http://www.lotro.com/lotrostorenew
Well, well, well I love it!!!! :rolleyes: (sarcasm)
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http://www.lotro.com/lotrostorenew
Well, well, well I love it!!!! :rolleyes: (sarcasm)
Allright, so armor using the same old grafics and offering not a whole lot of stats ?
It's a step closer to selling raid gear I guess, and to make crafting less useful ?
I've stayed off the discussion forums before but what the heck. Granted the armour on sale is pretty weak to say the least but it is potentially a sign of things to come.
Personally I don't have issues with the store, I use my free 500tp a month but that's all. I wouldn't like to see stuff on sale in the store that is hard to obtain in the game, would seem a bit unfair to the people who put in the time and effort to get shiny items.
Let's hope it doesn't get to that
Dyran
These new store armours really leave a bad taste in the mouth. As far as I can tell, they have lower stats than equivalent-level crafted armour, but that's not really the point, is it?
Nope, that is not the point, I think these armors are test dummies to see how players will react and then that way they can unleash more and more armors in the store.
Consider me mildly disgruntled, though the Store still remains in the can-safely-ignore category for the time being.
Its worse than low level crafted gear... there's really no point in this.
THIS gear is nothing to be concerned about, just something to help levelling up.
BUT
It's a very disturbing LEAP down the slippery slope by Turbine. That's scary, that they would move so deliberately in this direction. If they stop here fine but they just gave us reason to worry (for the first time, IMO) about their stopping power. :(
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01...through-the-s/
I can not think of a single reason this is necessary. Also, even if this were level 20 gear, it appears to be better than what you can get for that level. ; (DDO sells gear similar to what its veterans status characters can get automatically, and L20 in LotrO represents a similar amount of time invested.)
Please reconsider the sale of these items. At the very least their stats should be EXACTLY the same as crafted gear of the appropriate level. ANY boost over gear players can REASONABLY acquire at the level is UNACCEPTABLE. Temporary DP style buffs are one thing. Permanent gear is quite another.
I don't understand the purpose of this, aside from blatantly ripping people off.
Oh dear lord... might as well forget doing anything at 75 if its offered for that level. Who needs a crafter though when you've got the store on your side making you stuff? Every week this game seems to go more the way of 'pay to win.'
Well, I'm done. It was fun while it lasted. So long, LOTRO, I enjoyed my time with you.
Uh-oh. This is bad, bad, BAD. After this all pretenses are dropped and all bets are off. You're making it a P2W game, Turbine. Things like Relic Packs, Stat Tomes and Creep Skills were bad already, but now THIS! Even though those affected combat directly one could argue that the impact actually was minimal - not so with Store gear.
And that is what upcoming patch is for? If this goes live, people are gonna be frustrated and leave. NOT because they can't have the most uber store gear at level 20 without paying - but because of principle. Please, please reconsider this decision before it's too late. You're gonna get some quick money from confused newbies determined to have the best gear for level 15, but will lose MANY longtime players who simple despite the fact that gear is sold by Store in principle.
I am disappointed with this. I think this is a huge mistake and will turn many players off the game.
If this goes through and becomes 'mandatory gear', as in required to be invited to groups, it will damage the game as much as the stupid monocles did EVE.
I really HATE they they keep moving these hot-topic threads to such out-of-the way areas where most people never get to see them or join in on the discussion.
I also like how they announce this on Friday at the end of the work day so that no one from Turbine has to deal with any backlash till the weekend is over and thus we get no official response to any concerns.
I am not at all surprised to see this thread (and considered starting one myself before I saw it ~ I found that e-mail a smidge disturbing). Oy! Slippery slope, indeed..
Recipe: Loose Linen Shoes. L20 crafted Light teal shoes. Oneshot- 89 armor, 7 will 42 power.OR 89 armor +7 vit, +42 power.
Store:
Golden Shoes of the Benefactor Tier III: +111 Armour, +8 Will, +8 Fate and +8 Vitality
Better armor, Both stats, and runspeed to boot? Certainly seems better to me.
Also, Turbine I acknowledge that you moved this to store feedback, but I certainly feel this is a major shift and that some form of discussion should be allowed to take place in General.
It does seem like they're testing the waters, reversing a pretty fundamental policy of their turn to F2P.
I'll wait a few days for an official response, but this is precisely the kind of change that'll make me stop playing, delete all my characters, uninstall the client and forget about this game altogether. So long, Turbine.
Deary me not good , on the slippery slope of P2w ,baaaad move.
Slope meet slippery.
I'm not seeing the point of this armor other than Turbine dipping it's toe in the water to see what the community reaction is.
For what it's worth, I am in no way interested in buying stated armor from the store. I also feel it cheapens or in someway lessens the experience of getting good armor by running content.
Really not liking this change at all.
What are the level requirements for the armor, must have missed that info.
I probably will craft as much as possible of a similar level and post up on the AH.
That's the intention. As others have mentioned, it's not top tier gear, there is better available through game play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moondog548
No gear is permanent. Characters 'out grow' their gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crell_1
It's lower level gear. Many players have given us feedback that there is a sparcity of gear on the AH at these levels and they wanted an alternative. We're trying to accomodate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fipiara
So, I applaud your decision to kick start the gear market on your server. Options are what it's all about. :)
Y'know, I'm generally supportive of Turbine despite all the detractors and believe that LotRO continues to be a good game but this is a slide down the slippery slope, just a really, REALLY bad move.
But how is that any different than selling draig. or crafting equiv. as there is better available in the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
Going from not selling statted gear in the store to selling statted gear is a bold line that is much easier to follow/see than "well we will sell stated gear up to a point".
I've been find with almost everything on the store thus far. Some of it was iffy, but outright selling statted equipment like this? No. This is a problem to me, this is genuinely game breaking thing that more directly encourages avoiding crafters, playing with others and so forth more than arguably anything before it.
This is something they specifically are quoted as saying would not happen. Whether or not it's better is irrelevant to me. That's another argument -- it sucks either way.
And now I find myself feeling paranoid and wondering if all of the other stuff I trusted Turbine to not do might eventually happen. Why quest (and theoretically work with others) for gear or gold? Why learn to craft or rely on the sales of other crafters? At what point can we just buy levels?
This is not what I feel we were "sold" when F2P was announced. I bought content for the game as a VIP and Premium user specifically under the guise that this practice would not happen with LOTRO.
Had I known this would so easily been thrown out I wouldn't have bothered at all. As upset as various people have been over the years, this is the first time I (someone who bought literally every expansion, every quest pack and every instance/skirmish, etc) am genuinely worried and bothered.
Please cut this now.
We WILL see raid armor in the Store in the future.
Count on it...
This is the kind of thing that does make it feel likt LOTRO is just a WB testing grounds for micro-transactions. :(
Not likely to get a response for the next few days since it's now the weekend and the workday for Turbine (Boston) is pretty much over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimwald
That is a very dangerous viewpoint when deciding what could be sold in the store. A 2nd age LI is also not permanent in the way that you will replace it if you get your hands on a 1st age LI. Or level cap teal gear is not permanent since you will be replacing it when the level cap is raised. Would you dare sell those in the store, claiming they are "temporary buffs"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
This is a step in the wrong direction. I can only hope you folks are reasonable with how far you take this.
I'm still wondering at which point the following passage will be quietly deleted from the F2P FAQ:
Frankly, it hasn't been true since day one considering that stat tomes, being ultra-rare drops from loot chests, can hardly be considered anything other than premium loot, but I still hold the naive hope that the FAQ will someday remove the falsehood quoted above. (On an unrelated note, I'm in the market for any bridges that might be for sale.)Quote:
7. Will I still be able to play and enjoy the game without buying items from the LOTRO Store, or is that my only option for gaining weapons, armor, potions, and other goodies such as premium loot?
The purchase of items in the LOTRO Store is entirely optional. While items in the Store are designed to immediately enhance your in-game experience, premium loot and rare gear are the rewards of adventure and are only obtainable through gameplay.
Sadly, the move to sell armor in the Store doesn't surprise me. I'm not even surprised that it appears to be armor tailored to take advantage of people who are ignorant of how long the armor will actually be useful.
Well done, Zynga. Er, Turbine.
What EXACTLY are the levels assigned to these gear pieces?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
It certainly seems 'better' than what I'd envision the levels to be.
With the levels we can give more HARD data and reasoned comparison. Thank you.
Also, you've added 'Effect: Halted Experience' to the game. ; There's no reason a character ever has to out grow their gear now.
Bingo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fipiara
Yup.
If they're willing to sell equipment with stats (for any level) then they're willing to sell everything.
Bad, very, very bad - as in, potentially drive away a huge chunk of players bad. The only people who will like this are those who want to be able to pay for everything you can achieve in game and, although they might be the most profitable store customers, I'd be very surprised if they were numerous (or spendthrift) enough to make up for the loss of money from other players who will un-subscribe, refuse to pay any more money or just outright stop playing at such a blatant step over the convenience-advantage line.
SAPIENCE
Let's ignore the fact that purchasing any gear isn't necessary at lower levels - you get everything you need from quests (which are free for all). Let's ignore the fact that on 3 servers my low-levels alts are the AH is filled with low-level gear at incredibly small prices - because people are leveling their crafts and getting rid of by products.
This change is a very bad move in principle. No self-respecting gamer would suggest to his friend a game that sells gear for real money. Where before I would say "LOTRO is not like other F2P games! They don't sell gear - only fluff like mounts, cosmetics and housing items." I might also add "They also sell things like relics packs, stat tomes and in-combat curative potions" - because a non-LOTRO player wouldn't know what exactly those things are, even though we know that those DO give you unique advantage in combat. But now that's all gone. When asked about LOTRO, I will be forced to admit "Yeah, they sell gear in Store" and for most sensible people that would be enough to mentally erase the game from being worth trying. We can add "It's only lower level gear! It's not as good as instances and raid rewards!" all along, but the fact is that won't matter squat.
People DO. NOT. WANT. to play RPG games that sell gear for real money in principle - and they're goshdarn right. The result is that you'll gain some small immediate gain but hurt the game in the long term horribly. Less new players would join because "Games that sell you gear for money suck!" (and yes, they do) and existing players - both VIPs and Premiums would leave in disgust because they wouldn't want to be associated with such game any longer.
Halted experience is an option. If you want to stop your character in their lower 20s (about the max level of the gear in question) then that's your choice. Like I mentioned above, it's all about options. Now you'll have more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crell_1
LOL. Who do you think you're kidding? I'd love to see these "metrics" Turbine relies on that suggest low-level armor being even remotely near the top of customer's concerns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
The irony of this is that crafters are going to be the most angry about this change, when they are the ones that could have prevented it in the first place by keeping the AH stocked with more lower level gear. I've mentioned in many threads over the past couple of years how fast low to mid-level crafted crits sell on the AH when crafters gripe about how they can't make any money. But I guess it fell on deaf ears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
'About the 'max level' Ok? So this is gear that you will forciably unequip at a given level? (Ala-the RoI XP stone?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
Certainly makes my L20 One-shot crit gear comparison seem legitimate though doesn't it?
Even if you forced me to unequip at at 20 when I started grouping, why was it OK the entire time to be outfitting me in gear stated LEVELS ahead of my character level?
This. It isn't. You've crossed what was a very clear bold line in the sand, and people are going to be upset. Perhaps you should consider sharing the reasons you think this will generate more profit than ill will for you? Is it part A of some feature? Ala: (IJ->IF-> IF 2.0) ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fipiara
If you wanted to make a similar gear set available to all players, you know how to hook up things to a barter vendor.
I'm at least mildly relived these don't appear to be new skins so I wont have to know at a glance people spent money on these things.
Gotta say I agree with this. Armour has never seemed to be in short supply on Arkenstone from my experience, and from what I understand it's one of the smaller servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dokomo33
Just being fair.
What levels is this gear available to? Crell_1 has already posted a comparison of some low level gear that this stuff is better than. Why have you suddenly abandoned the claim made at the start of free to play that you would not sell gear in the store?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
Putting level 75 gear in the store gives "more options", so why should we believe that it will stop here? How long until you can buy raid gear or the actual legendary items (seeing as you can already buy the legacies, relics and other scrolls) in the store?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
Never seem people complain that there is no low level gear on the AH. I stop making it as it never sold, even when putting it on for the vendor price.
I think this is a huge mistake and another bold face lie
http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/07...-with-turbine/Quote:
I expressed the general player concern over whether the store will give the moneybags-player too much of a leg up over others. I was told that they're being careful not to offer any unbalancing buffs or items -- for example, Turbine decided from the start that the store would not sell gear with any stats attached. There will, however, be purchasable tomes that give your character a one-time bump in a particular stat (such as vitality), but these bonuses are more designed to aid a low-level character than a level-capped one.
What ever next :(
WB you greedy sod, leave this game alone! Enough is enough
LOTRO was so much better before you came
I too must state my disappointment in this decision. Even if the gear were for Level 5 characters, you are breaking the player-based game economy with this. It's one of the delicate things about MMOs with crafting, people who invest time in training up their crafting skills with the intent of making a quasi-business out of them typically do so to fill a demand.
Any players who are stating they have trouble finding armor at lower levels shouldn't be given paid armor, they should be given better in-game advice how to seek out better gear in-game (see how often I said in-game there?)
If lack of supply is the issue and the gear is only good for low levels why not just add it the armour vendors in Bree and let people buy it with gold?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
This would solve the lack of supply issue would it not
If you were selling in the store Lev 75 gear that only drops in raids I may believe that many players may have suggested, listen LOTRO we are lev 75 but dont have time to raid 20+ times to get a piece of armor and we want you to put these armors in the store, I may for a minute said you know what that is believable but level 20 gear??? Gimme a break, my crafters are right now crafting level 58 gear, any level entry player that joins a kin can get a good well crafted level 20 gear.
Who are you kidding? Gimme a break we are not 10 years old.
Just thought of another point on this. You say you've introduced this gear because of a lack of crafted gear. What happens when new players don't bother upgrading their crafting skills because they can just buy gear that's as good/better. Then they get a little higher level, and there's no crafted gear available there, because no one bothered with it because they could just buy the gear from the store. Will you then add more gear for those level ranges, then higher and higher as it continues?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
I hate to say his, Sapience, but this really is the thin edge of the wedge. How can we trust Turbine not to go whole hog sometime in the future and sell raid-equivalent gear. You know, because 'people complain there isn't enough gear in the AH at that level'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
Did these lower level players ask around in chat channels for any crafters that could help make them gear? Most people when crafting at that level normally only make crit armor for themselves and then grind the rest of the crafting level to get to the next tier. If I see people are asking for gear in chat channels, I'll generally help them out with whatever they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
I strongly disapprove of this move to sell gear in the store with stats; yes, it's low level stuff now, but who's to say where the line stops now?
Right now I am level 54 and I can tell you that at least in m y server there ARE NOT decent gear that you can buy from the AH better than what I already have so listen LOTRO I want some Excellent Gear Level 54 so I can replace the gear I have and you can go to Imladris AH and check and you will see I am telling you the truth about quality gear level 54. So where do we draw the line?
regardless of stated intentions....
(we all know from past experiences that no matter what the reps say, if a suit decrees it, it will happen)
i am worried that if these sell even slightly well, we will eventually see purple, teal and orange gear.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
I find that hard to believe.
Many times I see low level gear (even critted) offered for free in chat.
Looks like the feces is hitting the Turbine...
Doesn't this really mean a sparcity of gear, period? If there were decent gear available through normal gameplay, then players wouldn't need to go to the AH. Mentioning the AH is a misdirection. If the problem is not enough gear at XYZ level, then it should be fixed by normal methods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapience
Orange gear? Oh. oh I dream of those, I havent seeing one ever......:rolleyes::rolleyes: (Oh #### now I gave LOTRO more ideas about what sell in store) :D;)
QFT like for example quests that give you a whole set of armor or whole set of jewelery like already exists at higher levels, or make those sets that already exist in the skirmish easier to obtain (with less requirements or less cost)Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverangel
I agree, but I think that you, I, and many others in this thread have a different idea of what a "normal method" is to fix an alleged problem in LOTRO than do the people who have been deciding what "fixes" to implement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverangel
I rarely, if ever, see people offering up free crit gear in chat. Also, I have a level 28 Champ on Crickhollow, who is not a crafter. I looked on the AH a few days back for some decent crit gear, as I've amassed a decent amount of gold already, and there was NOTHING crit anywhere from the mid-twenties to 28.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryos
exactly...i cannot tell you how many times i put low level stuff on the ah and see it come back to me unsold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryos
even at below cost prices.
this is just another way to make the crafter obsolete
I have seen many people offering free gear no crit is true, but if you ask around in the general chat and you are willing to pay, many people will craft it for you.
And I have the exact opposite experience both on Elendilmir where I've listed the things that I've made many times and always sold them and then on Crickhollow where I've put up crit gear I've won in the lotto and didn't need and those always sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by megaboy
Have you yourself asked for a crafter to make gear for you? If not, you should...there is more than likely someone out there who would make gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayrolen
Let's turn this around a bit. The game is now nearing it's five year anniversary. Many, many, many people have reached max level during these years. So this means the gear currently in the game is good enough to get through the levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverangel
So why these ridiculously priced pieces in store?
My own guess is to gather data for the push to sell gear at all levels in future.
I can't believe this. I've actually joined the cynical tinfoil hatters.
Bad form, turbine. You are alianating your fans fast this way.
Exactly what levels are these armors equipable at? I'd like to make an honest comparison with crafted gear but I'm not sure how these tiers translate to player level.
I can't believe this has arrived at the store. What a low blow. Simply disgusting work.
The GM said the armors are for low level.
I ask kinsmen on my main server when I need something, sure. But I'm not willing to sit around waiting for some random crafter to gather up the mats necessary (if they don't have them), then make everything, when I don't have a lot of time to play. I'm an instant gratification kind of gal, so if it's not on the AH or I don't have a friend willing to make it for me and send it to me later, I won't bother. Granted, I also won't buy it from the store out of principle. /shrugQuote:
Originally Posted by Borafin
Look for yourself:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01...through-the-s/
While it may only be newbie gear at the moment, it WILL evolve into end-game someday. How do I know? They originally said they would not place items with stats on them in the LotRO Store but they did that. What's to stop them when they start making money off the low level stuff from making high level stuff? P2W FTW! I'm guessing no GM will reply to this thread, or try to shed light, since they really do not care about the community.
Idk, if you believe this forum, this game has been in its death throes since beta.
There is only one thing to do now. Craft our collective butts off and flood all AHes with good in-game gear.
I'll add my vote against this as well. The word was there would not be advantage or gear sold in the store. This directly violates both of those, and sets a very bad precedence and opening move later on.
There's not lower level gear on the AH? Gee, I don't think there's enough high end and raid level gear on the AH either. Does that mean it should be added to the store as well? NO!
Gear does not belong in the store. Period. At all. Ever. And I frankly don't care what level it is.
All I can see this doing is preying on those just starting who haven't figured out that gear at those levels is replaced in about 15 minutes of paytime anyways as you level up and complete those entry quests that provide decent enough as it is. Those levels don't need to buy gear- they get it as quest rewards. And it just sets it up to offer at higher levels as well. Bad move.
Granted I try to ignore the Store as much as possible but... I got an Ad saying they are going to sell Armour in the store for TP. Is this a new option for the store or has it been there all along?
I see Light, Medium and Heavy for sale.
http://www.lotro.com/lotrostorenew
Ah, but the trick is that suddenly, once you begin to worry, you realize that all the other reasons to worry that you dismissed were probably legitimate causes for worry as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moondog548
We were recently told that (effectively store-only) stat tomes totaling +70 per stat weren't any reason to worry. . . and before that store-only relics weren't a reason to worry. . . and prior to that, the store-only stacking potions. You get the idea. . .
The trick is to stand on principle. When we don't do that, they take an inch at a time, knowing that each time we'll compromise on principle and merely say: "It's not that bad." It's never that bad all at once. But rest assured that we'll get there one small step at a time.
You might what to see what is coming:
http://www.lotro.com/lotrostorenew
on January 17, 2011 in the store
The opinions stated on that forum - you can choose to agree, disagree or somewhere in between. The heavy shown is taken from Turbine's web site.
Here is an article regarding this stuff.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01...through-the-s/
Speaking as a long-time EVE player, I'm all too familiar with staring into the giant gaping pit of the hell that is people being able to pay real money for in-game items. CCP (EVE's developer) learned their lesson and backed away from it after enough vehement community feedback. Turbine/WB have an important choice to make here, it's becoming clear (not just from these forums but from internet reaction in general) that there is going to be very little support, and most likely a lot of vitriol over this decision.
You must choose... but please choose wisely. LotR:O is one of the few MMOs left that I always come back to check in on (and spend money on).
Welcome, brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronigard
(Tin foil hat optional.)
Unfortunately, general discussions about the direction of the game have been deemed unsuitable for the 'General Discussion' forum. The main thread on this was moved to the store feedback forum, and this one will likely end up being moved as well, or locked.
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...e-store-armors
We don't quite have a means of protest available to us with nearly the impact that EVE players do - if the story I've heard is true, mass numbers of you gathered together to bombard and blow up the main space station in the game (something the devs can't just "respawn")?Quote:
Originally Posted by tenineteen
Now, if we had the ability to overwhelm the Watchers of Bree and torch the town, then maybe our objections would actually matter to those in power.
There is a striking lack of players providing feedback in this thread about the scarcity of low-level gear on their servers' auction houses and their desire for an additional purchasing option.
I have nothing good to say about this potential development, and I hope Turbine will reconsider its implementation.
A discussion about items in the LOTRO Store is more on topic in the LOTRO Store forum. You act as if the topic was deleted, or locked, or shoved in a place no one can go. "General Discussion" is much busier, yes, but that means any topic in here gets dropped to page 2 - never to be seen again - all the quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by StavroMuellerBeta
Edit: hah, that topic combining was quick; was done while I wrote this.
I think those players have been posting in a secret feedback forum along with all the people that asked for a tool to place them in ill-formed groups to run random skirmishes and instances not of their choosing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredelas
wow, i'm almost pissed at reading that.
Why would any even slightly intelligent person buy that.....
quest reward armor is good enough till you can skirm at 20.
GB armor is decent enough at 25.
craft some lvl 35 stuff.
Fem @ 42 (or forochel if you care to grind the rep for ally to wear/kindred to craft)
craft 51 crit
Moria @ 58-60
Mirk @ 65 (or get the galtrev stuff from quests)
75 raid gear that you can skirm for almost as easily (draigoch, not ox-clan trade)
I have personally harvested enough stuff for my newb toons to get crafted (generally crit) armor when ever i want.
This is crossing the line.
Congratulations everyone, we are officially entering PAY-TO-WIN.
Honestly, I dont think most of us pay attention to it, I know I am willing to craft low level gear when requested. Recently I've been on a low level character not-publically affiliated with my persona. It's been nice to lend a helping hand here and there. The barter community for our low-level players seems thriving. No its not on the AH, it's in /trade in Bree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredelas
Busier, but more people viewing it means a wider variety of opinions will be given. And as I said, discussions about the direction of the game shouldn't be shoved off to a rarely visited forum where the only active threads are those that were moved from more popular forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakiami
In any case, the thread was already moved and merged, so there's really no point in discussing why it should remain on the original forum.
Not only was the topic combined ultra quick - they blew up my reply in the process.
In short: Deceitful.
At best: Another hole in the sinking tub.
At worst: Do they (the metaphysical and almighty they) REALLY think no one will notice or care?
THIS ^Quote:
Originally Posted by Crell_1
You didnt need charge people TP for better statted gears, you could have made a longer quest that awards it.
So then thats NOT totally in the interest of people complaining that low level gears are not available in the AH when they have to pay real money for TP or real money for subscriptions that pay the TP that buy the better statted gears, see the pattern?
I watched one of my favourite games that I played for 6 years do what your doing and its now such a mess that I dont know a single person who used to play, my view is that somehow things here are getting so 'excitable' because of the hobbit movie coming out that will give an influx of players once again.
Expect the worst, anythings possible!
My opinion:
This kind of follows suit with bad decisions made since Lothlorien/Mirkwood. I dont really care if Frodo makes it to Mt Doom anymore-as a matter of fact its probably better he doesn't.
If I am to assume that anyone can wear these armors, then these would be an improvement over lvl 25 GB armor at the highest tier. Are there any level restrictions on these or can we buy armor (well just 3 pieces) that's good enough until lvl 30?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kantaryo
Players can most certainly protest this very easily by creating loads of gear to compete with these store abominations. But I fear most will not take the time to do this. In my experience, the lotro community is rather lethargic when it comes to protests of any kind. A few of us will make a bit of noise on the forum but in the game world no one will even blink.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenineteen
A simple question. . .
If there is nothing wrong with Turbine selling stat-bearing equipment in the store. . . If this is in keeping with the principles they themselves laid out regarding what would and would not be sold in the store. . . If this does not violate the "first principle" that character-enhancing gear should be obtained through gameplay. . .
Why haven't these items been in the store from the beginning?
*drip*. . . *drip*. . . *drip*. . . They know we won't notice the water level rising a drop at a time. And those who do notice won't really be able to do much about it.
Ugh....really?
All I can do in protest is not buy any TP.
I won't be buying any more for at least a couple months.
Please, this is too far.
Man.....I'm bummed now. We need a new head dev. This is utter garbage. I'm looking at many hundreds of dollars and many months of actual play time that might be just a memory now.
I FINALLY have cause to use a word I see used on the internet so freely and without merit...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestache
THAT Sir ^
is
EPIC!
This just gets more and more depressing all the time. Count me among the tinfoil hatters here. Given that they are putting into the store items that are typically rewards for questing and grouping (and learning your class in the process), there is now nothing stopping the game from eventually getting to a point where we'll have endgame players who got to 75 in a few weeks using store-bought accelerators, are fully geared and equipped with store-bought armor/weapons/jewelry/relics, and expect us to run endgame content with them even though they have no idea how to play.
I'm really missing the magic and wonder I felt when I first started playing this game. It used to be about the story and the community. Now it's all about the cash, and I don't see that ever changing.
Turbine tried to use a weak pay to win attack on Players Wallet but he evaded the attempt.
Players Wallet scored a critical hit with a cancel subscription attack on Turbine for $15 a month damage to Morale.
Too bad Turbine no
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Phat loot this time. Better luck on your next venture.
On my server I have never been able to sell a piece of critted T-2 to T-4 for more than I can get for the raw materials. Never After a while it's "why bother?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayrolen
Not that I'm saying this change is good - quite the opposite - now there will be even less reason for me to bother crafting anything.
I'm fairly new to the game, went VIP within a week of signing up, have purchased the MoM and RoI expansions and have been kind of semi-amused at all the "panick" from long term players over the F2P changes - until now. If this plays out the way we all pretty well know it is going to then I think I am really close to being done with LoTRO even though I've barely scratched the surface of the content I've already purchased.
I was planning on spending a fair amount of quality time in Middle Earth this weekend, but suddenly I don't even want to log into the game. I don't think I'll waste any more time on it for now, because if they stick with this decision I'm probably not even going to stick around long enough to get through Moria. I do not enjoy raiding or skirmishing - if they destroy crafting then I will not even be able to raise gold for equipment by selling raw materials on the AH - and the game is pretty much over for me.
Maybe there is a new expansion available for Fallout New Vegas - time to log into Steam and see how my weekend will be spent.
Look at how rapid the replies are coming from the times stated next to them.
I remember reading some patch update notes that said something similar to this:
"XXXXX was removed due to overwhelming feedback"
Well?
How overwhelming do you want it?
Sorry, but selling armour in the Store is NOT good. I don't like the very idea. I also don't like the idea of making Store-exclusive tier 7 stat tomes and making them available only for a limited time.
I don't know... is there some kind of gap in Turbine's 2011 bilance so they need to earn some money fast?
Sorry, but this is really not okay. I'd hate to have to move to another game, but it looks like Turbine is trying to make me go.
The long term players were "panicked" because we saw the direction Turbine was going. We saw Turbine take one step after another, yet people were always insisting the most recent step would be the last.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldePhart
This isn't some huge leap, it's just the next logical step toward the inevitable. It's big in the sense that more people are recognizing it, and it's big in the sense that it came so soon after the last few steps (store-exclusive stat tomes and lootboxes), but it's really no surprise to those of us who knew what to look for.
Unfortunately, after years of positive feedback from people who virtually worshiped Turbine's every move, no amount of complaints will stop the trend.
They are kind of pushing it, I admit...
I get that they want to make money - all fair. But if they're going to sell things, couldn't it at least be part of the game? I'd be ok with armor if they sold an 'extra-extra special pack' that allows you to do a new area/quest line to get that armor. Phased, instanced, whatever. Same with the horses. Let me buy *that,* even as a VIP/lifetime subscriber, and I wouldn't be so disillusioned. If it added to the content, I'd be fine with paying. This... just feels wrong.
Two threads in one: Today I realized that my trust in Turbine/WB was falsely placed, /facepalm...
As someone mentioned, I had a feeling but this is so blatant. I agree with this thread and think the weekend will be used in some other way. Not as a threat or anything, just feeling a little, you know, blah.