Frelorn,Quote:
Originally Posted by Frelorn
The problem is that we only have previous examples to go by. So going from previous history with the devs it is pretty normal for us to start panicking.
This can be alleviated by actually having someone who plays the game talk to the devs who may not have the time to play the game. Just simply have them open a discussion about it and we can give that constructive input without us thinking it's going into a black hole like it previously has.
Ok, I will try to tone down the rhetoric...and hope that for once the input here is used. Because it must be. This is do or die.
http://i.imgur.com/6SDIQFP.jpg
This is totally not ok. CotC has NO cooldown on BR. You can use it over and over. Let me illustrate why this is bad...
http://i.imgur.com/SVXNnkW.jpg
And even if it weren't for the +Tact Dmg it gave, it would still be super broken and make healing even more linear and dull.
A completely new +32% Light Damage Modifier on Minstrel is incredibly OP as well. These sort of things need to be identified and removed/fixed. The new magnitudes on legacies are going to destroy what's left of PvP.
And less crucially...why is Anthem of War being converted to +Mastery? I don't like that at all.
Thankfully this is Beta 1, hopefully there is alot more before the launch of U16.
Can you fix the captain exploit in pvp please, bugging the one shooters is a pain :-D
Do wardens still benefit from both Agility and Might?
Will creeps have a decent boost?
Can you removed 24 man raids in PVP and 12?
Can you disable Target skill forwarding also in pvp please?
I understand this is beta, and only the first build for that matter, but you have to understand that seeing these huge changes, the community is concerned about how this will affect certain areas of the game -such as PVP-. If this goes live and nothing is done to creeps to compensate, a lot of people will up and leave until some semblance of balanced is restored. I don't think it would be too hard to put a little note up stating that according to testing results, something will be done to balance monster players accordingly. That at least would have made people breathe a little easier. In my opinion, you should up creep mitigations and morale to compensate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frelorn
Now, if these changes go live, something has to be done about the cost of LI upgrades. Farming instances all day yields 2-3k medallions, that's 2 empowerment scrolls at best. You need to either increase the medallion gain or decrease the cost of empowerment scrolls, which is frankly ridiculous compared to previous ones.
Someone isn't getting the whole imbuement system, and that in a system where something has to have the ability to keep leveling as you do you can't have Legacies that can reach a cap. Anything that increases duration/reduces cool down can't stay as a legacy, or they would eventually be up 100%, and then further levels in that legacy would be pointless, meaning the longer the game lasts, the more pointless they become, and the more that it nerfs the player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giliodor
As far as the Imbuement system itself goes, I'd like to see some way added to increase the "Age" of an existing item, and long term, see the entire system pushed down to level 10, with all the weapons in game basically being converted over, which would essentially give us some ability to pick how our weapons look. So tired of the boring mass produced LIs, WTB Legendary Captain's Arm :p
You could double warden dps while you are at it, they totally need it.
And decrease WL dps by 50% too.
I just want 2 simple things!
1 - Where is the MIGHT medium essence gear in DA for Beornings??? It stupid to use the agility one if we are a MIGHT based class. Its the same gear!!! Just switch the stats for god sake!
2 - Ranged item for beornings.
Has been 6 months already, how many more we will have to wait?
LoL I love this Frelorn...thank you :-) And he is so right - this is not the place for personal attacks...Lotro is a living organism in a way, it morphs and changes. It will likely change before this is released. No one is doing changes to try and hurt gameplay...lets all try to give constructive feedback (as many are already doing) and hold off on insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frelorn
Lothhil
It's like you didn't even read the patch notes. The system is still WIP, not all Legacies that need to be converted have been converted, all Legacies that are Cool Down Reduction, or Duration Increase, which would lead to 100% up time, are going to be replaced. They already know why its bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by infinitewhimsy
Your point is fair enough, but I'd ask in return that there is a high level of engagement from the responsible developers on the beta forums. Feedback will function best if there is a discussion between devs and players (we all know to ignore those who go off on unhelpful rants), rather than large amounts of feedback which seem to have no effect, without justification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frelorn
In my opinion U16 will take grinding to a whole new level which is of course very sad, just meaningless grinding with no challenging raids to do yet again.
As far is PVMP is concerned all I see in the near future is a grams camp because of overwhelming freep numbers, lets face it everyone wants to play the "challenging" side ;)
Well that's a relief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reximus
But my other points stand, things need to be scaled down or Creeps need to be buffed to compensate. Freeps will be hitting and healing for way too much now.
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Originally Posted by Johnny.Braga
It's OK. Captains have waited for ranged stuff for almost 8 years :)
Unless a creep is using fire or shadow damage, why would they be, then this change means nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arathaert
I don't really see how warden is being buffed at all with these changes. All i see is a choice, higher dps or keep your 40m slow.
Yeah... some of the "OMG OH NOES" without knowing what the skills in question even do are pretty funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nimrinoth
Happy for the jav miss chance on the move going baseline.
Well obviously these particular legacies should have a cap. Or the system is just messed up. Giving so many passive boosts is just a silly thing to do...Quote:
Originally Posted by Reximus
I meant something in the ranged slot, not exactly a weapon. Captain have a banner, Rks have a chisel, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by robbie1435
I'm confused - are the legacy changes listed happening for everyone or just when an LI is embued? The legacy changes listed include changes to max targets, with little compensation. Pre-level 100, I'd rather keep the max target legacies thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frelorn
spoken like a true creep WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! !!Quote:
Originally Posted by BiteMarks
From where I'm sitting, I actually see weapon swap becoming MORE beneficial, not less, over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by spelunker
These new legacies are going to expand going forward, making the difference between a supported skill and unsupported skill grow over time. Being able to swap in a DPS support legacy before skill play is going to grow in power along with that gap.
Well, in theory it's a buff by making certain legacies passives and thus allowing you other legacies, discounting the fact that most are useless. But having logged in on BR now I see that when they say you get +15M range in Assailment, they mean actual yellow specialization. That's a nerf. Which I guess is good...although it just makes the weaknesses of the Warden more severe (being kited) rather than addressing what makes them OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nimrinoth
Also, it seems Hampering Javeling Duration is converted upon Imbueing into Hampering Javelin Reset Chance. It's not in the notes...I assume that's a bug?
There are so few desirable legacies and Imbueing is so expensive, I don't see that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sezneg
I'm a bit concerned about the guardian +AoE targets legacy being removed, and all the skills being set to 5 targets. That's an extremely valuable legacy and one that I would recommend to any guardian. Currently, with the legacy maxed, Sweeping Cut and Vexing Blow hit 8 targets, and Whirling Retaliation hits 10, so that's quite a significant reduction. (I forget how many Shield Smash hits but it's somewhere in that range also.) That legacy already has a lower cap than others (tier 5 instead of tier 9) so I'm wondering if it really has to be converted to another legacy, or if it could simply have a lower cap. If that's really necessary, at least consider increasing AoE skills to 7-8 targets across the board. Tanking is now damage-based (which I would love to see changed, because the old way was much more fun, but that's how it is), and we're missing Litany of Defiance as an AoE aggo-increasing skill. So AoE damaging skills are more important for tanking than they used to be. Even for soloing - I pull as many mobs as I can handle, which is definitely more than 5, so I make use of that legacy there as well.
Also - about the new reactive parry damage legacy - I can't speak for other guardians, but that is one that I would absolutely never use. The problems with reactive parry are that 1) it's passive - it's not very interesting and it's unpredictable, and 2) it is problematic for instances that require you not to kill things, like GA fortress, Library, etc. I don't think it even does that much damage, so it's probably not worth improving with a legacy even if you like it, but I will have to check later when I'm in game. Again, I can't speak for other guardians, but I think some other legacy - any other legacy - would be a better replacement.
I'm sure I'll be back with more feedback after I've had a chance to test everything. :)
I expect to get flamed but I'm giving my honest opinion. I think this new weapon system sucks. I wish the devs would stop listening to this little group on the forums and all their multiboxing alt accounts to have greater influence as if they speak for us all .. personally I don't want it... most players I know on Snowbourn hate it. This sounds really awful. More grind more grind more grind. I like the weapons weh ave now. Kiss crafting goodbye... I guess we already did that with moria but now it is worse. Just take crafting from game, nothing to craft anymore, no armor, jewelry, etc. As it is no one even uses normal weapons except those classes who have 2 handed abilities. I love the game where it is content-wise, appreciate the art, work, dedication but sometimes like this.. like this insane update I Wonder if Turbine devs have their thinking caps on... NO offence. I don't want to start a YET a new weapon system over again! I've FINALLY gotten used to the trait tree and other things.. NOW THIS? Please NO! Many players are TIRED of constant changes. I know I am. I don't want a weapon that grows with me. I don't mind crafting new weapons, etc but this new system sounds boring, not fun and not something I want at all.
Dear developers if you want REAL feedback don't read these forums (except intelligent posts like mine lol) YES actually do read feedback but read and take it in stride, with a grain of salt and a twist of fresh lemon on the side. Use feedback cautiously, delicately, sparingly INTELLIGENTLY! Devs, YOU are the developers for a reason. Develop, create, TRUST your gut instinct.. be an artist and THINK what you would want if you were the player. OPTION III .... Send out mass email and also do an independent questionaire... but still it all goes back to YOU being in the dev driver seat because sometimes I get the feeling we have never left beta and this game feels like a car without a driver zig zagging all over the place soon to crash and burn leaving NO survivors. After awhile, constant major changing crapola gets very old and tiring. Seriously this will be a very bad thing to do the game. I think it may help to finish killing it.
If you had taken the time to read the patch notes you would have noticed that Imbuing is optional. So you can have your old system still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norwrei
im actually cautiously optomistic with these LI changes. however, i said that when the trait trees first came out too.....