If anything was proved today all you smegg haters are dead wrong about him

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Lets take off the rosy freep goggles for a second here. While I certainly can't argue with the observation that often times a medium sized raid rolls single freeps (repeatedly if possible), I simply don't see what the issue is. Now I can say absolutely and positively say that a Smegg raid has NEVER been formed to kill a single freep, but once we have formed a raid we're going to march around the map and kill s*** until there's nothing left to kill (that is the point of the game after all). Of course freeps have three options in that scenario 1) Group Up, 2) Leave, and my favorite 3) try that run from tr rez to ec just one more time. :P

In regards to r v r play, I'll simply repost what I've said before. On creepside we usually disband after we've tried every sort of fight. First we fight you open field, win that, we push you close to a rez. If we win that, we push you into a keep so you have NPCs. Conversely, if we lose the open field we expect you to come fight us. We're not idiots you know (well, I am, but most aren't). If we lose a fight near our rez we withdraw to a keep. If we get our a$$ kicked there, we leave.

I don't see where the blame comes in. In my experience many freep groups leave after 1 or 2 bad losses. On average we stick around for double that (maybe we are idiots) to try to get some good action going. Apologies if the renown fest comes to a close before you've gorged yourself, but them's the breaks.

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I can tell you rigs, i stuck out with my small group against 2 craids -wiped must of been 10-12 times, a few weeks back, and held out till we got enough numbers to win, and boy did it take a while, and hell yeah i got as many as i could, i didn't mind the dieing, i got a couple kills here n there, i didn't quit, i just kept trying, eventually numbers picked up and the painful trying paid off. In my experience creeps wipe and leave. See it time and time again. So many times, we group up, they see we've grouped up, and leave, its just the awkward timing of when a freep group says, welll that was weak, and disbands, theres another raid from creeps 5 minutes later.. afraid or what?

Smegg fought us open field 4 times and lost before heading into red TR. so your said tactic is a bit off...

I can also tell you Smegg will have a PVE group to farm 5 solos in TA. its happened... im gonna need to start SS this stuff ... but ye, point is, smegg has raided solo's, you mustn't be online at the time. Ive sen countless freeps end up in TR rez saying 'not going to get zerged in ec another 10 times, later'

The other night when it was 3 groups against like, 10 solo freeps in tr, screw that, we all went to gv and said we can wait for the numbers to lessen, see what its like, see if we wanna fight it with a raid, of course when we try, they log off -rofl.- /endQQ

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The other night when it was 3 groups against like, 10 solo freeps in tr, screw that, we all went to gv and said we can wait for the numbers to lessen, see what its like, see if we wanna fight it with a raid, of course when we try, they log off

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Again, this happens to both sides. I had MMagnus bring 5 of his friends to come kill me in HH yesterday. Why did they do that? I doubt they grouped up solely for the purpose of killing me, but since I was there why not give it a try? That's how it works out here and I've played with Smegg long enough to know that's how he works too.

Simply put, like it or not neither Smegg nor I like repeatedly fighting fights we lose. If it takes 15 catestrophic losses to finally eek out a win againts freeps that's still not a win in my books.

While I can't speak for Smegg, in the ongoing battle that is moors PvP my interest in getting infamy only slightly out-weighs my interest in robbing freeps of renown. I don't want to give my enemies points and I'll do my best to win every fight I find myself in. Sure freeps will get points off me, but they'll have to rip them from my cold dead hands. Understand that as the underlying pvp philosophy behind our raids and it'll help you understand why we don't repeatedly fight fights we have no chance of winning.

The difference is you see people like Mmagnus, whom you've mentioned, out there soloing even when freeps are horribly outnumbered. The reality in the moors is you see an enemy you go kill it and you don't stop to ask if it is grouped or not. BUT...certain people are always grouped no matter the situation. A lot of times, this is what happens:

No grouped freeps, no grouped creeps. Smegg and group of creeps forms and roams map destroying ungrouped freeps. Freeps group up. If the group starts to roll Smegg group, smegg group disappears. Freep group breaks and 10 minutes later creep group of 20 is out taking the map with again no grouped freeps. This has happened SO MANY TIMES THAT IT IS NOT EVEN DEBATABLE. What does that look like to you? It looks like somebody is grouping to pick off ungrouped freeps only to run with their tail between their legs when the other side gets their **** together. That's why people get pissed off.

And it doesn't always happen that way, but it happens often enough that it becomes a pattern. You wouldn't have these kinds of threads otherwise.

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The difference is you see people like Mmagnus, whom you've mentioned, out there soloing even when freeps are horribly outnumbered. The reality in the moors is you see an enemy you go kill it and you don't stop to ask if it is grouped or not. BUT...certain people are always grouped no matter the situation. A lot of times, this is what happens:

No grouped freeps, no grouped creeps. Smegg and group of creeps forms and roams map destroying ungrouped freeps. Freeps group up. If the group starts to roll Smegg group, smegg group disappears. Freep group breaks and 10 minutes later creep group of 20 is out taking the map with again no grouped freeps. This has happened SO MANY TIMES THAT IT IS NOT EVEN DEBATABLE. What does that look like to you? It looks like somebody is grouping to pick off ungrouped freeps only to run with their tail between their legs when the other side gets their **** together. That's why people get pissed off.

And it doesn't always happen that way, but it happens often enough that it becomes a pattern. You wouldn't have these kinds of threads otherwise.

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I bet you that does happen when you fight smegg.. However.. every time I lead a grp/raid the same occurs except the freeps are the ones who dissapear.

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i don't know what you guys are talking about, smegg is such a sweetie.

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No grouped freeps, no grouped creeps. Smegg and group of creeps forms and roams map destroying ungrouped freeps. Freeps group up. If the group starts to roll Smegg group, smegg group disappears. Freep group breaks and 10 minutes later creep group of 20 is out taking the map with again no grouped freeps. This has happened SO MANY TIMES THAT IT IS NOT EVEN DEBATABLE. What does that look like to you? It looks like somebody is grouping to pick off ungrouped freeps only to run with their tail between their legs when the other side gets their **** together. That's why people get pissed off.

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I bet you that does happen when you fight smegg.. However.. every time I lead a grp/raid the same occurs except the freeps are the ones who dissapear.

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I couldn't agree more. It happens on both sides and it happens for the same reasons. Freeps don't want to fight fights they might lose and neither do (some) creeps. Freeps laud creeps who wipe without a second thought and come back for more, I know this because freeps used to love my suicidal tendencies and love me considerably less now that those tendencies are gone. I'll say it again that our creep raids don't form to wipe solo freeps...that's just an added bonus.

I think its safe to say that freeps don't like over-powered creep groups and vice versa. So if we have the same complaints, why voice them at all?

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EVERYTIME, this is what happens:

No grouped freeps, no grouped creeps. Smegg and group of creeps forms and roams map destroying ungrouped freeps. Freeps group up. WHEN the group starts to roll Smegg group, smegg group disappears. Freep group breaks and 20 minutes later creep group of 10-20 is out taking the map with again no grouped freeps. This has happened SO MANY TIMES THAT IT IS NOT EVEN DEBATABLE. What does that look like to you? It looks like somebody is grouping to pick off ungrouped freeps only to run with their tail between their legs when the other side groups up. That's why people get pissed off.

And it ALWAYS happen that way and is a pattern. You wouldn't have these kinds of threads otherwise.

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Fixed it for ya

i don't leave when rash shows up, i die several times when he has a group, if hes around on his own i tend to try finding out where he is and wide circuit him :P

Rigs, I know and see everything you say, but also with les -dam 2k warden- Its so true that the norm is wipe solo's run from group. Its sad thats what the pvp here has degenerated into. I honestly don't care if im outnumbered, sure if i die several times outnumbered 2-1 i get frustrated, you gotta ask yourself why don't you just lose numbers? even it out a bit so were all having fun and point-nabbin not just horridly one sided, as ive stated in a previous thread, if i see all im doing is face-rolling, i either disband or leave, and thats how i like to play, easy points or not, i think ive pointed out enough i prefer fair fighting, and though i accept its nigh on impossible to achieve this, i like to do my part to hopefully even out the playing field just a bit, i can't help it if the people who want an inv to my raid is cappys/rks/minis, also if we have to much i say, i might start saying hey can you switch to another class? we need more of this? or just set a limit to my raid if i can get a count on the craid. likewise i can't help smegg adding 6 WLs to his raid. Yeah we won those 4 open field battles -btw you did win one of them so tech 5 were done- but it wasn't just a face-roll, they were long and drawn out, thats a good kinda fight i like, not just a minute of near roflfailure from the otherside, i hate it. i see a BA hitting evade against a hunter as an i win -rofl i need to hit evade- button, i don't like it cuz it renders me useless, but i have accepted my fate, and just stand there and get shot to death nearly, yeah ill try and knock the d-bag down as far as i can with a HS, but we all know what happened to that with audacity, so instead, i pray that a tactical class isn't far behind and do what i can to harm him enough to not escape, i fight to the death, as you say, you can take the points from my dead hands, yeah im an easy kill, yes my playstyle doesn't really reflect my class. But im not gonna just sit at the back and cowardly run forward for a kb and run back again.

Im not terrific at my class either, im still learning, improving slowly, and building on my knowledge of how my class works, even if the way i play it isn't the best, ill one day hopefully perfect it to work, we'll see, but im done being told how to play my class, yes i moan sometimes if i keep getting face-rolled cuz i run to the front, but im running to the front for that one chance, just one chance, to kill the low-morale d-bag trying to roflescape death, sick and tired of folk bailing on a fight just cuz there losing, i very rarely say, were losing, get out of there. Mostly im saying get to -said spot if you can- but stay grouped and kill what you can on the way. i don't just run away to die, i will do my best to die fighting, if everyones solo and running... well i die anyway so even running is useless, i stll try though :P

ive seen craids win just cuz of the healing output, thats why i stand by my statement, smegg needs to stop complaining about losing, cuz he needs to play his class the way it was designed, sounding hypocritical i know, but it could be so darn down to him that hes getting wiped, if only he did heal those that were dieing, maybe, JUST maybe, they'd manage to win, even if i have 3 minis 1-2 rks and 1-2 cappies. and FYI, that said open field night, i had 1 capt, 2 minis n 1 rk. and smegg had 6 WLs running with him, and possibly a couple of rank 4-7 defilers, and the dps lord himself. So ye, i hate going for long posts like this but i want to get my point across and make folk see whats wrong and what we can do to try and improve it, as said, ill happily drag 12v12 into tr hs and see who wins cuz we can't time a CM one, but yeah, im sorry to go on like this.

fighting to make the moors better - Inth.

Did smegg delete his I hate America and Americans post?

BTW why do you and djokadyn feel the need to vent your views of America or American soldiers to me? I never brought up being an American or an American soldier, how is it relevant to what's going on in LOTRO or the moors?

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Lets take off the rosy freep goggles for a second here. While I certainly can't argue with the observation that often times a medium sized raid rolls single freeps (repeatedly if possible), I simply don't see what the issue is. Now I can say absolutely and positively say that a Smegg raid has NEVER been formed to kill a single freep, but once we have formed a raid we're going to march around the map and kill s*** until there's nothing left to kill (that is the point of the game after all). Of course freeps have three options in that scenario 1) Group Up, 2) Leave, and my favorite 3) try that run from tr rez to ec just one more time. :P

In regards to r v r play, I'll simply repost what I've said before. On creepside we usually disband after we've tried every sort of fight. First we fight you open field, win that, we push you close to a rez. If we win that, we push you into a keep so you have NPCs. Conversely, if we lose the open field we expect you to come fight us. We're not idiots you know (well, I am, but most aren't). If we lose a fight near our rez we withdraw to a keep. If we get our a$$ kicked there, we leave.

I don't see where the blame comes in. In my experience many freep groups leave after 1 or 2 bad losses. On average we stick around for double that (maybe we are idiots) to try to get some good action going. Apologies if the renown fest comes to a close before you've gorged yourself, but them's the breaks.

In regards to the newly arrived Unforgiven group, while I certainly enjoy playing with you guys Smegg and I have long discussed the fact that you implement different tactics to what I just stated above. In my observation Unforgiven raids are willing to wipe their group repeatedly to get 3 or 4 kills each fight, while Smegg (and my) groups tend to take a more reserved approach to fighting. Simply put, Smegg and I try to pick our spots, attempting to have fights that are advantagous to us. Different philosophies, different styles, don't think a rift needs to exist.



This makes me laugh. The point is to get infamy yet let freeps retain control of a rez circle. You get nothing for flipping the flag except a bunch of freeps sitting in GV.

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We at UII did not come here bashing and or calling anyone 1 out!! infact we had stated a few times that Smeggs raids were fun, only 1 thing i disagreed with Smegg was how easy he quit, That was kept umongst a few of us and NOT taken to the the forums, why would Rigs and Smegg call UII out?? I have no clue. We were minding our own business and boom smegg calls us out in the forums, I will reiterate this for some of you creep raid leaders, We at UII will for the most part fight until we feel we are not getting absolutely any infamy, at that point and time we do not form a raid to sit in grams for 30 mins we will move around the map making them move and work for thier points! 99 times out of 100 thier raid will break up a bit into smaller groups, why sit in grams you ask>> I cannot even begin to explain this? Smegg maybe after the easy points to roll the map with ease? It just sounds like you craid leaders are star farming, i am sorry to hear that!!! Rig = Rest in grams i told UII that in no way wil we call anyone out, well i as wel wont let you talk &&&& on meh tribe, This is a game and only a game of the lotrol broadcast systems, Dam guys why worry about what others do in a game seriously I promise you no matter how good or bad you are or do, your real life wont be affected, unless you let it, I love you Smegg and Rigs, Lets be friends lets sing songs together i will start it out for you 2, I love you, you love me together we can be a heck of a killing team ........

Love your 1 and only Skullsmashin

I am Skullsmashin and I approve this message

I'm sorry.. but Smegg's raids are anything but tactical. Smegg raids are based upon taking a large group of freeps and smashing into another large group of freeps. It can be fun and there is nothing wrong with that.. but don't try to say that Smegg actually analyzes anything before going in. The difference between Smegg raids and UII raids is only that Smegg quits when the odds look grim

I'd have to agree and disagree with you rash yes smegg does log when the numbers look grim but he does try to use tactics sometimes. Just last night i was in a dahhu group of 8 sititng outside oc with smeggs craid hiding inside and twice they dissapeared only to come flank us always going for deno and zara first as we expected the second they couldnt kill one and theylost someone they were high tailing it into oc again. I will give him props for atleast trying to flank us. However smegg then dissapeared again for a good 5mins this time so it was check all the keeps for smegg and lo and behold he was inside ly with about another 10 more creep only to roll us a good 4-5 times over the next 1hr and lose once at south op then dissapear for the rest of the night. I dont know if its just me but after rolling freeps a good 5 times then losing once doesnt warrant a log off but hey thats smegg.

Dont mind my grammer its real bad

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This thread delivers!
I come back after a long.. long sabbatical and I see the hate still flows like a river.

Let's see if I can sum up the moors as I have seen the last 2 nights...

-Freeps hate anyone that leads raids and won't use some 'tactic' they want them to use
(since when were there rules other than game mechanics?)

- Creeps hate Intharth

Not to be rude here, but the last highly hated person on server was Shekrat... seems the new one is this freep Intharth.
I don't really know Intharth so forgive me for being naive.

So.. why is there so much hate for Smegg?
I ran with Smegg and the crew and he did not do anything that seemed off to me.
If anything the freeps running around like headless chickens made me insane.

There has been a lot of angst over Smegg in recent years.... I never had an issue with Smegg and I cannot see why others have issues with him or anyone else tbh.
Life is too short fellas.

Let's play and have fun..

I bet you they prefer me to frizle...

Im hated cuz i get annoyed easily :P simply that, in the past i saw unfairness and called it, they didn't like me calling it, recently ive been trying not to do it to much :3 except for certain d-bags on CM who can't learn to 1v1.

People flipped and were like 'you have to do this to your class and such' n tbh, idc how its set up, thats why i may sound hypocritical against said defiler. The difference is, my class is a full out dps, not much alternative like healing/cc/tanking atleast in the moors, theres no point in hiding at the back to me, sure i die more, but screw it im getting kills to.

Ive tried making peace with creeps, get rid of flipside drama, apparantly rash is to far up his own @$$ to see i was making peace. Smegg tried calling me out because he expected me to 1v1 a defiler in the open, when i was with a raid. Thats why i started to get annoyed at him, + his flanks are beyond predictable.

I wouldn't have a problem with him if he didn't start trying to call me out, im always pushing to try and make the game a place for folk to have fun, not be annoyed cuz of all the ''pve'' and ''drama'' I dislike it myself, but i wanna make my point. I try to be fair and equal, ive realised its not always possible, but i still try.

Also from what i got from splay about shekrat... i think i can be preferred to him aswell...

Whether or not its my playstyle, my attitude, or my ability to get annoyed easily ;P, not everyones gonna like it, atleast i don't fraud turbine.

And everyones annoyed at store-pots :P heck i had a laugh on brandywine yesterday when i saw an out of combat brand and when it got to 15 seconds he popped an in-combat one. Thats what i call scared. rofl. really though, i just want folk to have fun, its a game right? this drama is all a bunch of nonsense, but as i said, i just wanna get my points across, so they can hate me if they want, it doesn't bother me, im never gonna meet them.. i hope ;P, if there gonna hate me over a game thats fine.

And last night i was severely tired...

Btw, how long a break did you take :S cuz the pic in the other thread with you rank 5, is dahhus rank 7, and hes 13 now and youve only gone up a couple of ranks :$

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I bet you they prefer me to frizle...

Im hated cuz i get annoyed easily :P simply that, in the past i saw unfairness and called it, they didn't like me calling it, recently ive been trying not to do it to much :3 except for certain d-bags on CM who can't learn to 1v1.

People flipped and were like 'you have to do this to your class and such' n tbh, idc how its set up, thats why i may sound hypocritical against said defiler. The difference is, my class is a full out dps, not much alternative like healing/cc/tanking atleast in the moors, theres no point in hiding at the back to me, sure i die more, but screw it im getting kills to.

Ive tried making peace with creeps, get rid of flipside drama, apparantly rash is to far up his own @$$ to see i was making peace. Smegg tried calling me out because he expected me to 1v1 a defiler in the open, when i was with a raid. Thats why i started to get annoyed at him, + his flanks are beyond predictable.

I wouldn't have a problem with him if he didn't start trying to call me out, im always pushing to try and make the game a place for folk to have fun, not be annoyed cuz of all the ''pve'' and ''drama'' I dislike it myself, but i wanna make my point. I try to be fair and equal, ive realised its not always possible, but i still try.

Also from what i got from splay about shekrat... i think i can be preferred to him aswell...

Whether or not its my playstyle, my attitude, or my ability to get annoyed easily ;P, not everyones gonna like it, atleast i don't fraud turbine.

And everyones annoyed at store-pots :P heck i had a laugh on brandywine yesterday when i saw an out of combat brand and when it got to 15 seconds he popped an in-combat one. Thats what i call scared. rofl. really though, i just want folk to have fun, its a game right? this drama is all a bunch of nonsense, but as i said, i just wanna get my points across, so they can hate me if they want, it doesn't bother me, im never gonna meet them.. i hope ;P, if there gonna hate me over a game thats fine.

And last night i was severely tired...

Btw, how long a break did you take :S cuz the pic in the other thread with you rank 5, is dahhus rank 7, and hes 13 now and youve only gone up a couple of ranks :$

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I don't think you realize that hate and angst are what drives good lotoro pvp. You are too new to this game have even realized that yet. Stop trying to learn to lead and first learn how to play your class. Stop trying to "make peace" and instead try to actually win a fight once in a while.

This carebear bs ruins pvp so stop posting about it and play

See the thing is rash, when i lead, i do win, so no. Im not gonna listen to you. We can't all win and all lose every time. trial and error. hate and angst drives old players cuz they hate each other, im not like people who can't see past the end of their nose without being egotistical. plenty of folk on this server are liked and respected both sides, just cuz you hate everyone doesn't mean we all have to bow down to your example. sorry.

Its a game rash, not WW2. we don't have to actually hate the folk we're playing against. so stop being an idiot and have fun instead of hating everyone.

So far said 'carebear' has gotten me more respect in recent times, maybe from only a few but atleast its achieving something. If you don't like it.. well.. i don't think i care... your just another pixel on my screen who happens to dislike me, oh well, big deal. ill be the bigger man and rise above it.

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This. Shoot, Rash and basically any freep including myself would go at it like pitbulls on the forums, and the next time killing Rash felt so much better. I'm sure it did for him too, that CJ is like being addicted to crack lol. But when grouped in game, it was whatever. Just play the game for what it is, a game.

You want to grudge kill someone? Do it*.

You want to CJ someone like a boss? Do it*.

You want to dance around in a circle jerk? Do it*.

Rivalry makes this game so much better. It's what set's it apart from all other PvP games.

*Not able to do the aforementioned activities? Make forum posts and complain like there's no tomorrow, don't worry everyone will be sympathetic!

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I bet you they prefer me to frizle...

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Jury is out still :)

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Btw, how long a break did you take :S cuz the pic in the other thread with you rank 5, is dahhus rank 7, and hes 13 now and youve only gone up a couple of ranks :$

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On and off again over the last 5 years? play a few months if that then go on an extended break for 6-8 months :)
I have also transferred a few times, each time starting over.
None of my creeps has benefited from this new scheme until now..... I have almost burned all the way to r8 with all the quests giving points and stuff just in 2 days.

I agree with some of what Penionn says regarding hate and angst but only as long as it is contained to a degree.
The problem with the "in game hate" is that it spills over and then you have clowns posting personal info and threatening bodily injury and so forth. (see shekrat)
I think that you can still play and have fun in the game then go out for a beer later.
Just my opinion.

i just don't see the point of such hate and and anger on a game :/

the hate and angst I was referring to is not what you think it is Intharth. I do not personally hate anyone in this game. I do not lose sleep over anything that happens in this game. But when I come into the game I come to beat the opposition.

When the both sides like eachother.. you get fight clubbing... you get carebears... in the end all you get is a bunch of trash on both sides... I'm sure there are other servers like that. But that is not and NEVER WILL BE Vilya so you might as well go back to Brandy because we don't like carebears

Intharth is starting to remind me of another hunter formerly of Vilya who used to lead raids and write textopedias to every reply.

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Intharth is starting to remind me of another hunter formerly of Vilya who used to lead raids and write textopedias to every reply.

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I have been thinking the exact same thing.:D

Ahh the Ebb and flow of the moors. No matter how much $hit changes, it oh so remains the same.