Where do we go from here?

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Originally Posted by hanswurst13

Questions to Orion:
1) do you have actual data on how op freeps currently are ?!
or do you just make things up ? if no pls post your findings, how much heal has each freep class in Hps
how much dps, ttk to kill it ect. you have the data ;)

2) do you ever test the pvmp changes you make ?!

3) why can 3 creeps not kill a champion, mini, Beorning, Brawler, Bulgar, Champion, Guardian, Rune Keeper, Warden, Lore-Master?! only freep that currently dies to 3 creeps are Hunters.
Whats the resoning behind this ? are you porud of this ?

4) why is the Time to kill a creep so much lower for freeps?
why are there so many unbalanced classes in the etten for freeps ?

What is the point of all of this ?
why do you unbalance a pvp game? are you narcissist Orion? do you even play this game ?!
typical answer here is a quick "yes" ;), stream your monster play, play a shadow warg maybe and then play a burgler and compare the 2 ?
do you even know how to use skills without clicking them ?! we dont know sice you do not stream your expirence that makes you unbalance the creeps so bad.

and ofc we have mods that get offended by questions and delete posts, so nothing will change all fine
god beware the lotro pve crowd of microagressions, they are sooo fragile, like the mods.
guys dont clap it´s too loud use your hands to wink :D

i know the answer to all of this it is a narcissist no :)

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Skill issue

Well Talk is cheap.

Whatever anyone says, you cannot argue because they will say they are the opposite. Complain at someones clear comment to make freeps look weak and they will say they play mostly Creep and vice versa.

I have absolutely zero trust in anyone on these forums because they all are looking out for number one.

This is also the case for the devs. They don't want what we want. They want the least effort path to gain the most revenue. At least we know where we stand with the developers but everyone else is to be judged poorly.

I'm guessing the last unbiased opinion I read on these boards is anything to do with clubbing. If you make an argument you are a cheat and if you argue against then you make a good point.

Everything else is one sided horse droppings.

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As we draw nearer to releasing these updates we will share what they mean for the Ettenmoors and players out there.

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With the reversion in EC and OC, is the hope that the old shuffle route from GV to gramsfoot via TR, EC, STAB, TA, WTAB, OC, Lugz will return?

For years everyone (including me) was complaining about this shuffle, but I think the complaint was more that this was the only kind of play being naturally incentivized. OPs etc didn't seem to work that well at incentivizing people away. I notice that the bridge flags have been taken down, which I guess means that TA's keep owners will be the owner of the bridges? It's not clear to me whether lugz rez is now back to where it used to be, where EC has just been moved from. I hope it is!

Since the first camp movement, new rez location at lugz etc, my view changed to think about this classic shuffle more positively. The moors seemed to become worse after that shuffle was interupted with the map changes, although we saw more action towards Isen. It's a tough issue to try and resolve.

Also, that Arena in the western side of the map between DG and HH - could it be possible to enact some mechanics there, or perhaps some sort of NPC challenge available to both sides? I had a thought it'd be cool to see a yellow morale bar Sarah Oakheart or something just standing there, that can be attacked/interacted with by both creeps and freeps, which then starts an encounter that people inside the arena must survive.

There's also a lot of dead space up the hill where the trolls roam, just to the southwest of DG.

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With the reversion in EC and OC, is the hope that the old shuffle route from GV to gramsfoot via TR, EC, STAB, TA, WTAB, OC, Lugz will return?

For years everyone (including me) was complaining about this shuffle, but I think the complaint was more that this was the only kind of play being naturally incentivized. OPs etc didn't seem to work that well at incentivizing people away. I notice that the bridge flags have been taken down, which I guess means that TA's keep owners will be the owner of the bridges? It's not clear to me whether lugz rez is now back to where it used to be, where EC has just been moved from. I hope it is!

Since the first camp movement, new rez location at lugz etc, my view changed to think about this classic shuffle more positively. The moors seemed to become worse after that shuffle was interupted with the map changes, although we saw more action towards Isen. It's a tough issue to try and resolve.

Also, that Arena in the western side of the map between DG and HH - could it be possible to enact some mechanics there, or perhaps some sort of NPC challenge available to both sides? I had a thought it'd be cool to see a yellow morale bar Sarah Oakheart or something just standing there, that can be attacked/interacted with by both creeps and freeps, which then starts an encounter that people inside the arena must survive.

There's also a lot of dead space up the hill where the trolls roam, just to the southwest of DG.

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I'd rather see the map cut down in size than have more PVE.

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I'd rather see the map cut down in size than have more PVE.

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I don't see how that makes any sense. It's just a novelty idea anyway. It's good space on a decent map; would be nice to have a meaningful use for it.

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I don't see how that makes any sense. It's just a novelty idea anyway. It's good space on a decent map; would be nice to have a meaningful use for it.

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Now that creeps walk everywhere, a smaller map would lead to more random encounters. More random encounters would mean more actual PVP and less PVE.

the only reason in my mind that they are adding more pve for creeps/freeps is that the pvmp is lacking.

the only reason i play pvmp is to escape the pve grind.

despite their best efforts, its still mostly a shuffle. changing game mechanics is easy, changing players attitudes after years of ingrained behavior? not so easy.

This has probably been mentioned dozens if not 100s of times. Why is there a boot now above my head when I am in March? It's the most ridiculous thing ever, next to the bar above our heads telling others what we are about to use as a skill. How dumbed down is this game going to get?! First we tell the freeps or, vice versa, what skills we are using, kinda like Japan saying, "Hey, we're about to bomb Pearl Harbor, you have 24 hours to get ready." Or, the Allies telling the Axis powers about D Day in advance. WHO DOES THIS? And if you can't remember, by now, that you're in march...if there has to be a marker, make it so only the player using it can see it, put it in options.

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This has probably been mentioned dozens if not 100s of times. Why is there a boot now above my head when I am in March? It's the most ridiculous thing ever, next to the bar above our heads telling others what we are about to use as a skill. How dumbed down is this game going to get?! First we tell the freeps or, vice versa, what skills we are using, kinda like Japan saying, "Hey, we're about to bomb Pearl Harbor, you have 24 hours to get ready." Or, the Allies telling the Axis powers about D Day in advance. WHO DOES THIS? And if you can't remember, by now, that you're in march...if there has to be a marker, make it so only the player using it can see it, put it in options.

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A lot of people were asking for some sort of indication that March was on. I guess that's what they came up with. I agree there was probably a less annoying and distracting way of doing it but there's no missing it. :D I imagine freeps can see the March icon as well?

For the rest of the update, need more time but my weaver seems much more relevant than it has in a while. The attack speed is much better, Thank you!

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A lot of people were asking for some sort of indication that March was on. I guess that's what they came up with. I agree there was probably a less annoying and distracting way of doing it but there's no missing it. :D I imagine freeps can see the March icon as well?

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Yes, the freeps can see it. Don't care about that, they know we're in run speed if we're out running around The Moors, who wants to move around slow lol. It's just the dumbing down of the game is getting old. And the promises to Creeps unkept. Now, there's a rumor that Orion says they're going to nerf Creep DPS. I was hitting mobs really hard, but freeps, with only 15 aud max atm, I couldn't hit that hard at all, like 600k, on mobs, 66k on freeps. Not one freep should come out and win right now with 15 aud, but they are. A lot are losing too, yes. But again, as for the icon, we know we're in march, not one creep I know likes it and thinks it's a joke. SSG hears what they wanna hear, whatever.

Suggestions? Yes, hire devs who acually play on live servers where they are making updates. I mean really, it's like devs making changes to flight instructions where their only experience with such things were in other flight instruction manuals. Want to try to fly and land a plane using a manual or test script?!?! Good luck with that.

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Yes, the freeps can see it. Don't care about that, they know we're in run speed if we're out running around The Moors, who wants to move around slow lol. It's just the dumbing down of the game is getting old. And the promises to Creeps unkept. Now, there's a rumor that Orion says they're going to nerf Creep DPS. I was hitting mobs really hard, but freeps, with only 15 aud max atm, I couldn't hit that hard at all, like 600k, on mobs, 66k on freeps. Not one freep should come out and win right now with 15 aud, but they are. A lot are losing too, yes. But again, as for the icon, we know we're in march, not one creep I know likes it and thinks it's a joke. SSG hears what they wanna hear, whatever.

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I suspect this was a case of be careful what you wish for. People wanted something and were rather vocal in expressing their opinions and the devs gave them what they wished for. If someone told me the devs laughed the entire time when they came up with this idea I would not be surprised. It is so creative and a funny response. Personally, I would have preferred a horse icon over creeps' heads. Maybe a hobby horse since the march skill is supposed to be equivalent to freep mounts? It would look like all the creeps were running around the Moors on cute little ponies. :)

Well done SSG. At least we have some humor in the Moors for a change of pace.

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Yes, the freeps can see it. Don't care about that, they know we're in run speed if we're out running around The Moors, who wants to move around slow lol. It's just the dumbing down of the game is getting old. And the promises to Creeps unkept. Now, there's a rumor that Orion says they're going to nerf Creep DPS. I was hitting mobs really hard, but freeps, with only 15 aud max atm, I couldn't hit that hard at all, like 600k, on mobs, 66k on freeps. Not one freep should come out and win right now with 15 aud, but they are. A lot are losing too, yes. But again, as for the icon, we know we're in march, not one creep I know likes it and thinks it's a joke. SSG hears what they wanna hear, whatever.

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Any audacity between 1-15 makes freeps deal less damage and take more damage. Moors cloaks give +1 aud now, that gets you to 16 and flips the switch to the opposite, suddenly you deal way more and take way less. So you're basically forced to wear full Moors gear.

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Yes, the freeps can see it. Don't care about that, they know we're in run speed if we're out running around The Moors, who wants to move around slow lol. It's just the dumbing down of the game is getting old. And the promises to Creeps unkept. Now, there's a rumor that Orion says they're going to nerf Creep DPS. I was hitting mobs really hard, but freeps, with only 15 aud max atm, I couldn't hit that hard at all, like 600k, on mobs, 66k on freeps. Not one freep should come out and win right now with 15 aud, but they are. A lot are losing too, yes. But again, as for the icon, we know we're in march, not one creep I know likes it and thinks it's a joke. SSG hears what they wanna hear, whatever.

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I’m reserving judgment until I’ve had more time to play and get fully geared (still in mostly purples but full audacity and decent amount of mits for what I have) but a defi hit me for 400k yesterday.

I also had smouldering wrath hitting 200k ticks on a warg who I’m guessing had little to no aud.

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Yes, the freeps can see it. Don't care about that, they know we're in run speed if we're out running around The Moors, who wants to move around slow lol. It's just the dumbing down of the game is getting old. And the promises to Creeps unkept. Now, there's a rumor that Orion says they're going to nerf Creep DPS. I was hitting mobs really hard, but freeps, with only 15 aud max atm, I couldn't hit that hard at all, like 600k, on mobs, 66k on freeps. Not one freep should come out and win right now with 15 aud, but they are. A lot are losing too, yes. But again, as for the icon, we know we're in march, not one creep I know likes it and thinks it's a joke. SSG hears what they wanna hear, whatever.

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There's a rumor that we're going to be nerfing Creep damage? Where did you hear that? There is a known issue, currently, that affects damage in the Ettenmoors and that will be fixed.

As for the visual effect that appears over your head while in march. That is a direct response to feedback here, where some players wanted to have a more visible way to see that they were in the march state, as it does block out access to skills.

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There's a rumor that we're going to be nerfing Creep damage? Where did you hear that? There is a known issue, currently, that affects damage in the Ettenmoors and that will be fixed.

As for the visual effect that appears over your head while in march. That is a direct response to feedback here, where some players wanted to have a more visible way to see that they were in the march state, as it does block out access to skills.

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It is probably not what was intended (or maybe it was) but a big old boot following creeps around in the Moors brought a smile to my face. As I stated earlier this is about getting what we wish for lol. Thank you for the smile.

P.S. Maybe allow people to customize the symbol over their heads, sort of like people choosing their horse? It could be a whole new collection system in game. Creep side cosmetics.

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There's a rumor that we're going to be nerfing Creep damage? Where did you hear that? There is a known issue, currently, that affects damage in the Ettenmoors and that will be fixed.

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Some dude been in OOC for days spamming that and then linking to a discord-hosted image. Use your imagination to figure out what it links to.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...532&height=405
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...527&height=266

since people are increasingly leaving / avoiding the discord you frequently post in, its become increasingly easily for these rumors to take hold.

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As for the visual effect that appears over your head while in march. That is a direct response to feedback here, where some players wanted to have a more visible way to see that they were in the march state, as it does block out access to skills.

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The main problem with the march boot is that it is.... I kid you not.... the absolute ugliest thing any mortal mind could have conceived.... its got to be the ugliest most cartoony boot icon ever drawn and everyone hates it soooooo much. It now takes the #1 spot for ugliest icon in the game, beating out the new warg sprint icon which looks like a flying piece of poo.

I'm sure this kind of style is all the rage amongst 12 year olds in fortnite bloons tower defense 3, but it doesn't fit into LOTRO, which (at least at one point) was supposed to be a bit more dignified and visually calm.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...4729/image.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...1501/image.png

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Some dude been in OOC for days spamming that and then linking to a discord-hosted image.

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It's a very silly rumor.

We need to address the known issue. Nothing more.

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since people are increasingly leaving / avoiding the discord you frequently post in, its become increasingly easily for these rumors to take hold.

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It's a very silly rumor.

We need to address the known issue. Nothing more.

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This is one of the reasons whereby multiple repositories should not be used to disseminate information and or seek feedback. Pick one (forum is my personal choice) and stop posting in the others. It really makes conversations disjointed and nonsensical unless you follow all the sites that the information is being dropped from.

Also, it is far easier to be wrongly quoted out of context once you're quoting from different sources.

I can understand the CM dropping statements into different sites but not conversations.


Why hasn't the executive producer jumped all over this by now? It has been an issue for some years now prior to "Orion's return". (ooh a new mini expansion name ?? :D )

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This is one of the reasons whereby multiple repositories should not be used to disseminate information and or seek feedback. Pick one (forum is my personal choice) and stop posting in the others. It really makes conversations disjointed and nonsensical unless you follow all the sites that the information is being dropped from.

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Forums, communications from SSG, and sometimes streams - are the only official source of information.

Forums are not, should not, and have not ever been, the sole location for getting feedback. Forum posters do not represent the community as a whole. Multiple sources are used to gauge feedback and always have been.

Over the years I have often objected when important information was released on "social media" and not on these forums. I argued, and still do, that people should be able to come here and find out what is going on without needing to also go to facebook or discord or any other "platform du jour".

But I have never said and still do not think that communications there as well as here is bad. It is important to reach out to customers and potential customers most of whom (nearly all of whom in the case of potential customers) are not forum junkies as some of us are.

It is entirely sufficient if any important information released on other platforms is repeated here so that the forums remain a place where we all can go to know what is going on. The speed with which information should go here depends on the importance. And, certainly, things the developers and others may happen to mention e.g. on Discord need not be repeated here unless they are important to the general community - I am not thinking of things that a handful of people will consider critical.

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Forums, communications from SSG, and sometimes streams - are the only official source of information. Forums are not, should not, and have not ever been, the sole location for getting feedback. Forum posters do not represent the community as a whole. Multiple sources are used to gauge feedback and always have been.

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Thanks for responding.

The problem is though, when there is discussion on non-official platforms (eg. Discord) then you have 'official communications' that aren't being relayed to the official platforms. A prime example would be OMM's engagement on Discord during the Captain revamp. The Captain changes thread here died and yet we discovered that OMM was still active over on Discord. That's not the proper way to treat your customers and it's counter-productive to your purported desire to enhance communications with the players.

As I and many others have said we don't mind SSG employees engaging with players on non-official platforms, the problem is when those communications don't also then get relayed to an official platform.

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Thanks for responding.

The problem is though, when there is discussion on non-official platforms (eg. Discord) then you have 'official communications' that aren't being relayed to the official platforms. A prime example would be OMM's engagement on Discord during the Captain revamp. The Captain changes thread here died and yet we discovered that OMM was still active over on Discord. That's not the proper way to treat your customers and it's counter-productive to your purported desire to enhance communcations with the players.

As I and many others have said we don't mind SSG employees engaging with players on non-official platforms, the problem is when those communications don't also then get relayed to an official platform.

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This is not the thread for this discussion. I prefer not close this thread, but I will have to if we devolve.

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This is not the thread for this discussion. I prefer not close this thread, but I will have to if we devolve.

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And what thread would be for that discussion ? You should "thread" carefully here.

Make use any skill auto cancel march,it is Inconvenient that you have to click march to cancel it before fight.
Make use any skill auto cancel march,it is Inconvenient that you have to click march to cancel it before fight
Make use any skill auto cancel march,it is Inconvenient that you have to click march to cancel it before fight

Okay so, this is going to be a long feedback. I don’t know where to post this so I saw this thread and the title made sense.

So, I am a returning player after 1 or 2 years, I don’t even remember. When my friend said “Hey there is a 140 Valar up in the store, let’s do that and do some PVMP and maybe PVE.” I said “Why not?”
I immediately regretted it and remembered why I stopped playing long ago.

Are you developing new content? Are you trying to balance classes or other things? Are you trying to bring new items to the store? Are you trying to add new customizations to the characters? Any answer to these questions is redundant until all the servers get rid of the lag.

I’ve been playing this game for 11 years; my friend has been playing since the very beginning and what both of us experienced in our long period of playing this game is LAG. A game shouldn’t be hanged in the minds of its players with “lag”. Of course, I had many amazing memories but...

Right now, the Ettenmoors in Evernight server is literally unplayable. Most of the action is usually based on chance because of the lag, it is not even like PVP it is a gamble! You press a button and pray that the skill worked. Sometimes there are these huge lag spikes where ALL of the players stuck for at least 3-4 mins and sometimes raid vs. raids or the spots with the crowded areas are like those stop-motion videos. I thought this was only an issue with Ettenmoors but no. When I logged in to my alt I was doing quests in Evendim and in every 5-10 mins I receive these long lag spikes with “Reduced Awareness” showing up.

I am not going to name-drop here but even the low-budget, low-tier MMORPGS or the private servers of these MMORPGS are lagless whereas a game with a 16 years of history struggles with huge lag issues every day. So, my humble suggestion here is that the devs should drop everything that they do about the game and just focus on solving this issue. I mean, we are living in 2023 with terabytes of databases up online and gigabytes of fiber infrastructure world-wide.

I, as a long-time player of this game, just expect a smooth gameplay. No new areas, no new quests, no new instances but immediate solution to this problem. Only then any of the updates and developments that you bring to this game will make sense.

Of course, I don’t want to just grouch about lag and just leave. I also want to share some of my ideas about PVMP in particular, BUT please; solve the lag first and only then these can make sense. Please note that since it has only been a week or two of playing this game after a long break, some of these maybe incorrect or may sound unreasonable and also I have limited feedback on class balances since I was only able to play few classes in both sides.

• First of all, I want to start with one of the most striking things that I’ve seen in the PVMP: Defiler. Never have I seen a class this broken in the history of this game. Even the Rohan-era Champion cannot compete with this. I am not going to write this in detail, I am sure everyone is aware of this fact. Around 300-500k heal per tick? Only one or two HoT that a Defiler puts to any creep of any rank with any audacity outheals any Freep class in a 1v1 situation. This is absurd and this state shouldn’t even lasted more than 72 hours.
• In contrast with the Defiler, the Shadow Warg is extremely fragile. Well, that’s okay for a high-dps class to be fragile but its DPS is in a miserable state. I was solo killing high rank shadow wargs with my rank 5 RK with missing gears and this is the first time I am playing RK in PVMP. This shouldn’t be possible.
• The lightning rune-stone of RKs are well… broken. An AoE slow as large as Spider’s web combined with two stuns and damage output aaand it is ground targeted when fully traited. None of the creep classes has a skill that is as advantageous as this one.
• Maybe for at least for 10 years, the issue where players get stuck in combat after a lag spike still persists… I mean come on…
• The map change and the implementation of the March skill to the Creep side is amazing. This has been an issue for a very long time because freeps had much more mobility than creeps. This change hugely balanced the mobility of both sides. Great change!
• The first thing I realised when I first played PVMP after a long break was the incredibly high health pool of the mobs and their damage output. I don’t know much about this change but as far as I read the forums, it makes sense with the upcoming Siege! updates. However, imho; this change also kills the solo/small group action in the game. The meta of the game pushes people to form larger groups, however, it also punishes those who form raids by preventing them getting loots from the mobs. Also, it has become nearly impossible for those newbies of both sides to complete quests and get some infamy/renown+comms.
• Removing DoF was a bad idea. It pushes people to the shuffle game-style. When a side gets crushed on the map, they usually moved the action to DoF in hopes to get a huge buff swing. Right-now, only thing that the losing side does is to just sit… I heard that the DoF will be coming back to the map with some changes, I hope it will be quick.
• I have no idea why those NPCs and items of old end-game eras are still in GV. Every time I return to this game after a break I find myself running like a headless chicken between NPCs to find the most current gear NPC. Even the barters from 50 lvl end-game is still there! Is it because of the cosmetics? I mean.. I guess not because the cosmetics of PVP gear of this game has always been miserable.
• Fellowship manoeuvres to the mobs in Moors have become obsolete. Three red+one yellow or full red or full yellow doesn’t even tickle the elite or higher tier mobs.
• Session plays have become obsolete. These should either be removed or renewed.
• Keeper of Gifts, the anniversary barterer in GV gives a Platinum Gift Box for 5 Steel Tokens. I bartered one. Opened it and voila! It gave me 25 Anfalas Celebrant Salves, giving around 635 power when used. My power pool is 93,910.
• Training dummies in GV are not working properly. Their mitigations are higher than it should be. I am hitting around 350k with Epic Conclusion on Light Training Dummy. The last time I hit a Shadow Warg with epic was around 1m. Any of these dummies are not reflective of the real DPS that is done can be done to creeps.
• Everytime I played this game reavers were a problem for the devs to balance. Right now, it is worse. They have high amount of dps, high amount of self-heal and high amount of mitigations. At least one of these should fall short. I mean I am choosing WLs as a target for my RK rather than Reavers, this should be the summary of this.

That is all the things that I can write from top of my head. But as I mentioned earlier. There is one issue to be solved to rule them all: LAG.

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• First of all, I want to start with one of the most striking things that I’ve seen in the PVMP: Defiler. Never have I seen a class this broken in the history of this game. Even the Rohan-era Champion cannot compete with this. I am not going to write this in detail, I am sure everyone is aware of this fact. Around 300-500k heal per tick? Only one or two HoT that a Defiler puts to any creep of any rank with any audacity outheals any Freep class in a 1v1 situation. This is absurd and this state shouldn’t even lasted more than 72 hours.

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a healing class should out heal anything 1v1. are you serious? have you not seen the healing freepside? what healing rk, mini, or bear dies in a 1v1? just stop.

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a healing class should out heal anything 1v1. are you serious? have you not seen the healing freepside? what healing rk, mini, or bear dies in a 1v1? just stop.

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Did you carefully read that sentence? I am not talking about continous healing:

Let's say as a Rune-Keeper I am going full DPS on a Rank 5 Shadow Warg and a Defiler comes and ONLY puts 1 or 2 HoT over that guy and NOTHING MORE, that's it, you won't be able to kill that guy with only 2 HoTs on him. We are talking about around 300-500k ticks here. No Freep class has this amount of heal.

And now, let a Reaver go crazy on a Rune-Keeper and let another Rune Keeper put two let's say three Mending Verses on the RK that is being ravaged. Do you think he/she will survive? Let me say the answer: nope!

Well, I was expecting this kind of a comment on this so here is something more solid for you, no need for any comment, just watch this: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1790704306

You aren’t going to kill a creep being healed by a defiler as a solo. And you shouldn’t be able to. Just like you can’t with an rk, bear, mini, as a solo creep. It’s not possible and it shouldn’t be. To say that this is happening is misinformation. Or bad game play. Just stop.

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Just like you can’t with an rk, bear, mini, as a solo creep. It’s not possible and it shouldn’t be.

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Wrong. Please stop with the misinformation.


Defiler has been the easiest and most op creep class to play for years. So please just stop.

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Did you carefully read that sentence? I am not talking about continous healing:

........you won't be able to kill that guy with only 2 HoTs on him. We are talking about around 300-500k ticks here. No Freep class has this amount of heal.

just watch this: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1790704306

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any freep healer outheals a defi, espacially in groups, defi has only 3 single target heals
Fungal Spores, Fertile Slime and Fell Restoration.
and one weak grp heal, Efflorescence
and a bubble that can be interupted and drains the defis hp, Blessing of Darkness.
no skill that removes stunns or disarm, no sprint, no grp buffs, less range than any freep healer, no skill reset.

so your comparing the heal output of a specialised singel target healer(defi) in a 1v1 situation and want to nerf it ????

you didnt mention the tickrate for the 400k hp heal, smart.(since you do 1mil dmg with 1skil)

cant watch the vid you posted, im not a subscriber.

maybe watch this and see how freeps outdmg 4 defis ?
in once case only 1 burg kills a wl whos heald by 4 defis.......
https://youtu.be/OJje3NXZkUc

i guess we actually need a buff not a nerf for defis....

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Originally Posted by ithinkiamserious

Wrong. Please stop with the misinformation.


Defiler has been the easiest and most op creep class to play for years. So please just stop.

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you are too funny. If you can’t out heal a solo creep this game isn’t for you. Defiler isn’t easy when 1 burg renders them useless. Learn to play.

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Originally Posted by Kate00

you are too funny. If you can’t out heal a solo creep this game isn’t for you. Defiler isn’t easy when 1 burg renders them useless. Learn to play.

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obviously you are new to the game and don't know defiler very well. on one server i have a r6 defiler and even on that greenie toon three burgs can't kill me. you should learn to play defiler before you talk about classes you havent even pvpd on. lol

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obviously you are new to the game and don't know defiler very well. on one server i have a r6 defiler and even on that greenie toon three burgs can't kill me. you should learn to play defiler before you talk about classes you havent even pvpd on. lol

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3 burgs that don’t know how to play maybe. I doubt you are familiar with addle. It’s a burg skill. Look it up. They are also a cc class. If they can’t keep you locked down they are awful. So before you come at me with imaginary skill. Maybe actually play against real players.

if you need help learning the game. Feel free to dm me. ~rank 6~ lol. You can get that in one day questing.

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Originally Posted by Kate00

I doubt you are familiar with addle. It’s a burg skill. Look it up. They are also a cc class. If they can’t keep you locked down they are awful.

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Obviously you are a new player and haven't used a brand or stun pot. You also don't know that defiler has powerful heals that burgs can't interrupt. I think only a new player who doesn't know the defiler class would be scared of burgs. LOL

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Originally Posted by Kate00

You can get that in one day questing.

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I don't quest. Maybe you should spend less time questing and more time learning your class by pvping. LOL

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Originally Posted by ithinkiamserious

Obviously you are a new player and haven't used a brand or stun pot. You also don't know that defiler has powerful heals that burgs can't interrupt. I think only a new player who doesn't know the defiler class would be scared of burgs. LOL



I don't quest. Maybe you should spend less time questing and more time learning your class by pvping. LOL

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Oh my. I am so sorry I didn’t realize the cd on brand and stun pot had been reduced to 0. I also didn’t know that defilers can heal while the are stunned and their skills aren’t grey barred. ~rolls eyes~

you can try to insult me all you want. You aren’t actually playing the game at rank 6. No solo healing defiler is scared of dying to a single burg and to suggest that is just silly and you are the only one suggesting that here. They do however make life miserable if they actually use their skills. You would know this if you had any actual game play time.

why don’t you actually try playing against a cc class as a healer and get back to us with serious conversation instead of continually trying to derail the thread. I’m not sure what your problem is but I’m done responding to you on the forums until you want to be serious.

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Oh my. I am so sorry I didn’t realize the cd on brand and stun pot had been reduced to 0. I also didn’t know that defilers can heal while the are stunned and their skills aren’t grey barred.

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You think the cd on freep brand and stun pot has been reduced to 0? You think freeps can cc while they are stunned or have skills grey barred? ~rolls eyes~

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You aren’t actually playing the game at rank 6.

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You don't read very well. The point about my r6 defiler is that even as a greenie the class is so strong that I still have no problem with multiple burgs, even burgs that know how to stun and use addle. That isn't the only defiler I have, nor the only creep I have. Try again.

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No solo healing defiler is scared of dying to a single burg and to suggest that is just silly and you are the only one suggesting that here. They do however make life miserable if they actually use their skills.

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You said that one burg renders a defiler useless. That's a big LOL if one burg can prevent you from keeping yourself and others alive. It's much easier for defilers to make life miserable for a burg than the other way around. You would know this if you spent more time pvping and less time questing, but you're new to the game and I understand you're spending all your time trying to get maps. =)

pretty sure if you sparred Kate's defiler she would destroy you.

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pretty sure if you sparred Kate's defiler she would destroy you.

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Why would a herb-tender defiler think it's an accomplishment to not lose to any freep class? Any two freep classes? Or are you saying Kate runs around in curse-shouter? LOL

i said spar, defiler on defiler and i didnt say not lose i said destroy

pretty sure Kate would destroy you.

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i said spar, defiler on defiler and i didnt say not lose i said destroy

pretty sure Kate would destroy you.

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Sorry I killed you in a pvp zone. /shrug

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Obviously you are a new player and haven't used a brand or stun pot. You also don't know that defiler has powerful heals that burgs can't interrupt. I think only a new player who doesn't know the defiler class would be scared of burgs. LOL

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do your pot have no cd ?
does your insignia have no cd ?

the "powerfull heals" have induction, what burg cant stop a 10 sec induction ?

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Why would a herb-tender defiler think it's an accomplishment to not lose to any freep class? Any two freep classes? Or are you saying Kate runs around in curse-shouter? LOL

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a mini and a burg , a mini and a chap, a mini and a hunter
2 burgs , 1 burg and a hunter, 1 burg and one champ

this are just some examples of freep combos that kill any defi , not instant but the defi will run into cd´s, yes it takes time and the freeps have to know what they are doing, but the storys you tell are some druged dreams, one defi outhealing 3 burgs, sounds really sketchy


only op thing here is your barin, defi winning vs 2 freeps, ok tell me more , maybe show a vid where you win vs 2 brurgs since

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It's much easier for defilers to make life miserable for a burg than the other way around. You would know this if you spent more time pvping and less time questing, but you're new to the game and I understand you're spending all your time trying to get maps. =)

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one defi to rule them all , you got a traumata iThinkAserius one :D

your hilarious and a lier

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do your pot have no cd ?
does your insignia have no cd ?

the "powerfull heals" have induction, what burg cant stop a 10 sec induction ?

this are just some examples of freep combos that kill any defi , not instant but the defi will run into cd´s, yes it takes time and the freeps have to know what they are doing, but the storys you tell are some druged dreams, one defi outhealing 3 burgs, sounds really sketchy

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I guess you're a new player. If you think defiler healing is hard then experiment healing on a mini or rk and get back to me. LMAO

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I guess you're a new player. If you think defiler healing is hard then experiment healing on a mini or rk and get back to me. LMAO

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you think healing on a mini or rk is "hard" ?!?!

you need serius help if you think any class in lorto is "hard" to play

the only hard thing here is the drugs you take ;)

post your vid killing 2 burgs with your OP DEFI till then try less drugs

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Originally Posted by doodiethethird

you think healing on a mini or rk is "hard" ?!?!

you need serius help if you think any class in lorto is "hard" to play

the only hard thing here is the drugs you take ;)

post your vid killing 2 burgs with your OP DEFI till then try less drugs

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Healing on mini and rk is much more difficult and less powerful than healing on a defiler. Defiler is the easiest of any class in lotro pvp.

Please post your vid of two burgs killing you since defilers are so weak and need buffed...

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Originally Posted by doodiethethird

do your pot have no cd ?
does your insignia have no cd ?

the "powerfull heals" have induction, what burg cant stop a 10 sec induction ?



a mini and a burg , a mini and a chap, a mini and a hunter
2 burgs , 1 burg and a hunter, 1 burg and one champ

this are just some examples of freep combos that kill any defi , not instant but the defi will run into cd´s, yes it takes time and the freeps have to know what they are doing, but the storys you tell are some druged dreams, one defi outhealing 3 burgs, sounds really sketchy


only op thing here is your barin, defi winning vs 2 freeps, ok tell me more , maybe show a vid where you win vs 2 brurgs since


one defi to rule them all , you got a traumata iThinkAserius one :D

your hilarious and a lier

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Skill Issue.

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Originally Posted by ithinkiamserious

Healing on mini and rk is much more difficult and less powerful than healing on a defiler. Defiler is the easiest of any class in lotro pvp.

Please post your vid of two burgs killing you since defilers are so weak and need buffed...

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you need to up your game kid if you find healing on a rk more challenging than healing on a defi

and i posted allready that vid ?!

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Originally Posted by doodiethethird

maybe watch this and see how freeps outdmg 4 defis ?
in once case only 1 burg kills a wl whos heald by 4 defis.......
https://youtu.be/OJje3NXZkUc

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less durgs kid more awareness

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Originally Posted by doodiethethird

you need to up your game kid if you find healing on a rk more challenging than healing on a defi

and i posted allready that vid ?!


less durgs kid more awareness

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I now understand that defiler is a very difficult class to play. My own long experience of playing all the classes in lotro pvp couldn't have taught me as much as your insights. Thanks for your important feedback!