What is new in the store, armors?????

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Originally Posted by Ronigard

Let's turn this around a bit. The game is now nearing it's five year anniversary. Many, many, many people have reached max level during these years. So this means the gear currently in the game is good enough to get through the levels.

So why these ridiculously priced pieces in store?

My own guess is to gather data for the push to sell gear at all levels in future.

I can't believe this. I've actually joined the cynical tinfoil hatters.

Bad form, turbine. You are alianating your fans fast this way.

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Welcome, brother.

(Tin foil hat optional.)

Unfortunately, general discussions about the direction of the game have been deemed unsuitable for the 'General Discussion' forum. The main thread on this was moved to the store feedback forum, and this one will likely end up being moved as well, or locked.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...e-store-armors

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Originally Posted by tenineteen

Speaking as a long-time EVE player, I'm all too familiar with staring into the giant gaping pit of the hell that is people being able to pay real money for in-game items. CCP (EVE's developer) learned their lesson and backed away from it after enough vehement community feedback. Turbine/WB have an important choice to make here, it's becoming clear (not just from these forums but from internet reaction in general) that there is going to be very little support, and most likely a lot of vitriol over this decision.

You must choose... but please choose wisely. LotR:O is one of the few MMOs left that I always come back to check in on (and spend money on).

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We don't quite have a means of protest available to us with nearly the impact that EVE players do - if the story I've heard is true, mass numbers of you gathered together to bombard and blow up the main space station in the game (something the devs can't just "respawn")?

Now, if we had the ability to overwhelm the Watchers of Bree and torch the town, then maybe our objections would actually matter to those in power.

There is a striking lack of players providing feedback in this thread about the scarcity of low-level gear on their servers' auction houses and their desire for an additional purchasing option.

I have nothing good to say about this potential development, and I hope Turbine will reconsider its implementation.

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Originally Posted by StavroMuellerBeta

Unfortunately, general discussions about the direction of the game have been deemed unsuitable for the 'General Discussion' forum. The main thread on this was moved to the store feedback forum, and this one will likely end up being moved as well, or locked.

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A discussion about items in the LOTRO Store is more on topic in the LOTRO Store forum. You act as if the topic was deleted, or locked, or shoved in a place no one can go. "General Discussion" is much busier, yes, but that means any topic in here gets dropped to page 2 - never to be seen again - all the quicker.

Edit: hah, that topic combining was quick; was done while I wrote this.

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Originally Posted by Fredelas

There is a striking lack of players providing feedback in this thread about the scarcity of low-level gear on their servers' auction houses and their desire for an additional purchasing option.

I have nothing good to say about this potential development, and I hope Turbine will reconsider its implementation.

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I think those players have been posting in a secret feedback forum along with all the people that asked for a tool to place them in ill-formed groups to run random skirmishes and instances not of their choosing.

wow, i'm almost pissed at reading that.

Why would any even slightly intelligent person buy that.....
quest reward armor is good enough till you can skirm at 20.
GB armor is decent enough at 25.
craft some lvl 35 stuff.
Fem @ 42 (or forochel if you care to grind the rep for ally to wear/kindred to craft)
craft 51 crit
Moria @ 58-60
Mirk @ 65 (or get the galtrev stuff from quests)
75 raid gear that you can skirm for almost as easily (draigoch, not ox-clan trade)

I have personally harvested enough stuff for my newb toons to get crafted (generally crit) armor when ever i want.

This is crossing the line.

Congratulations everyone, we are officially entering PAY-TO-WIN.

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Originally Posted by Fredelas

There is a striking lack of players providing feedback in this thread about the scarcity of low-level gear on their servers' auction houses and their desire for an additional purchasing option.

I have nothing good to say about this potential development, and I hope Turbine will reconsider its implementation.

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Honestly, I dont think most of us pay attention to it, I know I am willing to craft low level gear when requested. Recently I've been on a low level character not-publically affiliated with my persona. It's been nice to lend a helping hand here and there. The barter community for our low-level players seems thriving. No its not on the AH, it's in /trade in Bree.

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Originally Posted by Nakiami

"General Discussion" is much busier, yes, but that means any topic in here gets dropped to page 2 - never to be seen again - all the quicker.

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Busier, but more people viewing it means a wider variety of opinions will be given. And as I said, discussions about the direction of the game shouldn't be shoved off to a rarely visited forum where the only active threads are those that were moved from more popular forums.

In any case, the thread was already moved and merged, so there's really no point in discussing why it should remain on the original forum.

Not only was the topic combined ultra quick - they blew up my reply in the process.

In short: Deceitful.

At best: Another hole in the sinking tub.

At worst: Do they (the metaphysical and almighty they) REALLY think no one will notice or care?

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Originally Posted by Crell_1

If you wanted to make a similar gear set available to all players, you know how to hook up things to a barter vendor.

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THIS ^

You didnt need charge people TP for better statted gears, you could have made a longer quest that awards it.

So then thats NOT totally in the interest of people complaining that low level gears are not available in the AH when they have to pay real money for TP or real money for subscriptions that pay the TP that buy the better statted gears, see the pattern?

I watched one of my favourite games that I played for 6 years do what your doing and its now such a mess that I dont know a single person who used to play, my view is that somehow things here are getting so 'excitable' because of the hobbit movie coming out that will give an influx of players once again.

Expect the worst, anythings possible!

My opinion:
This kind of follows suit with bad decisions made since Lothlorien/Mirkwood. I dont really care if Frodo makes it to Mt Doom anymore-as a matter of fact its probably better he doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Kantaryo

The GM said the armors are for low level.

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If I am to assume that anyone can wear these armors, then these would be an improvement over lvl 25 GB armor at the highest tier. Are there any level restrictions on these or can we buy armor (well just 3 pieces) that's good enough until lvl 30?

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Originally Posted by tenineteen

Speaking as a long-time EVE player, I'm all too familiar with staring into the giant gaping pit of the hell that is people being able to pay real money for in-game items. CCP (EVE's developer) learned their lesson and backed away from it after enough vehement community feedback. Turbine/WB have an important choice to make here, it's becoming clear (not just from these forums but from internet reaction in general) that there is going to be very little support, and most likely a lot of vitriol over this decision.

You must choose... but please choose wisely. LotR:O is one of the few MMOs left that I always come back to check in on (and spend money on).

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Players can most certainly protest this very easily by creating loads of gear to compete with these store abominations. But I fear most will not take the time to do this. In my experience, the lotro community is rather lethargic when it comes to protests of any kind. A few of us will make a bit of noise on the forum but in the game world no one will even blink.

A simple question. . .

If there is nothing wrong with Turbine selling stat-bearing equipment in the store. . . If this is in keeping with the principles they themselves laid out regarding what would and would not be sold in the store. . . If this does not violate the "first principle" that character-enhancing gear should be obtained through gameplay. . .

Why haven't these items been in the store from the beginning?

*drip*. . . *drip*. . . *drip*. . . They know we won't notice the water level rising a drop at a time. And those who do notice won't really be able to do much about it.

Ugh....really?

All I can do in protest is not buy any TP.
I won't be buying any more for at least a couple months.
Please, this is too far.

Man.....I'm bummed now. We need a new head dev. This is utter garbage. I'm looking at many hundreds of dollars and many months of actual play time that might be just a memory now.

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Originally Posted by Lestache

We don't quite have a means of protest available to us with nearly the impact that EVE players do - if the story I've heard is true, mass numbers of you gathered together to bombard and blow up the main space station in the game (something the devs can't just "respawn")?

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I FINALLY have cause to use a word I see used on the internet so freely and without merit...

THAT Sir ^

is

EPIC!

This just gets more and more depressing all the time. Count me among the tinfoil hatters here. Given that they are putting into the store items that are typically rewards for questing and grouping (and learning your class in the process), there is now nothing stopping the game from eventually getting to a point where we'll have endgame players who got to 75 in a few weeks using store-bought accelerators, are fully geared and equipped with store-bought armor/weapons/jewelry/relics, and expect us to run endgame content with them even though they have no idea how to play.

I'm really missing the magic and wonder I felt when I first started playing this game. It used to be about the story and the community. Now it's all about the cash, and I don't see that ever changing.

Turbine tried to use a weak pay to win attack on Players Wallet but he evaded the attempt.

Players Wallet scored a critical hit with a cancel subscription attack on Turbine for $15 a month damage to Morale.



Too bad Turbine no
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g5...Socio/visa.jpg
Phat loot this time. Better luck on your next venture.

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Originally Posted by Ayrolen

The irony of this is that crafters are going to be the most angry about this change, when they are the ones that could have prevented it in the first place by keeping the AH stocked with more lower level gear. I've mentioned in many threads over the past couple of years how fast low to mid-level crafted crits sell on the AH when crafters gripe about how they can't make any money. But I guess it fell on deaf ears.

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On my server I have never been able to sell a piece of critted T-2 to T-4 for more than I can get for the raw materials. Never After a while it's "why bother?"

Not that I'm saying this change is good - quite the opposite - now there will be even less reason for me to bother crafting anything.

I'm fairly new to the game, went VIP within a week of signing up, have purchased the MoM and RoI expansions and have been kind of semi-amused at all the "panick" from long term players over the F2P changes - until now. If this plays out the way we all pretty well know it is going to then I think I am really close to being done with LoTRO even though I've barely scratched the surface of the content I've already purchased.

I was planning on spending a fair amount of quality time in Middle Earth this weekend, but suddenly I don't even want to log into the game. I don't think I'll waste any more time on it for now, because if they stick with this decision I'm probably not even going to stick around long enough to get through Moria. I do not enjoy raiding or skirmishing - if they destroy crafting then I will not even be able to raise gold for equipment by selling raw materials on the AH - and the game is pretty much over for me.

Maybe there is a new expansion available for Fallout New Vegas - time to log into Steam and see how my weekend will be spent.

Look at how rapid the replies are coming from the times stated next to them.

I remember reading some patch update notes that said something similar to this:

"XXXXX was removed due to overwhelming feedback"

Well?

How overwhelming do you want it?

Sorry, but selling armour in the Store is NOT good. I don't like the very idea. I also don't like the idea of making Store-exclusive tier 7 stat tomes and making them available only for a limited time.

I don't know... is there some kind of gap in Turbine's 2011 bilance so they need to earn some money fast?

Sorry, but this is really not okay. I'd hate to have to move to another game, but it looks like Turbine is trying to make me go.

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Originally Posted by OldePhart

I'm fairly new to the game, went VIP within a week of signing up, have purchased the MoM and RoI expansions and have been kind of semi-amused at all the "panick" from long term players over the F2P changes - until now.

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The long term players were "panicked" because we saw the direction Turbine was going. We saw Turbine take one step after another, yet people were always insisting the most recent step would be the last.

This isn't some huge leap, it's just the next logical step toward the inevitable. It's big in the sense that more people are recognizing it, and it's big in the sense that it came so soon after the last few steps (store-exclusive stat tomes and lootboxes), but it's really no surprise to those of us who knew what to look for.

Unfortunately, after years of positive feedback from people who virtually worshiped Turbine's every move, no amount of complaints will stop the trend.

They are kind of pushing it, I admit...

I get that they want to make money - all fair. But if they're going to sell things, couldn't it at least be part of the game? I'd be ok with armor if they sold an 'extra-extra special pack' that allows you to do a new area/quest line to get that armor. Phased, instanced, whatever. Same with the horses. Let me buy *that,* even as a VIP/lifetime subscriber, and I wouldn't be so disillusioned. If it added to the content, I'd be fine with paying. This... just feels wrong.

Two threads in one: Today I realized that my trust in Turbine/WB was falsely placed, /facepalm...

As someone mentioned, I had a feeling but this is so blatant. I agree with this thread and think the weekend will be used in some other way. Not as a threat or anything, just feeling a little, you know, blah.