LOTRO players after the initial Datacenter announcement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbuvhINVt8c
And after this announcement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbuvhINVt8c
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LOTRO players after the initial Datacenter announcement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbuvhINVt8c
And after this announcement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbuvhINVt8c
..............
Not as if it wasn't expected, but this is just another step towards the end of the game.
Moving the servers to EU would have given the players the feeling that the game still has a future, but now it just looks like an act to not waste anymore money, as the final shutdown isn't far anymore.
C'mon, just think about the recent past:
2/3 servers closed.
Massive rounds of layoffs.
No offical responses on the forum for weeks, not even a maintenance downtime to the game for almost a month.
No more moderation of the forum, spam taking over, other players getting openly bashed (tha_jaggernaut thread in the player suggestions subforum).
Ingame GMs no longer on duty, EU players have to check US work times to know if GM help can be expected or not.
Tickets getting auto-closed as soon as people log out, even if they waited 10h for a response.
Lags, crashes, disconnects everywhere. They just tell us to send bug reports, but get never back to us about their progression of their problem fixing, just "we work on it...".
Some cool features everyone loved like mylotro or the lotteries getting axed, usually with blablabla reasoning.
Other cool new features everyone loved like Bree revamp or Lalias market were not finished or abandoned shortly after introduction.
So many promises were broken (housing revamp...).
New content is usually always buggy, laggy and faceroll. Lvl 100 players have nothing better to do than search in the very last spots of the world for a treasure cache, as the ridiculous grindig of essences and LIs is not worth the effort because best gear is usually needed mostly for PVP, which is unplayable anyway.
...i could continue on forever with this...
So, it's really no surprise we've been fooled again!
Everyone who is still defending Turbine should just think about all these facts and let them sink in for a moment...
(as i typed this, of course, i was disconnected from the game again - around the 10th time today, don't even count anymore...)
I've cleaned horse stalls with less manure in them than this. Good luck to the EU players, I'm very sorry you got shafted again.
Thank you Beanie, but we in the EU need more Luck...much more Luck...Today they cancelled our 8 Months Dreams to play lovely Lotro again on a EU Server, which stands global in Amsterdam...
So the Brand New US Datacenter at New Jersey is running very well since 11 January, now the thoughts for the Lotro Tech Team goes to 100 Percent to the Brand New EU Datacenter in Amsterdam...or not?!? And if the 5 EU Servers goes to Amsterdam, there are less Problems with Latency and Routing at the 5 US
Servers in New Jersey...or doesn`t have Time Warner the Money to rent only 5 Servers in Amsterdam?...
Montage video of snippets from this lecture, exec letters, in game performance footage...... SOOOOOOOO tempting to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by peachykins
PS - already ripped to HDD from YouTube, and under Fair Use (yes, I'm aware of #WTFU on YouTube, but I'm willing to kill my channel if needed) I could be very tempted to constructively criticise, and report on in a journalistic fashion (IE to review and to educate) whether you practice what you preach.
Ok I got through to the end, so my impressions:Quote:
Originally Posted by Macdui
Key was the comment from being in a start-up that failed and content that never got seen and not wanting to repeat that.
I'm getting "mothering" the team, not sure if that's appropriate.
It was the "customer is always right, but which do you listen to?" and the conviction that the players posts were effected by the wider world's problems, however we come to play to forget the wider world's issues not put up with #### in game too.
Also the idea that customer comms was purely PR and how nice people were to her on meeting and chatting vs online posts.
We've seen this with Sapience and Frelorn fans and their fawning.
To me this means she's developed a thick skin and let the complains roll off her back rather than actually take complaints on board.
The finger pointing and acceptance of mistakes is a nice ideal but constant errors really undermine the confidence of the players.
Clearly prefers Live Action Role Play to playing the game she produces.
So it's 40 people including a few interns.
Clearly a difficult job and some considerable focus on "people skills" but I not getting that she regards us as people, we are just faceless users who don't appreciate what they do for us. However given the nearly nine years we have been playing we have seen what the different teams have given us and know that we used to have engaging game play with requisite rewards for effort and time. A client and server that could handle the load of a 24 man raid.
The most revealing is how much downtime is a factor because if people aren't playing their income drops and the suits want to see if numbers are down because the cash doesn't flow, long live the STORE.
Maybe I won't log on after the maintenance tomorrow...
Mac
Edit missed the 4th Dec knowing the datacentre move was only to NJ we learn this over a month later.
And this isn't me they are talking to, lalalalalalala, it is you we are talking to though.
Ambitious or just a good blagger?
The "Brand New EU Datacenter Amsterdam", it sounds very great, but i hear nothing about it...
Since now, remember the Lotro Tech Team every day the Words "Brand new EU Datacenter Amsterdam", because they forget these simply words...
Don`t ask Lotro about Grinding, Don`t ask Lotro about routing, Don`t ask Lotro about Latency and regional ISP`s , ask Lotro after the Words " Brand New EU Datacenter in Amsterdam"...
I think, maybe in 2 Days this thread will be closed, because the Lotro Tech Team doesn`t like the simply words :" Brand New EU Datacenter Amsterdam"...
5 US Servers in New Jersey, 5 EU Servers in Amsterdam...I have told you, don`t forget it. I will remind you every day, since the 5 EU Servers stands in Amsterdam....
The 5 European Servers from Gwaihir until Evernight goes to Europe again at soon as possible....maybe 2018...who will knows...
I am encouraged that your butt hurt and overall suffering continues Hurin. You are on my highlight reel. Thank you again for always looking at my posts and empowering me. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurin
For the next Future of Lotro, the meaning Words for the Lotro Tech Team are:" Brand New Datacenter At Amsterdam"...
I've only watched the first half so far, but if she's serious about just half of what she says, then LOTRO has a good, even great, producer. Yes, the Amsterdam data center is a biggie. If there was just one thing I could choose among the major initiatives of 2015-2016, it would've been Amsterdam. I'm one of those players that were really hurt and exploited by this false promise as I started a completely new life on an EU server leaving behind 9 capped and mostly raid-ready toons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macdui
And yet, I have the nerve to say she is a great producer, because I feel she is actually producing tangible results that correspond well to what we've been asking for. Not gonna list everything, instance clusters, raid, cosmetic weapons, killing sambrog are just a few of them.
I also think a producer is playing from the cards he or she has been dealt. If the company lacks the assets to make something happen, she can't make it miraculously happen anyway. One thing I don't agree with is the way she communicates continuing the time-honored Turbine way of deception and half-truths.
In the World Transfer, the EU Players goes to EU Server Amsterdam, i told you every day from now...Don`t forget the Brand New Datacenter at Amsterdam...
The main thing in this thread is, that the EU Datacenter Amsterdam doesn`t excists...So ask Vyvyanne, why this EU Datacenter in Amsterdam doesn`t excists....
RE: the moving of datacenter to Amsterdam:
Turbine sometimes says what what the players want to hear - not maliciously or in a butt-kissing kind of way, but perhaps genuinely wanting to make the players happy.
According to Aylwen, regarding Kate Paiz and the new PvMP map:
(underlined emphasis mine).Quote:
“Again, to use PvMP for an example, there was a case where someone…indicated in response to queries from some PvMPers that, yes, a new map was on the way. The thing was, that was absolutely not on the table, no plans for it whatsoever. I think she just wanted to make the players happy at the time (a very human response, not a malicious lie, just a promise she was in no way qualified to make).”
I think that originally a datacenter move to Amsterdam was discussed, given the go ahead, but then somewhere last Summer, something changed (most likely bad financial news) and upper management said NO (at least they did by Christmas time). The problems with the datacenter in January was the final nail in the coffin (if not the second bullet to the back of the head) of EU datacenter plans. I think Vyv and Frelorn really wanted the EU move to happen, didn't mean to string the players along, hoping things would all work out. Apparently, the final decision was made and/or they were informed of this yesterday.
Hence, this morning's announcement.
ps. On the other, if Maartena is right, and they planned this for several months (building a datacenter to handle 10 servers instead of 5 actually began last Fall, and NOT last month), then as I wrote elsewhere last week:
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Welcome to Corporate America.....
Or at least the Corporate world in general.....
In the corporate world, you absolutely NEVER EVER admit that the company screwed up.....
You PR spin, evade, confuse, obfuscate, and even lie so your customers never find out what happened....the smarter ones actually try to fix the problem (while still shirking responsibility)....
Just like government and politics....
Do you mean every day, or every ten minutes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Munzel
Quote:
Turbine sometimes says what what the players want to hear - not maliciously or in a butt-kissing kind of way, but perhaps genuinely wanting to make the players happy.
According to Aylwen, regarding Kate Paiz and the new PvMP map:
(underlined emphasis mine).Quote:
“Again, to use PvMP for an example, there was a case where someone…indicated in response to queries from some PvMPers that, yes, a new map was on the way. The thing was, that was absolutely not on the table, no plans for it whatsoever. I think she just wanted to make the players happy at the time (a very human response, not a malicious lie, just a promise she was in no way qualified to make).”
Keep this in mind when there is talk about a new RAID........
I believe the Infinite Crisis servers were located in New Jersey and Amsterdam. After IC shut down they were probably going to switch lotro to both locations but I guess WB had other plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by friendsofthetooks
Also looks like DDO is moving to jersey after lotro's problems are solved. That might be a while.
Wow. Can't make heads or tails out of that one. Who are you again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorgrum
Not surprised. But upset. =(