Reward track madness

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Originally Posted by Fadil

But do you really feel the need to get max traceries for all your alts?
People who play multiple alts (as do I) can now use the scripts and tokens for alts, while seriously equipping 2 -3 raiding alts.
Although raiding is of course very well possible with blue traceries.
I used the rewards of this track for my main, for an alt that I had just leveled to 140 (and which could very much use the blue tokens/ traceries) and I am using the scripts to equip the alts that I am still leveling with yellow/ purple traceries.
I mean, no it isn't enough for 20 alts, but I guess getting them all traceries will take time.
Atm you can equip them with purple traceries though.

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Of course, I'm not remotely interested in gearing up 20 alts, or even 10 for that matter. The problem is there though. Why have a system where all your eligible alts can feed it, but only one or two can benefit from it? Its like having 2000 loaves of bread at the supermarket, but only allowing two customers to shop there. Completely pointless. I can use scripts to buy purple traceries and yellow runes for mules, of course I can, but that isn't really the objective of the game. Progression is, and this stifles progression. I have no desire or inclination to spend all that time gearing up alts in a half baked manner, to only have to redo it all should I decide to change direction of which class I want to be flavour of the month. Instead, I run them naked or in very basic gear, until the point where they cannot perform well enough to continue any further. Then, they park and should I want to dust to cobwebs off it and bring it up to higher calibre content, I just start from there, with no wasted time or resources. the reward track in it's current form is the most anti-play system I know.

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Originally Posted by Nonde

How many are you able to play at cap? There are always the exceptions of those who seem to only sleep 3 hrs a night and lotro the remaining 21 hrs/day who have kept 7 and more alts afloat at cap but most of us were forced to drop back to around 3 from 105 onwards (when 105 was lvl cap).

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If I put my mind to it, I can play 10 -12 at cap, though, only a few in group content and only one, two at most in raids. Insomniac of 18 years here. I work in the day time, but I own the nights.

That said, there is no incentive to play like that anymore, not, as you say, since level 95 (I could keep 15 alts up at that point). The game has lost that, "do the work, get a reward" aspect. Now everything is "jump through this hoop, to lead you to that hoop" and mains have become alt dependant for gearing up.

Its not pretty.

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Originally Posted by Nonde

How many are you able to play at cap? There are always the exceptions of those who seem to only sleep 3 hrs a night and lotro the remaining 21 hrs/day who have kept 7 and more alts afloat at cap but most of us were forced to drop back to around 3 from 105 onwards (when 105 was lvl cap).

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That is a rude approach.
I have 10 alts at level cap. All are group/raid ready (but not all t3 ready for raid). 3 of my alts are valared like the Brawler. I do questing only with my 5 "old" alts, occasionally here and there with some other. For example, my brawler was my first char I quested through Gundabad. I do most of the time group content and raids, and I do have a normal day job and a life outside Middleearth too ;-) . It is a kind of time management. Of course, I can not do everything what I would like to do, for example questing is very slow at the moment, because SSG put extreme amount of grind into group and raid content, but they call that mendacious just "slow down".

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Originally Posted by Cordovan

We knew that this first track would be an aberration due to the stockpiling of IXP items prior to this first track's debut, but the data will help us determine long-term how much for how long as it relates to in-game experience. We do appreciate the feedback, and it isn't our general intention to have people stocking up on hundreds of rewards. In the future the intention is it will take most of the time frame to get to the end based on an "average" experience that aims to be the center of a cloud, so to speak. So the end repeatable is mostly a way to still get something for the folks who get there.

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That's all well and good, but that doesn't really address the banality of the reward itself, on top of the storage requirement, cooldown on opening the box, could it not be easier to implement the reward as a barter item or wallet based currency that can be exchanged for 50 AS instead?

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Originally Posted by Cordovan

We knew that this first track would be an aberration due to the stockpiling of IXP items prior to this first track's debut, but the data will help us determine long-term how much for how long as it relates to in-game experience. We do appreciate the feedback, and it isn't our general intention to have people stocking up on hundreds of rewards. In the future the intention is it will take most of the time frame to get to the end based on an "average" experience that aims to be the center of a cloud, so to speak. So the end repeatable is mostly a way to still get something for the folks who get there.

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Just with vxp and ember farming on mains and alts (1 per class total) a side effect is large # of boxes built up even without playing that much. 15 easy missions takes around 45 minutes a week and some I don’t get to every char every week. I play 4 with any consistency. 5 are below 140. The 4 (and some of the 5) already have “backup” 131-150 purples from the 6 instances done for the weeklies for when the cap goes up in 8-20 months. I still have 450 million in ixp runes from earlier and didn’t need any to get the reward track done.

My request would be to add something to buy for AS. Maybe a teal token for 4500 AS or a legendary token for 9000 AS. If not I guess I’ll just let the extra disappear. If I do the daily/weekly instances I get 6 purples a week and just through March most characters doing the weeklies even every 2 or 3 weeks are done with getting purples from that. So, AS is not worth anything even with a larger cap.

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Originally Posted by Arnenna

Of course, I'm not remotely interested in gearing up 20 alts, or even 10 for that matter. The problem is there though. Why have a system where all your eligible alts can feed it, but only one or two can benefit from it? Its like having 2000 loaves of bread at the supermarket, but only allowing two customers to shop there.

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Hmm it feels the exact opposite to me. I run alts at lower levels, who for example do the missions, and who don't need traceries (probably never). They still contribute to the reward track. I like that.:)
Especially when in the future it will be harder to reach max level of the track.
This way all my alts contribute to rewards I only really need for 4 alts.

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Originally Posted by Nonde

How many are you able to play at cap? There are always the exceptions of those who seem to only sleep 3 hrs a night and lotro the remaining 21 hrs/day who have kept 7 and more alts afloat at cap but most of us were forced to drop back to around 3 from 105 onwards (when 105 was lvl cap).

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I have 3 alts that I raid with at 140, 1 that I just quest with and so on.
But that wasn't my point. A lot of players who might mostly do end game instances, also enjoy leveling an alt from 0 to 140, and the reward track offers us the easy possibility to buy traceries with scripts.
And ofc the rather large group who never had a max alt, and didnt have any LIs to appraise. To them the reward track is also very important.

This 1st round i decided to use no IXP that I had stored up(a ton) and do it through normal questing. Took about a month of casual end game playing.

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Originally Posted by Vilan

I just play one toon regularly, no serious alts. Maybe an hour or two a day. I suspect I'm the target audience of the reward track, since I'm about at reward 40 now, so I imagine I'll hit the end of the track just around the time it resets. It's great for me as a source of runes and scripts, plus some bonus embers and figments. But I can definitely see that people with lots of endgame alts would find it much less useful. Perhaps making it character-based instead of account-based would work better. Make the rewards character-bound instead of account-bound if you're worried about people feeding stuff to one toon, though honestly if you grind out the whole track on 10+ alts to get one toon covered in gold traceries, you've earned it as far as I'm concerned.

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I am very much opposed to character bound, and I suspect SSG is as well. One of the main problems with the old LI system is that it made gearing alts too difficult. If you start making LI rewards character bound, then we're right back at square 1 and the whole LI revamp becomes meaningless. This system has been working as intended as far as allowing alts to upgrade as they level, as well as allowing our mains to help our alts along the way.

Despite level 101 boxes piling up, I don't envision this being a problem for me in subsequent reward tracks. I have really enjoyed using ancient script for lower level toons when needed. The LI revamp has been working exactly as I hoped in regards to my alts not needing to grind out LI items on all my characters. My high level toons have been able to nicely feed my lower level alts. I am a big fan of the LI revamp. It's important to take a long-term view. Yes the rewards are piling up, but with each subsequent reset of the reward track, we will need to use more and more of the ancient script we get. When the LI revamp hit, I didn't need any scripts because I had about 40,000 from deconning old items. That's not going to happen next time for many players. And I would imagine that the people with hundreds of unclaimed level 101 boxes are people who spend a lot of time playing. I don't think the reward track was designed to help the players who play every single day. If you were on daily, you didn't have as much trouble keeping up with the LIs because you could spend time grinding dailies on multiple characters. Many of us that either gave up or temporarily parked alts are those of us who don't spend 20+ hours a week playing the game, so when we had time, we wanted to actually play our alts. The problem with the old LI system was that people couldn't realistically obtain the LI items for more than a few characters because it became a part-time job. When alts got to level 100, they were suddenly hundreds and hundreds of empowerment scrolls behind the curve. That's no longer the case. We spent years with a system where items were too difficult to obtain, but now we are complaining after a few months because items are too easy to obtain. Ugh.

I now have only one at cap with three accounts. Not really playing much anymore as I leveled to cap and the reward track with just one is slow. Honestly, I have been playing another game because grinding the dailies and reward track for mediocre at best rewards is boring and I am not good enough or geared enough for anything other than T1 instances which drop vendor trash. I am not bothering getting anything else to cap because with yellow and purple traceries they will be less than welcome in any group content other than dailies. I suspect future iterations of the reward track will end up with fewer rewards and more experience required. If I cannot fill the current reward track with experience, I doubt I will fill it in the future. This was a very nice game for many years. I understand the need to make money but punishing us for having fun just doesn't seem the way to make a profit. I hope the reward track rewards and experience requirements improve for those of us who don't have multiple characters and hours to feed it. I hope the rewards improve. I have more script than I can use and nothing to buy that will improve my weapon. I am currently letting the rewards sit on the reward track unclaimed as I need to make storage characters to hold the boxes that I can't open because the contents go away. This is an odd system in my mind but it is what SSG has determined to be the best way to run their business. In all the years I have played this game I never needed a "bank" character. I never had storage problems. Now I need multiple bank characters to store reward track rewards because the rewards are more script that I cannot spend. Sort of like skirmish marks these days. We get alot of them and nothing to buy. I don't current feel like the target customer for SSG.

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Originally Posted by Nonde

How many are you able to play at cap? There are always the exceptions of those who seem to only sleep 3 hrs a night and lotro the remaining 21 hrs/day who have kept 7 and more alts afloat at cap but most of us were forced to drop back to around 3 from 105 onwards (when 105 was lvl cap).

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I went from returning to the game in 2019 with a few 75-95s, and by November 2021 I had 9 alts at 130 mostly fully geared with max LI's, multiple sets. Sure I had to do a lot of crystal farming and emp scrolls but there was little RNG for legacies and emp scrolls + crystals had plenty of sources both end game and prior.

I've now got 7 alts at level 140 thanks to missions, but thanks to not owning Gundabad I can avoid the grind and RNG for now. But I really can't see myself getting those 7 alts with very good LI's as easily as it was with the legacy + emp scrolls system. I've taken it as a sign to play less when May does come and I have access to end game again.

Not to mention traceries have an expiry date on them, so you'll have to farm them again. I only had imbued LI's for a year, I'd bet it was pretty easy to max out your LI each increase when you had them set up since Imbued-LI's were introduced.

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Originally Posted by Neinda

Sort of like skirmish marks these days. We get alot of them and nothing to buy.

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And yes we need more push for revamp related barters for skirmish currency. Recently SSG have been shown to just delete things and not give an equivalent replacement. The reward track and Rivendell archive barter NPC are not equivalent replacements for deletion of tracery sources and legacy/tracery level increases.

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Originally Posted by Cordovan

We knew that this first track would be an aberration due to the stockpiling of IXP items prior to this first track's debut, but the data will help us determine long-term how much for how long as it relates to in-game experience. We do appreciate the feedback, and it isn't our general intention to have people stocking up on hundreds of rewards. In the future the intention is it will take most of the time frame to get to the end based on an "average" experience that aims to be the center of a cloud, so to speak. So the end repeatable is mostly a way to still get something for the folks who get there.

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Wouldn't it just be easier to remove the Ancient Script cap? It's not as if this is elite endgame currency we're talking about. What's the goal there? You guys were close to removing teal and gold enhancement runes because it was an "inventory issue" that took up two spots in shared storage, but now we have to create an entire new character to store dozens and hundreds of Ancient Script items/boxes. It makes no sense. All you can get for just Script are low-tier traceries, the lowest enhancement runes, removal scrolls, and archives maps. Is limiting this super basic stuff important?

Either the goal is to just give us a bunch of Script (which we have currently and is fine--I haven't used a single IXP rune and I've gotten hundreds of boxes) or making yet another thing we need to grind for on every. single. character multiple times at every. single. cap.

There are enough LI grinds with all the ones the new LIs introduced, IMO--multiple tiers of traceries to upgrade, 1000+enhancement runes. People are only going to farm School so many times before they just give up on the game altogether.

Should just make script common and remove the cap. It *can't* be that big a moneymaker to counter the frustration of having an inventory full of unneeded traceries and Reward Track boxes that you can't disenchant until you get below the cap again. Embers I can understand--don't want people stockpiling for the next round of gear. But this love affair with currency caps on everything since L120 has been a real QoL reduction.

Someone ate all their IXP runes?
There was a dude here on forums the other day who claimed they have finished the reward tracker 30 times over, yet claimed the issue was not that they had eaten all of their IXP runes in one go.

The reward track isn't designed to be broken like this but we see it certainly can be. It will not really be an issue after you stopped getting more IXP runes.

Maybe it should have a hard cap at 100?

Maybe instanced quests shouldn't advance it or the instanced quests should have a longer cooldown? I understand that there are repeatables currently used with xp boosts for some scaling instances that can be run over and over with a reset of the instance after a couple of minutes.

The reward track does have issues though:
The reward track does little for a new player who did not have the old LIs. I'm thinking the random traceries a new player breaks down as they're rewarded should break into the exact stuff needed to buy one of the other traceries of the same level and quality. If they can also afford a 300 ancient scripts port back to the LI place, that'd be a nice bonus.

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Originally Posted by Arnenna

But this whole system is kind of an abberation. You get to claim the rewards once, per account. What if you have 20 alts? You have tons of experience feeding into the system, so it will always fly through to the end, yet the rewards of the whole track is not enough to feed 2 alts, let alone 20. Its actually penalising players that engage with the game more. I'm now at 350+ repeatable claims, and I've never used a single IXP rune (they are just taking up crazy amounts of storage space alongside the repeatable boxes that take even more crazy amounts of storage space). It's ironic then, that I only have enough actual LI rewards to feed one alt but enough scripts to last me til the Grey Havens and the setting of the sun.

That's broken.

It would work much more smoothly if one alt is feeding one separate, character based system, and each alt can claim as they go. There would be no need for this repeatable reward at the end of the track then, as each alt is earning their own keep.

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This SPOT ON !! Those of us that have payed our dues over and over and over again are choked down ... SSg wants involvement from us and this is what we give them , yet in return we get a system with insane punitive caps at virtually every level of barter and a reward track that that funnels all the exp from all your subs into one line ? how insane is that ? some of us have 10- 12 subs or more at anyone time at various levels of experience The reward track should be account wide I get that ... but each sub should have its own line with in it . Each sub puts into the whole but can take out what it needs / earns in the way of As then thru the As you purchase your traceries or what you need for your specific toon .
And specifically what happens to all the unclaimed rewards in our reward track when it ressets ?
Lets put it this way ... If you have 12 subs putting into one reward track , you should have 12 subs worth of earnings .
SSG you want involvement :
you want your monies :
Then reward us accordingly and make it worth our while , after all we are still here after a roll out that's lasted 7 months and excuses and vacillating devs .. and lets not get into the lag and wonky game mechanics .
Right now you have choked the development of countless players

I am concerned that SSG is going to get the wrong message from this thread and simply nerf all the rewards across the board as a response, or make it insanely hard to reach the end of the track while simultaneously putting all the decent rewards at the end. I hope SSG recognizes that the original point of this thread was to have a better organized system of storage and that they don't hear, "I have too many rewards!" and think the solution is to simply take them away.

That said, I like the reward track and appreciate it being account wide. It gives me the freedom to play whatever character I want without feeling like any one character is getting left behind. I can play a bunch of low level alts all week if I want, and then send the rewards to my main, allowing me to still "work" on her while getting to play other characters. And likewise, if I get a reward I don't need for her, I can open it on an alt that does need it. I like not feeling pressured to "keep up" on all my characters, and I appreciate being able to play the way I want and still get rewards, even allowing me to give rewards to a character that isn't getting played at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Arnenna

It would work much more smoothly if one alt is feeding one separate, character based system, and each alt can claim as they go. There would be no need for this repeatable reward at the end of the track then, as each alt is earning their own keep.

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But this defeats the whole purpose of making it easier to keep up with alt LIs that was a primary goal of the new LI system. If we go back to needed to grind out character bound LI items, then what what the point of the LI revamp? I love the fact that I can help my alts while playing my main. I love the fact that I can help my main while playing my alts.

As others has said, there's nothing you can even buy with those Ancient Scripts. One of my biggest problem with this new system is that I had several characters that ended up having new LI's full of TEAL 121 lvl traceries. Maybe one or two purple. I got them by appraising my old LI's. Now, I should upgrade to lvl 131 traceries, but with ancient scripts, I can only buy yellow or purple runes, and as you know, lvl 131 purple is not as good as lvl 121 teal tracery. Because you actually LOSE skill boosts that way. Someone suggested that we could barter ancient scripts for those items (forgot the name and cannot check as servers are down) needed for teal or golden traceries, and I support it. In old system, there was no yellow-purple-teal-gold legacies, they were all the same. And 1st Agers were already out for everyone, including soloers. I find it hard to switch from teal tracery to purple, let alone yellow.

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Originally Posted by petrikur

Someone ate all their IXP runes?
There was a dude here on forums the other day who claimed they have finished the reward tracker 30 times over, yet claimed the issue was not that they had eaten all of their IXP runes in one go.

The reward track isn't designed to be broken like this but we see it certainly can be. It will not really be an issue after you stopped getting more IXP runes.

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I believe I am "a dude" you are referring. As you can see from OP's post, he and others have done the reward track lvl 101 way more than I have. Also, we are getting IXP runes still.

This is getting a bit boring. After Gundabad update, I didn't touch my alts much at all (except one that I played through Gundabad, and my new brawler that didn't have IXP quests yet), because I didn't want to "lose" IXP, so I had to wait until reward track was here. And I mostly played something else. Now the reward track is here, but after reaching lvl 100 (which happens quite fast by normal questing), there's again not much to do because there's nothing to buy with ancient scripts. Cannot even barter them to something else! Maybe it's time for something else again until Reward Track is resetted...

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Originally Posted by Curuer_Bauglir

But this defeats the whole purpose of making it easier to keep up with alt LIs that was a primary goal of the new LI system. If we go back to needed to grind out character bound LI items, then what what the point of the LI revamp? I love the fact that I can help my alts while playing my main. I love the fact that I can help my main while playing my alts.

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You have answered your own questions with your final sentence. You are using alts, to feed your main. Your alts are not getting their rewards, your main is getting them. Or your main is feeding your alts, and then your main doesn't get them. You get one or the other - not both.

It should work that all eligible alts feed the reward track, but the actual LI rewards are then available to each of those alts.

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Originally Posted by Arnenna

You have answered your own questions with your final sentence. You are using alts, to feed your main. Your alts are not getting their rewards, your main is getting them. Or your main is feeding your alts, and then your main doesn't get them. You get one or the other - not both.

It should work that all eligible alts feed the reward track, but the actual LI rewards are then available to each of those alts.

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I agree, I'm totally against the account-wide nature of this track, not only because the whole system can be cheesed by levelling or turning in IXP on lower levels (which is entirely more efficient than actually doing content or turning in IXP at 140), but because the rewards are claimable once, per account. In terms of what it gives, it's enough for one toon, if you don't care so much about whether your traceries are all gold/teal or if absolutely every tracery is maxed, and that's fine, if you have one character, and if you aren't particularly raiding, but if you have multiple characters, and are doing end-game content/raiding regularly on more than one character, it's not sufficient, by any means.

Aside from the reward track the only other method currently of obtaining a gold tracery is either finishing the line of durin epic on every single character you have (which isn't a farmable method) or doing HoR T4 which is probably single-handedly the worst 6man I've ever seen in this game, on top of that, the tracery you get is RANDOM, which is another thing I just cannot understand, you can run the instance 100x and end up with 100 useless gold traceries and because of the way it works, you can't use these to even buy ONE tracery you could use because you lack the gold tracery token. Now, I'm not saying it should be easy, or that we should be having LI materials thrown at us, but something needs to change with the current reward track, and I seriously cannot comprehend the cap on ancient scripts, especially when so many people had 100-200-300,000+ scripts prior to Gundabad due to the Appraisal system.

Give us the option to buy teal/gold tracery tokens for 5-10k AS respectively. It would solve a LOT of problems.

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Originally Posted by Hephburz-2

I agree, I'm totally against the account-wide nature of this track, not only because the whole system can be cheesed by levelling or turning in IXP on lower levels (which is entirely more efficient than actually doing content or turning in IXP at 140), but because the rewards are claimable once, per account. In terms of what it gives, it's enough for one toon, if you don't care so much about whether your traceries are all gold/teal or if absolutely every tracery is maxed, and that's fine, if you have one character, and if you aren't particularly raiding, but if you have multiple characters, and are doing end-game content/raiding regularly on more than one character, it's not sufficient, by any means.

Aside from the reward track the only other method currently of obtaining a gold tracery is either finishing the line of durin epic on every single character you have (which isn't a farmable method) or doing HoR T4 which is probably single-handedly the worst 6man I've ever seen in this game, on top of that, the tracery you get is RANDOM, which is another thing I just cannot understand, you can run the instance 100x and end up with 100 useless gold traceries and because of the way it works, you can't use these to even buy ONE tracery you could use because you lack the gold tracery token. Now, I'm not saying it should be easy, or that we should be having LI materials thrown at us, but something needs to change with the current reward track, and I seriously cannot comprehend the cap on ancient scripts, especially when so many people had 100-200-300,000+ scripts prior to Gundabad due to the Appraisal system.

Give us the option to buy teal/gold tracery tokens for 5-10k AS respectively. It would solve a LOT of problems.

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This is exactly what I mean, you put it into words much better than I did. I like to gear three alts up well for higher content. My hunter, purely because she is my main and my completionist, my minstrel, for heals and my champ for AoE melee dps. I don't run a tank, but, I do have two level cap tanks that just mess around on landscape and solo instances. Should I ever decide to grow them for end game, this system will never allow gearing for it. I've battered the reward track, having it maxed out in about two weeks and claimed well over 350 end repeatable boxes so far. I have one alt in gold and teal traceries as a result of that activity. 2 still to go to keep on top of the three characters I play on a more serious level. I'm loaded to the hilt on scripts, as if SSG thought that if they give us tons of these things, it makes the system look generous. They are just a distraction as far as I'm concerned, until we can purchase something useful with them.

I really disliked how the old imbued system was such a pain for new or returning players or players with many alts to catch up. This system, puts us all in that boat.

I understand that nearly every player has their own approach to the game, so it is impossible to balance these kinds of systems across everyone's needs -- but I definitely hope that SSG seriously considers some major tweaks to this reward track going forward.

Here is my situation: I have one main character (just reached level 140) and a bunch of mostly abandoned lower-level alts that I hardly play anymore. I'm a casual player limited on game-time, so I've decided to prioritize mostly just keeping up with one character. I was able to appraise that character's existing LIs for enough script and tokens to set up my new LIs, and have mostly used the rewards from the Gundabad questing to upgrade some of the traceries and such. Because of the appraisal, I have been at the Ancient Script currency cap from the beginning, which has turned out to be a major problem in multiple ways. Among other things, I have basically been ignoring the Reward Track because I can't do anything with the Ancient Script boxes that you get as a reward, so I don't even know what level I am up to by now. Plus, I have a whole collection of IXP runes now that I haven't even touched because why try to advance the rewards beyond just normal questing? SSG seems to think that players will be using their stored IXP runes for this initial reward track, but I am at least one player who hasn't touched them at all.

There have been some other good suggestions in this thread, but I would like to echo these:
1) Remove the Ancient Script currency cap, or at least increase it by a significant amount to 50K or even 100K.
2) Allow a trade-in/barter for Ancient Script to the tokens needed for higher-tier traceries and such.

I am ambivalent about the account-wide nature of this track -- I can see how that could have some definite advantages and one day I might return to some of my alts to play with it that way. But with the limited game time I have, and with focusing on just one character, all I can say is that the Reward Track has been basically meaningless to me.

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Originally Posted by Arnenna

As there is nothing to buy, coupled with a currency cap, this creates quite the storage problem. It's becoming a theme here at LOTRO. Add currency with cap, couple that up with very little at the barter.

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Exactly. I've created extra characters just to store all the traceries I can't deconstruct, and items that cant be ashed to embers due to caps and nothing worth or able to buy with them. Along with these 50 script boxes that will probably be lost due to script cap when the reward track resets. So frustrating.

Maybe I'm not taking the traceries seriously enough, or maybe I don't want to get wound up too much, but the approach I take with my 4 level 140s, is first reward track all the goodies go to main, 2nd season go to secondary etc.

Yes I am annoyed that I can't replace my all teal lvl 121 traceries with lvl 131 teals but that's a problem for the next level cap raise. I'm just saving the lvl 140 purple traceries but not using them, why lower my characters abilities before I have to? The new LI system is horribly flawed and not thought through by SSG but the reward track is not the cause, source or solution to that problem.

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Originally Posted by Once_of_Bree

Yes I am annoyed that I can't replace my all teal lvl 121 traceries with lvl 131 teals but that's a problem for the next level cap raise.

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Also a problem because there's a 0% chance they give us that same pass again--T15 traceries are not going to stop at tier 499, so T14 and T15 won't be identical stat-wise, like T13 and T14 currently are--which they just did to ease our transition, since they rolled out the changes weeks before a cap increase.

Depending on secondary stat increases, we may be going through the process of replace non-essential T14 teals with purples -> replace purples with teals -> replace teals with golds. Which will be a ton of script, even without considering the cap--10k cap for a person with 1 character might not be bad, if you need 6-10k AS to upgrade LIs. But the person with 5 characters who needs 30-50k script to do the same thing? Boned.

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Originally Posted by Once_of_Bree

The new LI system is horribly flawed and not thought through by SSG but the reward track is not the cause, source or solution to that problem.

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No one is here asking for it to be any of those things though? Just pointing out inherent flaws with the actual reward track itself.