Names in Middle-Earth, Quick Guide

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Indeed. Aurochs is both singular and plural. (It also happens to b a genuine extinct form of cattle.)

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And we can blame Turbine for their extinction. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Indeed. Aurochs is both singular and plural. (It also happens to b a genuine extinct form of cattle.)

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It may have been mentioned here before (sorry if I missed it): Wikipedia has a fascinating article on the Aurochs, with a lot of language material on the plural:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs

After reading this, I am partial to Aurochsen. What is clear: there is no obvious consensus. (And the scientific nomenclature is just as mixed.)

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Originally Posted by Kraggy

And we can blame Turbine for their extinction. :rolleyes:

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No, you can blame me. :cool:

Hey Berephon, if you still read this, Balchagar would be Cruel-blood (perhaps without the hyphen), correct?

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Originally Posted by Sylux14

Hey Berephon, if you still read this, Balchagar would be Cruel-blood (perhaps without the hyphen), correct?

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If I still read this? Pfft.

Yes, indeed. :)

could i please get an elvish translation of spider and pig, and how you would combine them (ie spiderpig. no bonus points for spotting the reference)

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Originally Posted by skorpion352

could i please get an elvish translation of spider and pig, and how you would combine them (ie spiderpig. no bonus points for spotting the reference)

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Sorry, Sindarin has no word for pig, hog, or boar. Elves pretend they don't exist.

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Sorry, Sindarin has no word for pig, hog, or boar. Elves pretend they don't exist.

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:eek: heretics! :eek:

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Sorry, Sindarin has no word for pig, hog, or boar. Elves pretend they don't exist.

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The elves must have been awakened in Evendim then. This also explains why some pigs are protected in Lothlorien, the elves must be awed by this strange new unknown creature.

Super interesting guys, thanks!

Smith-fótar, Smith-feld and Luth-feld... these names have fascinated me since my first alt discovered them, so I sought Berephon's aid in translating them. He told me they were Old-English names constructed for the game.
So I looked a little deeper and came up with some conclusions. Note there is every possibility that I'm hugely off track :)

Smith - has to be as in 'Smithy' but can also be used for 'forge'
fótar - the nearest I could get to this was 'fodder/food' but also 'case/sheath'
feld - 'field' but also 'battlefield'

Luth - no idea, maybe luft, air, float... lightness?

So putting some things togther I came up with Smith-fótar (shoes) being 'forged encasement'. Kinda fits.
Smith-feld (cloak), 'forged on the battlefield'
Luth-feld (cloak) 'light cloak'

Comments? as I said I may be way off planet here!

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Originally Posted by unclemuzza

Smith-fótar, Smith-feld and Luth-feld... these names have fascinated me since my first alt discovered them, so I sought Berephon's aid in translating them. He told me they were Old-English names constructed for the game.
So I looked a little deeper and came up with some conclusions. Note there is every possibility that I'm hugely off track :)

Smith - has to be as in 'Smithy' but can also be used for 'forge'
fótar - the nearest I could get to this was 'fodder/food' but also 'case/sheath'
feld - 'field' but also 'battlefield'

Luth - no idea, maybe luft, air, float... lightness?

So putting some things togther I came up with Smith-fótar (shoes) being 'forged encasement'. Kinda fits.
Smith-feld (cloak), 'forged on the battlefield'
Luth-feld (cloak) 'light cloak'

Comments? as I said I may be way off planet here!

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Actually, now that I'm looking at them, these may be dwarf-make items, so it may be Old Norse, rather than Old English.

Lemme see....

Edit: Yes, indeed, Old Norse, which we use for North-men and non-Moria dwarf-make. Smith-feld (Cloak of Mastery), Smith-fótar (literally Feet of Mastery), Luth-feld (Cloak of Destiny or Cloak of Fate).

Don't want to overload B, so anyone know where I can actively look up names of lotro gear?
I love the new lore that the turbine lore-monkeys have come up with, especially names, and I think I would appreciate a lot more of the 'background theme' in this game if I knew the english translation of the things I am wearing or wore once apon a time.
I know I'm not the only one who loves the lore, but alas is as familar with Norse, Sindarin, Quenya, Old English etc. about as well as I'm familiar with Greek or Latin - which is barely at all.

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Sorry, Sindarin has no word for pig, hog, or boar. Elves pretend they don't exist.

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is there a dwarven translation for spider pig?

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Originally Posted by skorpion352

is there a dwarven translation for spider pig?

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In our pseudo-Khuzdul: Nukbul-khuzr

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Originally Posted by Berephon

Sorry, Sindarin has no word for pig, hog, or boar. Elves pretend they don't exist.

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I don't know, this seems like the wrong answer, I think that in this case either Tolkien never thought about them and didn't bother making a word for them, or else the Tolkien estate has yet to have released the page where it's written. Just seems really unlikely to me that the Elves would ignore an animal this common.

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Originally Posted by Berephon

In our pseudo-Khuzdul: Nukbul-khuzr

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thanks

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Originally Posted by lf2536

I don't know, this seems like the wrong answer, I think that in this case either Tolkien never thought about them and didn't bother making a word for them, or else the Tolkien estate has yet to have released the page where it's written. Just seems really unlikely to me that the Elves would ignore an animal this common.

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i thought this orininally too, but then i realised that the abundance of boars was turbines doing and while there would have been boars reguardless, they might not have been as abundant in the origional material

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Originally Posted by lf2536

I don't know, this seems like the wrong answer, I think that in this case either Tolkien never thought about them and didn't bother making a word for them, or else the Tolkien estate has yet to have released the page where it's written. Just seems really unlikely to me that the Elves would ignore an animal this common.

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(I think it was a joke :) )

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Originally Posted by skorpion352

thanks



i thought this orininally too, but then i realised that the abundance of boars was turbines doing and while there would have been boars reguardless, they might not have been as abundant in the origional material

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obviously a certain dev, who shall not be named, *cough* Fantus *chough* added more boars to LOTRO then Tolkien's ME would have had, but even so, boars and pigs aren't that uncommon that they can be ignored.

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Originally Posted by MissGrace

(I think it was a joke :) )

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perhaps, but it's an interesting question to be raised non the less.

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Originally Posted by lf2536

perhaps, but it's an interesting question to be raised non the less.

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True!

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What's Sindarin and/or pseudo-Khuzdul for loyal?

I'm toying with new names, either as surnames or character names, but I've decided to create the characters based on the names this time.

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Originally Posted by TheOneRinger

What's Sindarin and/or pseudo-Khuzdul for loyal?

I'm toying with new names, either as surnames or character names, but I've decided to create the characters based on the names this time.

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Sindarin "bôr N. [bˈɔːr] pl. bŷr N. [bˈyːr] (berein N., beren N.) n. steadfast, trusty man, faithful vassal ◇ Ety/353"

It's the root of Boromir's name, which mean's Steadfast, Precious Jewel

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Originally Posted by Berephon

In our pseudo-Khuzdul: Nukbul-khuzr

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how woudl that be pronounced? currently my dwarf champ has been givign the nickname "nucklehead" by a kinmate because its too hard to pronouce

Berephon, can we have a name for a new Rogmul? :D

Here is a question for Berephon or anyone who might happen to know.

What is the difference, if any, between the Sindarin pronunciations of "ú" and "û"?