests, right? As several people said, the buff only activates if you try to go in with fewer than the correct number of players.

Finally, the Epic Quest is 100% soloable after Moria, and that trend is obviously going to continue with Turbine's love of the skirmish system. They're (supposedly) finally going back to fix this last glaring issue that doesn't fit with the flow of the rest of the game.

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Originally Posted by Argonathlotroforumname

I feel the same, lotro seems very much solo focused
Many times i forget that i am playing an online multiplayer game because allmost all the time i solo, but that not because i want to but because of various reasons such as forced solo quests/instances, those book quests that are only solo and in general most of the scenery quests are soloable

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Forced solo doesn't happen very often at all in the scheme of things. Only specific instanced epic quests, session play, maybe one or two other little things. There are a crapton of quest content in this game, from solo-only to raids.

Let's move away from the logic fail, though:

In the vast majority of questing cases, even if something is soloable (listed as a solo quest), you are under no obligation whatsoever to actually do it solo. My friends who like to duo regularly do solo content all the time when both have the same quests in their logs--when the content is listed red or purple. That's plenty challenging. You are not forced.

Stop saying this like someone is threatening to smash each of your fingers with a frozen tuna unless you solo.

Debating topics is fine. Questioning the worth of another players opinions or otherwise debating the value of each other's contributions is not.

Players are free to choose how they wish to experience the content. The LOTRO team provides a number of options for players to choose from where appropriate. This topic of discussion is over.