Player Guide: Class Changes Summary: Champion

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Originally Posted by Redit

who said this is a tooltip error? if you can link me anything I'll change it but attack duration is something that can't easily be tested.

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Jinjaah posted in the Champ thread on the Beta forums that "Fervour Trait set bonus no longer gives attack duration per fervour pip", in his list of changes. I also did test it with Logstamper, and the number of pips had no effect, while Precise Strikes stacking bonus was working.

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Originally Posted by MikeA

Jinjaah posted in the Champ thread on the Beta forums that "Fervour Trait set bonus no longer gives attack duration per fervour pip", in his list of changes. I also did test it with Logstamper, and the number of pips had no effect, while Precise Strikes stacking bonus was working.

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thank you. fixed

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Originally Posted by Sumadyan

One thing I don't see is a mention of True Heroics. No more bubble from that skill for champions.

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fixed. somehow missed that one.

Do any beta champs know what's up with this:
https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...m-Epic-Battles

One of the champ jewelry sets apparently has block on it - did we get block back? Did we get shields back?? Or just a "can block without a shield" special ability (presumably for the blue trait line only) like captains got a while back for their tanking line?

Fully traited red line seems crazily OP.


I am liking the Devastating strike. Bypass 40% of mit.

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Originally Posted by Melunielsigh

Fully traited red line seems crazily OP.


I am liking the Devastating strike. Bypass 40% of mit.

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well that trait used to be borked in some way. the last time i checked it was giving the mob +40% mitigation rather than lowering it :D

Well, I dont know whats the problem with these changes ?
Look at other games, for instance WoW. Many expansions and patches has made the game and class playstile very different as it was in the beggining.

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Originally Posted by J_Howell

One of the champ jewelry sets apparently has block on it - did we get block back? Did we get shields back?? Or just a "can block without a shield" special ability (presumably for the blue trait line only) like captains got a while back for their tanking line?

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None of that, the stats were simply copy+pasted from the other class sets (e.g. cappy sets also have no tact mastery in that list). Only class with actual different options (compared to same armor classes) is the warden as it's the only medium armor tank class. Mind those stats may be temporary and not be what you'll see on live.

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Originally Posted by Melunielsigh

Fully traited red line seems crazily OP.


I am liking the Devastating strike. Bypass 40% of mit.

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It's not. Not even close to it in the current build. While they haven't finish DPS balancing, red champ is among the bottom of DPS and you have very little AOE ability. You'll get much more mileage out of the yellow line, which doesn't suffer much when having to go ST.

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Originally Posted by Sthrax

It's not. Not even close to it in the current build. While they haven't finish DPS balancing, red champ is among the bottom of DPS and you have very little AOE ability. You'll get much more mileage out of the yellow line, which doesn't suffer much when having to go ST.

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See this is what worries me about the champ changes in general. I posted this on the official HD NDA Drop topic, but I'd like to hear more feedback from the champs in beta.

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Originally Posted by Rufus_T_Fyrfly

Well to use my main as an example, I play as a champ and I find myself currently using both single target and AOE (shing shing) traiting a bit of red and yellow hybrid. But with the changes I'll have to sacrifice something and go either deep red or yellow. I looked at the changes and a part of me wants to run red. But the new yellow looks like more my playstyle. So in a way, Im forced to pick one of two paths for a majority of the game. I know you can hold at least 2 builds and swap them, but I don't relish the thought of battle,swap,battle,swap repeated ad nauseum.

This probably is better posted on the champ forum, but I just wanted to show some of my thoughts about the changes. I am cautiously optimistic about them, sure. But I'd feel alot better if I were to see them myself, ya know? :)

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it's a simple game now. I know there's a lot about the update people dislike but easily switching between 2 roles should not be a point of complaint.

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Originally Posted by mrfigglesworth

it's a simple game now. I know there's a lot about the update people dislike but easily switching between 2 roles should not be a point of complaint.

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Maybe so, but I like to pretend there's a bit of challenge as opposed to acknowledging the faceroll.

I just don't see the point of role swapping dps. I'm not a healer or tank, so I prefer to stick to killing things and letting the "experts" handle it

Or maybe I'm not yet a jaded LOTRO player and maybe I want to find positives in light of the upcoming changes.

Take your pick.

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Originally Posted by Rufus_T_Fyrfly

Maybe so, but I like to pretend there's a bit of challenge as opposed to acknowledging the faceroll.

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There was never any challenge to traiting or speccing for a champion, and that's not changing. There was never any challenge to that. I guess you could say this part of the update is still simple.

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Originally Posted by Rufus_T_Fyrfly

I just don't see the point of role swapping dps. I'm not a healer or tank, so I prefer to stick to killing things and letting the "experts" handle it

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I'm not sure what you're expressing. I mean I agree I'm going to miss aoe'ing while in fervour and ST dps'ing while in ardour, but Im not sure what that has to do with healing or tanking or "experts"

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Originally Posted by Rufus_T_Fyrfly

Or maybe I'm not yet a jaded LOTRO player and maybe I want to find positives in light of the upcoming changes.

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Not sure what your point is. I was expressing the opinion that it IS a positive change to switch freely and quickly depending on the upcoming battle. I thought that was what your quote was implying, that swapping on the fly was somehow a bad thing.

There is really nothing to miss, you can now literally go from red to yellow to blue between every fight.

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Originally Posted by mrfigglesworth

There was never any challenge to traiting or speccing for a champion, and that's not changing. There was never any challenge to that. I guess you could say this part of the update is still simple.


I'm not sure what you're expressing. I mean I agree I'm going to miss aoe'ing while in fervour and ST dps'ing while in ardour, but Im not sure what that has to do with healing or tanking or "experts"


Not sure what your point is. I was expressing the opinion that it IS a positive change to switch freely and quickly depending on the upcoming battle. I thought that was what your quote was implying, that swapping on the fly was somehow a bad thing.

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Maybe because I'm from the US and there might be a language/syntax barrier, so I'll try to explain it better.

I currently run a red/yellow hybrid because I like the mix of AOE and ST dps. I'm concerned that when the change happens, I will have to pick one or the other. From what Ive been told (both here and ingame) is that red line is lacking in power,which is hopefully only a temporary setback. And yeah, I don't particularly like the idea of having to swap before almost every battle. But as long as I don't have to use multiple sets of gear (like say, a tank running in dps gear and swapping tank role and putting on tank gear) then I'm ok with that.

As for my "jaded" comment, I mean that I not like some people who are angrily bashing the new changes just because they can. I want to be optimistic about them.

So all I'm really asking for is confirmation from more experienced champs. Does the red line feel weak? Is yellow going to be the default solo build? Or what about the blue line? That's all really :cool:

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Originally Posted by Sumadyan

There is really nothing to miss, you can now literally go from red to yellow to blue between every fight.

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Hmm ok good. That's more like it. Thank you very much :D

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Originally Posted by Sumadyan

There is really nothing to miss, you can now literally go from red to yellow to blue between every fight.

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Only if you like rearranging your quickslots EVERY single time you switch, and likely switching much of your armor/jewelry/LI as well.

Anyone has the new Weapon and Rune legacies for the champ?
I hope they do not change them too much, tough

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Originally Posted by Sthrax

Only if you like rearranging your quickslots EVERY single time you switch, and likely switching much of your armor/jewelry/LI as well.

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I've got it set up so in all 3 different traitlines I have to change zero slots. You just have to get used to it, and now all my skills are within reach of alt/shift/ctrl+1-7 which is quite nice for moors.

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Originally Posted by frank1985

Anyone has the new Weapon and Rune legacies for the champ?
I hope they do not change them too much, tough

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There are a lot of rune changes but I'm worried to post anything since there are still legacies on rune and weapon that are currently worthless still, and many things are in flux.

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Originally Posted by Rufus_T_Fyrfly

Maybe because I'm from the US and there might be a language/syntax barrier, so I'll try to explain it better.

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Im from US too :)

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Originally Posted by Rufus_T_Fyrfly

So all I'm really asking for is confirmation from more experienced champs. Does the red line feel weak? Is yellow going to be the default solo build? Or what about the blue line? That's all really :cool:

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red line is weak, yellow line is solid, blue line is solid, and it's very easy to switch traits, not so easy to switch gear and jewelry.

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Originally Posted by mrfigglesworth

There are a lot of rune changes but I'm worried to post anything since there are still legacies on rune and weapon that are currently worthless still, and many things are in flux.

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Oh, I'd really like to see them, it's less than 2 weeks that HD will (supposedly) come out.
So I don't think that they will change the current legacies much.
If you could share than, I'd be much obliged.

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Originally Posted by mrfigglesworth

Im from US too :)



red line is weak, yellow line is solid, blue line is solid, and it's very easy to switch traits, not so easy to switch gear and jewelry.

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Yellow line is fun, but it is still fairly weak unless you are slashing normal trash.
Red line is horrific ... DPS, power consumption ... all terrible.
Blue line is fairly generic to be honest, not very exciting to play.

Need to not use per pip boosts for DPS % ... make it raw % per spec.
Remove consumables from Horns btw ... this is an extremely lame-brained idea.
Remove + stat fillers in the trees and replace them with something actually useful.

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Originally Posted by Sumadyan

There is really nothing to miss, you can now literally go from red to yellow to blue between every fight.

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We only get two trait setups, right? So to actually be able to switch between all three we'd need to buy a third at the store. Won't be a problem for my burglar, warden, or captain, but it's looking to be a bit of an annoyance on my minstrel and especially my champ. Assuming minstrels are eventually fixed, that is.

Or perhaps there are ways to do a dps build in the new trees that's "good enough" at both single target and aoe (sounds more likely to be yellow-based than red-based from what I'm seeing so far) and we can get by with two trait setups.

Would be nice if trait setup slots could be passed between characters - my crafting alts can get by just fine with zero trait setups. :)

Only played to 69 (dude!) so far with my champ, but I don't like the sound of what I'm reading.

Champ is my favourite class by a long way, and I'm currently traited 5 red, 2 yellow. I love the way you can jump stances and switch from single target dps to aoe to off tank at the moment.

I guess I will have to play it to find out, but after spending so much time earning my traits, it is going to be a wrench not having access to skills I depend on at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Kenjutsu

Only played to 69 (dude!) so far with my champ, but I don't like the sound of what I'm reading.

Champ is my favourite class by a long way, and I'm currently traited 5 red, 2 yellow. I love the way you can jump stances and switch from single target dps to aoe to off tank at the moment.

I guess I will have to play it to find out, but after spending so much time earning my traits, it is going to be a wrench not having access to skills I depend on at the moment.

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I'm right there with you.Pretty much how I run my champ,too

Ultimately, the rest of us are gonna have to wait and see for ourselves when it goes live. I'm getting alot of conflicting data both on the board and ingame over the changes (as expected) so I'm gonna hope for the best and expect the worse :D