I'm absolutely fine with glowy hands, in fact I'm all for them, as long as they turn them off in the Ettenmoors.
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I'm absolutely fine with glowy hands, in fact I'm all for them, as long as they turn them off in the Ettenmoors.
A simple web search or a search of this site shows that turbine regularly sends out surveys. The survey I was referencing was issued around the beginning of November of 2010. Did I take a screen shot of the notification that was on the login screen to prove they did place a notification there? No, but it was there. I don't nomally screen shot mundane common information, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freehold
FYI: Always read the notifications at log-in. Some are just silly stuff like spring festival start/end dates while others are more important things like the recent bug with relic combining.
Either way, to some, no matter what is pointed out that clearly shows it wasn't a few devs trying to stick it to the community it won't matter. They want to believe that thier opinion (which isn't based in any facts what so ever) is a "50/50" or better representation of the community and trying to disabuse them that belief is pointless and a waste of time. :(
Glowing hands FTW!
/waves bye to the QQers who are rage quitting because of it. :D
edit: nom nom nom
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Originally Posted by doug01
You're my hero! /herosalute (with glowy hands!)
Characterizing our complaints as crying "QQing" or anything similar is simple infantilization. We're not children, don't imply that we are. It's insulting and does nothing for your argument, nor anything against ours.
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Originally Posted by Tiamo
Wait, wait, wait...
You are calling US childish? When you gave your online, fictional, cartoon, pixelated avatar social anxiety?
Words escape me....
social anxiety is nothing to scoff at... an avatar is what you want it to be, down to the little details... and if one is a consistent LOTRO gamer, that person has a right to voice his/her opinion on issues that may arise... I'm all for a CHOICE regarding visual effects, rather than force the gamer to adapt to changes that may not suit the person... everyone is different regarding levels of socialization, even if they are over the internet... so to mock someone for their honest opinion and importance they put in the look of the character, well that is childish in itself...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brinda
Given the completely subjective nature of this issue a toggle makes great sense.
And once again, you ATTACK us*, just because we have a different view point than your own. Why are you turning this in an ad hominem, we have an issue, not with you, but with a part of the game, and now you seem to have an issue with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brinda
*(us being those who are against glowing hands, and want a toggle option)*
I did NOT call you childish. I said that some here are implying that we are childish, by characterizing our comments and complaints as "whining," "crying," "QQing" and what have you. This attempts to make us look foolish and childish (and fails), and is a style of ad hominem personal attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brinda
You then suggest that we are childish or foolish or both by reminding us of the obvious, that our characters are fictional (etc.). Again, this is just an attmept to attack US not our argument.
Personal attacks disguised as argument are the last resort of someone losing said argument.
I do believe you're also resorting to argumentum ad hominem (I can write in fancy words too!) by sanctimoniously pointing out that your opponent is addressing your feelings personally and not your argument. However, since your argument is tied up with your emotions (as you so thoroughly pointed out in previous posts), I'd say that in fact your opponent is merely addressing your argument. Therefore, YOU are the one trying to attack your opponent through what you perceive as their attempt to belittle your character and dismiss your argument through that degradation of your personal beliefs. People are not concluding that you're wrong based on your character, they're just not willing to listen to your point of view based on the extremely argumentative nature of many of your posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiamo
First off, he wouldn't be pointing it out if it did not exsist. Secondly, when these people assault him for disliking glowing hands, they insult and are attacking the rest of us, and quite frankly my argument is not based on emotion, but physical dislike of the animation, furthermore, his argument begins with the same issue, physical dislike, which leads to less fun, which is the whole point of the game. Thirdly his posts are argumentative because he has been met with nothing but belittlement and rage since posting on what is a passionate issue to him, I feel the same way. And you my friend, are attacking him just the same way, saying he is a cry baby, and that's just not right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sssnapdragon
I have yet to read an anti-glowing hands post that directly insults, assaults, or descriminates against someone who likes glowing hands, yet many of those protesting against us, have directly called out our names and insulted us in highly impolite manners. Please stop, I think I speak for most people when I say we don't want this to be an argument about our person, but a debate on the issue at hand, so please stop the harrasment.
We dislike glowing hands, nothing is going to change that. We are not asking for its removal, we are asking simply for FREEDOM and the ability to choose to turn it off when we play because it is an eye sore to us. We are not asking that you change what you do, just for an option, so we can once again enjoy our gameplay.
Good luck with that. An optional skill animation function? Such a thing would be completely unprecedented in the game.
Not that the reasoning against glowy hands isn't absurd. You CAN turn it off (along with other similar overt animations). I and many others are elated to have them back and quite frankly, this talk of it in a negative light, I don't take kindly to it. It threatens my quality of e-life.
I love the glowy hands, they make me smile every time I see them. I have one minnie that runs War Speech almost constantly and it's cute to see the little hobbit with the glow hands running around. My main is pure healing spec'd but elated to see the momentary glowy hands when her heals open a power-free War Speech single attack and she happily screams at the target assist (so long as nobody is in danger of dying because of it).
The animation isn't huge or glaring in my opinion. But it's sure fun.... and I'm so glad they brought it back!
They make me cringe every time I see them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaniemooch
And in my opinion it is glaring.Quote:
The animation isn't huge or glaring in my opinion.
Two opinions, completely opposite, neither is better than the other, but the opinions on this issue run strong on both ends of the spectrum. Because the divide is so deep all we're asking for is a way to make this effect optional.
Give us another skill that does that, or a cosmetic so that glowy hands are available to all.
How does it threaten you? We are not asking for its removal, we are asking for an option, you don't like multiple options, everyone has to play your way?Quote:
Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk
Yes, we can turn it off, and in doing so we turn off every animation that WE see, other people in game however will still see it. I like the other animations and I do not want other players in game to see a fairy in place of my character.
And yes, I think it is a very noticeably feature, I can tell its a minstrel from a pretty good ways off now. I walk into Bree vault, 10 - 20 people in there, one of them was a female elf minstrel, you know how I know, because they stuck out worse than a Lore Master's bear in there. Given that, I could not care less whether they had it on, they are free to have their character look however they want, I just dont want MY character to look like that.
And that right there is why they attack you personally. Because I doubt anyone would look at your character and think fairy yet you keep putting in your personal emotions about how you feel other people looking at your character feel. You can make it to where you can't see it yourself that should be enough for you. It has already been said that you can play around with the settings to make it be off while having all the other animations on just by changing the settings before and after you enter warspeech. A separate toggle just to turn this animation off would be unprecedented as Phantom said especially since if you play around you can make it to where you can't see it which is all that should matter. Making it to where others can't see the animation as well isn't fair to others that may like it and want to see the hands on others as well as themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxe
This was a broken feature that has just now (after how many years?) been fixed. It is not an addition or a change to your classes, but a fix. And I'm glad for it.
I especially enjoy it when I slap people. Awwwwwww, yeah.
P.S. The fact this is the most discussed thread on the Minstrel forums is depressing. We should kind of be ashamed of ourselves.
At this point you should be able to recognize every single class in every single race simply by a few key visual points. Glowing hands is far from the most obvious distinguishing factor for a class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxe
If you don't want your character to look like that in the Bree valut, turn off War-Speech. Tada! Not like you're going to be going about fighting any Balrogs in there so what do you have it on to begin with?
To people who keep saying "Well, you can turn off your own animation, and that's all that matters" I offer this rebuttal...
1)You always gloss over the fact that turning off the animation turns off ALL animations, and that's a fix that's worse than the disease.
2)I really don't like seeing glowy hands on other minstrels either. I don't think "fairy" as others have stated, but I do think "ridiculous firefly... and that's how my mini looks too."
I said NOTHING about dislike of the glowing hands in the vault, I mentioned it to state that it was an obvious animation. I am fine with people having glowing hands, its just not for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by WYSIWYFG
And for the other poster that says that emotional, THAT IS NOT EMOTIONAL, emotional would be if I said I felt like a fairy, NO I said I look like a fairy which is a fact that I believe that and my opinion, not my emotion. I can say it 100 times, I don't have a problem with glowing hands, I just don't want them on my character.
No, I am not going to go into options, turn off the effect, go into warspeech, turn the effects back on, everytime I log on, that is annoying and unnessesary. And for those of you who say its unprecedented, alot of things are unprecedented, that doesn't stop them from exsisting. When RK and Warden came out, that one unprecedented to the game to have new classes. When the ability to have cosmetic outfit options, that was unprecedented to the game.
And for the record I have not been attacked personally, other have, however when they are attacked based on their beliefs, whether their beliefs are the same or different from mine, that is an attack on me, and then I DO take it personally. When someone is called a cry baby because they voice their opinion, when we have freedom of speech, I DO take that as a personal attack on them and on me, so should the rest of you.
And I want to wear heavy armour for cosmetic purposes. And large shields. Fact is some things are simply too much to ask. A togle for a graphic/animation is a pretty massive thing to request, in my opinion. There are entirely too many people that not only love the glowing hands of power (which is a perfectly logical character representation for what is happening, in my opinion) but are aware that it has been the state of the skill since the beginning of Warspeech back during Volume 1 Book 11's Month of the Minstrel.
So yeah. Sorry you folks don't like it. Although I feel 99% sure that a toggle to display it will never be added. And shouldn't be.
Okay, you have to admit. That was pretty emotional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxe
Yah, that was emotional, I get really pissed off when people tell me I am being emotional, trust me, what you see here, is not me being emotional, getting emotional over a game is not in my ability, getting emotional over someone insulting me, is.Quote:
Originally Posted by WYSIWYFG
You can wear heavy armour for cosmetic purposes.... Why shouldn't a toggle be avaliable?
You are asking for its removal b/c the 'option' will never happen. How would Turbine even begin to implement such a thing? They have never done anything remotely like it ingame. Also, I was being a little fatuous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxe
Your reasoning strikes me as absurd with a hint of monomania. The other animations have you firing lasers and all manner of other glowy stuff, but they're desirable while glowy hands are not? Ohnoes, other people can see my glowy hands, what, does everyone have to play and see the game as you insist? See what I did there? ;oQuote:
Yes, we can turn it off, and in doing so we turn off every animation that WE see, other people in game however will still see it. I like the other animations and I do not want other players in game to see a fairy in place of my character.
Yeah, I thought the same. We should be discussing how unfairly the new instances are designed to put so much weight on the healer or new gear or something, instead we are humoring a vocal minority (seems like 2-3 people) who are fixated on destroying our recently restored and beloved glowy hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by WYSIWYFG
The /poke animation is especially hilarious. It is a tad broken with WS on.
To have the ability to make you look a certain way should tell you something about the topic your arguing/debating over and your stance on that topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiamo
It is a silly thing to get emotional over...really it is...
If your aguement is that most minstrels didn't want this then you're wrong. PERIOD END. If you feel it could have been done differently then that is a point of discussion/opinion/suggestion and there really is no winning or losing because its no longer an arguement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiamo
We have glowy hands. It was feature that was requested by a large enough portion of Turbines customer base for them to not only spend time/money implementing it but to so dispite the fact some players may not like it.
Everyone had the opportunity to voice theire opinion; especailly players who follow the forums. In the end, Turbine implemented a popular request that does little to nothing it terms of actual "effect" in-game, but give most ministrels a cosmetic effect they have been wanting for a long time.
A toggle would be fine if it was something they could implement easily. My guess is that it isn't going to be easy being that no other stance/skill in the game has a FX toggle to it. It would a whole new feature and I personally want Turbine focusing on what are "popular" requests and not on something only a few players will take advantage of.
We have cosmetic costume slots specifically so our characters can look how we want them to, so don't try to tell me it's not a priority.
I never said "most" people felt the way I do. However, it's pretty clear there are many that do.
Sssnapdragon, you may have a point in there somewhere. My position and my arguments are tied up in emotion, and I'll admit, I've used terms that might be considered attacks (such as "Wow-kiddies"). Thus, I will restate my position in a manner that should be more acceptable overall.
The glowing hands of War Speech are inappropriate to the setting, which is supposed to have subtle magic, and is inappropriate to the power, as speech has nothing to do with the hands. Further, they are aesthetically displeasing, and make Minstrels stand out in Monster Play, placing them at greater risk.
A large portion of the Minstrel community feel that this is unacceptable. It is our desire that a toggle be added to the power's cosmetic effect so it can be disabled by people that dislike it, but remain enabled for those that do like it. In this way, everyone will be happy.
You could say the glowy hands make minis more safe in monster play, being that creeps can now tell if they are healing or DPS....Healers die first. Before you never knew so you you just killed the minstrels first to be sure. Nothing has changed for a healing mini, but a DPS mini now gets left unmolested to blow stuff up until the healers are toast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiamo
"A large portion" is relative. 1%, 10%, 90% all can be a large portion to some. Simply put, the popular or common opinion is that glowy hand rock and those that believe otherwise are just unpopular. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tiamo