Names in Middle-Earth, Quick Guide

Trying for another Sindarin name. Using "faen" (radiant? white?) with "eirien" (flower? daisy?) I was thinking either Faeneirien or dropping the first "i" (I'm hoping that's okay) for "Faenerien". I hope I have the words in the correct order. Am I close? Is "eirien" really a daisy because it would be perfect if it is.

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Originally Posted by Thoroval

Trying for another Sindarin name. Using "faen" (radiant? white?) with "eirien" (flower? daisy?) I was thinking either Faeneirien or dropping the first "i" (I'm hoping that's okay) for "Faenerien". I hope I have the words in the correct order. Am I close? Is "eirien" really a daisy because it would be perfect if it is.

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Faeneirien would be the correct compound, though pronunciation would be close still by dropping that first i. And yes, eirien is daisy.

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Originally Posted by MissGrace

So, I'm thinking of creating an Elf Hunter, and I want to name her Wind-maiden. Would Gwaewen be correct?

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Unfortunately, I don't have my resources with me today (at home dealing with a sick baby), but when I can get back into the office, I'll check this.

I hope your baby gets better Berephon. :(

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Faeneirien would be the correct compound, though pronunciation would be close still by dropping that first i. And yes, eirien is daisy.

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Thanks Berephon. :)

I hope your little lore monkey gets better quickly. Maybe you could spend the day reading The Hobbit to him? You can never start too early. ;)

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Unfortunately, I don't have my resources with me today (at home dealing with a sick baby), but when I can get back into the office, I'll check this.

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Oh noes! I'll pray the little one gets well soon!

-SarahJo

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Originally Posted by MissGrace

So, I'm thinking of creating an Elf Hunter, and I want to name her Wind-maiden. Would Gwaewen be correct?

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Yes, indeedy. Either Gwaewen (pronounced Gwiwen) or Súlwen

What is the source used to come up with these names? I'd like to try to come up with one, or two myself.

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Originally Posted by Kuranese

What is the source used to come up with these names? I'd like to try to come up with one, or two myself.

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If you're looking for a Sindarin name, I reference A Gateway to Sindarin by David Salo. For other names, I use The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth by Ruth S. Noel.

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Originally Posted by Kuranese

What is the source used to come up with these names? I'd like to try to come up with one, or two myself.

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A Gateway to Sindarin by David Salo. Out of the many sources that were reviewed by us, this one proved the most accurate.


http://www.amazon.com/Gateway-Sindar...5101279&sr=8-1

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If you're looking for a Sindarin name, I reference A Gateway to Sindarin by David Salo.

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EDIT: Great minds, and all that. :D

Shameless necro...wouldn't want to see this thread disappear into the Void.

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Shameless necro...wouldn't want to see this thread disappear into the Void.

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/REPORTED! :eek: o

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Shameless necro...wouldn't want to see this thread disappear into the Void.

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It's in the spirit of the launch of Dol Guldur! :D

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Shameless necro...wouldn't want to see this thread disappear into the Void.

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heh, it wouldnt dissapear, with the launch of mirkwood coming up, ill have 2 knew characters to name, and the thread would have been rezzed then, if not by me, then def by someoe else.

also, isnt this thread in the hall of fame and therefore immune to the purge?

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Originally Posted by skorpion352

also, isnt this thread in the hall of fame and therefore immune to the purge?

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Alas, while it probably should be, it doesn't appear to be.

Quick, someone PM Patience and nominate this thread, quick!! Before Berephon is left bereft and bereaved by the befoulment of his hope and...

ok, I give up, I couldn't continue the be- carnage any further...

But someone should still PM Patience to nominate (I would, but I'm sneaking a peek at work...)

I've always wondered how to pronounce Michel Delving. Any help?

I am bumping this again.This is great info.I am not a lore head like most .Heck after watching the movies i just wanted to help little Frodo make it to the damn mountain.But regardless being a new character i like the dictionary .It actually had me staring at definitions and translations for like an hour today.Sticky this hehe

How about this... I'll actually ask a question thus bumping the thread while keeping it on topic at the same time! ;)

So just on a whim I named my Elven runekeeper Hadorandir.

-randir, is a suggested name suffix and means wanderer or pilgrim. Hado, however, I just picked out of the air to tack onto the front end.

I come to find out as I'm browsing Hiswelókë's Online Sindarin Dictionary that hador means thrower (of spears and darts). So, inadvertently I seem to have picked a name that might mean "wandering thrower of spears (and darts)." Obviously this would have been more appropriate for my Warden (though he's a Hobbit and I do believe that Gergen Punditree, Fool, fits him to a tee).

I've been wondering, however, if my grammatical construction is right for that translation? Or would there be some more radical alteration of the roots (as there sometimes seems to be as I've perused this thread)?

My thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by Hothgaren

How about this... I'll actually ask a question thus bumping the thread while keeping it on topic at the same time! ;)

So just on a whim I named my Elven runekeeper Hadorandir.

-randir, is a suggested name suffix and means wanderer or pilgrim. Hado, however, I just picked out of the air to tack onto the front end.

I come to find out as I'm browsing Hiswelókë's Online Sindarin Dictionary that hador means thrower (of spears and darts). So, inadvertently I seem to have picked a name that might mean "wandering thrower of spears (and darts)." Obviously this would have been more appropriate for my Warden (though he's a Hobbit and I do believe that Gergen Punditree, Fool, fits him to a tee).

I've been wondering, however, if my grammatical construction is right for that translation? Or would there be some more radical alteration of the roots (as there sometimes seems to be as I've perused this thread)?

My thanks in advance.

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Did I go off topic ?I didn't have a question but felt the need to bump it.:)

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Originally Posted by Raederle

I've always wondered how to pronounce Michel Delving. Any help?

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It's either "mitchel" or "mickle." If you find authoritative confirmation, let me know.

According to the Encyclopedia of Arda, it's pronounced like "mitchel:"

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'Michel' comes from Old English Micel [meaning 'big' or 'great," so the name means something like "big hole" or "great digging"]. In Old English, the letter 'c' (in these circumstances, at least) would normally be pronounced as modern 'ch'. So, in rendering the name 'Michel', Tolkien simply seems to be adjusting the spelling to make it simpler for a modern audience to read and pronounce.

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Consider also the Dwarven city Belegost ("Great Fortress"), commonly called Mickleburg. Clearly, Michel Delving and Mickleburg derive from Old English micel. The contrast in spelling lends credence to the "mitchel" pronunciation for Michel Devling.

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Originally Posted by Raederle

I've always wondered how to pronounce Michel Delving. Any help?

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Here you go:

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...ng#post3990147

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Originally Posted by Hothgaren

How about this... I'll actually ask a question thus bumping the thread while keeping it on topic at the same time! ;)

So just on a whim I named my Elven runekeeper Hadorandir.

-randir, is a suggested name suffix and means wanderer or pilgrim. Hado, however, I just picked out of the air to tack onto the front end.

I come to find out as I'm browsing Hiswelókë's Online Sindarin Dictionary that hador means thrower (of spears and darts). So, inadvertently I seem to have picked a name that might mean "wandering thrower of spears (and darts)." Obviously this would have been more appropriate for my Warden (though he's a Hobbit and I do believe that Gergen Punditree, Fool, fits him to a tee).

I've been wondering, however, if my grammatical construction is right for that translation? Or would there be some more radical alteration of the roots (as there sometimes seems to be as I've perused this thread)?

My thanks in advance.

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The direct translation of Hadorandir (hador, which also means warrior + randir) would be "Wanderer of the Warrior," "Wanderer of the Thrower," or "Wanderer of the Spear-hurler." Or you could idiomatically, as you suggested, say Wandering instead of Wanderer, thus "Wandering Warrior," "Wandering Thrower," or "Wandering Spear-hurler."

Yeah, would have made a better Warden. :)

As a lover of puns, I could not pass on:

My new Captain on Windfola I named 'Calenbor'. If my Sindarin dictionary is correct, it means both 'Shining/Bright Fist' -- after the iconic air-punching motions of the Captain -- and 'Green Hand' (greenhand), that is, a newb. (I've never played Captain before.)

An earlier Rune-keeper I named 'Wilwarenlach', which my Sindarin dictionary says is 'Butterfly Flame', that is, bug-zapper. (I have since deleted this character; I just could not put up with all the, well, bug zapping!)

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Originally Posted by BINKLEY1

As a lover of puns, I could not pass on:

My new Captain on Windfola I named 'Calenbor'. If my Sindarin dictionary is correct, it means both 'Shining/Bright Fist' -- after the iconic air-punching motions of the Captain -- and 'Green Hand' (greenhand), that is, a newb. (I've never played Captain before.)

An earlier Rune-keeper I named 'Wilwarenlach', which my Sindarin dictionary says is 'Butterfly Flame', that is, bug-zapper. (I have since deleted this character; I just could not put up with all the, well, bug zapping!)

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Calen means green or bright-colored, Paur (which becomes -bor at the end of compounds)means fist or tightly closed han, so yeah your translations are essentially correct.

Butterfly Flame (or Flame of the Butterfly) would be Gwilwilethnor or Gwilwilethril. Gwilwilethlach would be Leaping Flame of the Butterfly. Close but not quite. :)