Rare Breed - Kin

Rare Breed is a kin on the Meneldor server. We are led into battle by our leader, Maegilthalion, and seconded by Marswarlord. We are a family of all different types of gamers from all different walks of life. Some of us are casual gamers; others of us are hard-core gamers. We enjoy all aspects of LOTRO. We have people who craft, who only solo quest, people who love to raid.
As one of the largest active kins on the server we have weekly scheduled runs, raids, and social events. Plus a creep tribe for those who like to PvMP. We stay pretty busy, and run lots of ad-hoc runs throughout the day, but we are most importantly a kin who likes to have fun.


We seek friendly and mature adult members to join us in our journey through the wonderful land of Middle Earth. If this kin is of interest to you, please visit our website or chat an officer in game.

Last night (Friday) someone commented about how dead the game was because there was only 2 people from their kin online on a Friday night. I quickly opened the social panel to see how many were on for Rare Breed ... 26.

It is clear that some kins are shrinking, for various reasons, and as a result; others are growing. Rare Breed has been a very steady kin, remaining very active during the lulls of LOTRO.

If you find your kin is dwindling and you are looking for a new home, come check out Rare Breed.

Rare Breed has leadership that tries to tell you after you buy kin AH items how you are allowed to benefit. You are persona non grata which you deceptively find out after the fact if you try to use what you buy in the best way the item can help you. They put control freak strings on you. I can't in good conscience reccommend them with their current leadership.

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Originally Posted by duttnutt

Rare Breed has leadership that tries to tell you after you buy kin AH items how you are allowed to benefit. You are persona non grata which you deceptively find out after the fact if you try to use what you buy in the best way the item can help you. They put control freak strings on you. I can't in good conscience reccommend them with their current leadership.

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You bought items on the AH listed as Kinship Only for dirt cheap and then immediately re-posted the items on the AH at a tremendous profit. And you don't see anything wrong with that??? You are profiting off of someone's generosity ... give your head a shake.

That's what would help me. I see nothing wrong with that since there were no such prior conditions put on such a sale; not a peep about that advertised. If someone wanted folks to follow what they feel their product should be used for, then they shouldn't be selling the articles in that way but use kin chat so folks know that's how someone wanted the articles used. Then I wouldn't have bought them as I resent folks telling me how to use things I OWN. I offered to give them back but someone wanted to debase me to show abased contrition and I refused to bow to their delusions of morality IMPOSED ***AFTER*** THE FACT and I felt were snuck on me from out of the blue. No, ***YOU*** GET A CLUE. I was always helpful in that kin and made a lot of friends I will not forget. The leadership doesn't know how to handle people, even long time friendly kinmates, and SHOULD IMMEDIATELY RESIGN!!! I have never put conditions on what I sold dirt cheap (including HD crafting recipes recently at a loss) in kin- what would help them is MY motto, not imposing usage restrictions with some private values I wish to impose. I certainly didn't monitor for hints on how the items were used; someone is a pretty sad case imo for spending their time doing that and weaseling at me behind the scenes; THAT is immoral. Whatever helps my kinnies is how I look at it. Profit is not evil inherently- it helps me get what I really want in the game right now, economically.

Guess I should have been dishonest and denied I did that like the others who have done the same thing!

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Originally Posted by duttnutt

That's what would help me. I see nothing wrong with that since there were no such prior conditions put on such a sale; not a peep about that advertised. If someone wanted folks to follow what they feel their product should be used for, then they shouldn't be selling the articles in that way but use kin chat so folks know that's how someone wanted the articles used. Then I wouldn't have bought them as I resent folks telling me how to use things I OWN. I offered to give them back but someone wanted to debase me to show abased contrition and I refused to bow to their delusions of morality IMPOSED ***AFTER*** THE FACT and I felt were snuck on me from out of the blue. No, ***YOU*** GET A CLUE. I was always helpful in that kin and made a lot of friends I will not forget. The leadership doesn't know how to handle people, even long time friendly kinmates, and SHOULD IMMEDIATELY RESIGN!!! I have never put conditions on what I sold dirt cheap (including HD crafting recipes recently at a loss) in kin- what would help them is MY motto, not imposing usage restrictions with some private values I wish to impose. I certainly didn't monitor for hints on how the items were used; someone is a pretty sad case imo for spending their time doing that and weaseling at me behind the scenes; THAT is immoral. Whatever helps my kinnies is how I look at it. Profit is not evil inherently- it helps me get what I really want in the game right now, economically.

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Not a Rare Breed member or associate, but wow. It should be totally obvious that things sold at a steep discount (usually the AH posting price) to kinfolk are not for resale, but are put on the AH for those who need them for personal use. I'd have thought it went without saying. Same as items posted in kinchat with "anyone need an XXX". No need to say it isn't intended for resale, it is just plain common sense that you aren't intending to hand out gold. Good for them for having standards...

Perhaps you should find a kin that shares your "values", if any exists? Or start a kin based on them?

Yep, Delgon.

Buy something from kin AH posting, you use it or if you feel the need to get money to purchase an item to help you, ask the kin member who posted it first if it is okay that you resell. Otherwise, you look like the traditional freeloader taking advantage of kinmates. If nobody told you that before it was addressed by your kin, you should be sure that you know it now.

I'm actually kind of surprised that you don't get it yet. How can a kin leave the chests open to someone they know is selling gifts for profit?

Rare Breed is about looking after each other to improve game play, not bank balances.

Hafwen

P.S. A public forum is maybe not the best place to have this conversation. Any decent kin would think twice about recruiting someone who sits on the shady side of an honour code.

I'm trying to raise cash for emerald shards. The idea that its only "moral" if it takes **ME** 1000 sales to buy ONE shard rather 100 sales is Absurd. It's a GAME and folks shouldn't be trying to impose their personal ideas about "obscene profits" on others after the fact. If you want to control what you sell to the extent they want to then they should sell in a way that advertises how they want folks to use their item. Not all share socialistic ideas about what happens in a free market where no such conditions are stated up front. But this absurdity is instructive about those who would consider joining that kin. Do you really want to have to walk on eggshells all the time? I reject the notion I don't have values. I just think you shouldn't be dictating how folks want to get help in the game. I reject the notion that wanting to sell the item to help me get shards is inherently wrong in any way shape or form!

I've given away 5 shards already to kin mates in need. All you needed to do was ask.

Is someone really being "generous" when their attitude is you can only buy this (never mind you don't tell potential buyers that first) if it doesn't help you much? Noper, I'd say that person is the opposite of generous if that is the attitude. TRUE generosity is giving even if it really helps someone a lot! The absurd arguments against how I look at this slay me. If you want to impose socialistic ideas about what is fair, generous or whatever other subjective opinion you have about sales, then you should at least state so up front, not after the fact. Sheesh, this is so ridiculous. MY conscience is clear- I've done absolutely nothing wrong!

Rare Breed is a social kin with a strict 'no drama' policy. We have over 100 players representing over 200 active toons. We keep our kinchests open and use the honor system on them as well as kin auction. The thing is: I have never had to say anything to anybody about this honor system until now. I'm sorry you didn't get it. You should have, you were with the kin for quite a long time.
Does it make you feel better to flame this forum and anyone who will listen about how horrible we are?
Flame on, anyone who knows Rare Breed knows better than the empty statements you are making about us.

I personally try to give more to my kin than I take from it, and have had the honor of leading this kin for 9 months now.
I have the fortune of having an excellent officer base to work beside, and I don't think any of us are going to resign over this any time soon.

Sincerely,

Maegilthalion Lalaithoniel of Meneldor
Leader of Rare Breed

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Originally Posted by duttnutt

Is someone really being "generous" when their attitude is you can only buy this (never mind you don't tell potential buyers that first) if it doesn't help you much? Noper, I'd say that person is the opposite of generous if that is the attitude. TRUE generosity is giving even if it really helps someone a lot! The absurd arguments against how I look at this slay me. If you want to impose socialistic ideas about what is fair, generous or whatever other subjective opinion you have about sales, then you should at least state so up front, not after the fact. Sheesh, this is so ridiculous. MY conscience is clear- I've done absolutely nothing wrong!

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Sounds like you can do what you like, on your own.

I think kins are inherently somewhat socialistic. They are run for mutual benefit, and are not (internally) generally meant to be competitive. If people were moaning about you buying low and selling high on unrestricted (non kin) items I'd be on your side. But if you think vacuuming up cheap items people put in kin auction and selling them is what the sellers would intend or want, well, you have your own special sense of "values" or "what is reasonable" that I'd guess doesn't agree with most folks expectations of kinfolk. It doesn't seem like it agrees with the Rare Breed's leaderships values either. You complain that they didn't make this clear, seems to me like the kind of obvious "rule" that need not even be written down.

If there is stuff in the kin chest, and the policy is "take what you need", sounds like you'd be good scooping it all and selling it on AH, or even vendoring it. After all, you "need" it to get your shards. Why not?

There were no restrictions stated ahead of time. ONLY after the fact of the sale had already occurred. THAT is the TRUTH.

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Originally Posted by duttnutt

There were no restrictions stated ahead of time. ONLY after the fact of the sale had already occurred. THAT is the TRUTH.

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If your goal is to warn others about the perils of this kin, you're not, at least to me, being very successful. I'm not shopping for a kin to join, but if I were the kin's attitude and response to you would be selling points. I'd not want to be in a kin which tolerated folks who had to be told that slurping up stuff posted dirt cheap on the AH to sell for profit is not the behavior expected of kinfolk, much less a kin that tolerated people who made a fuss after having this (IMHO obvious) violation of reasonable behavior pointed out.

You probably aren't doing yourself favors when it comes to shopping for a new kin.

I disagree, there are those who believe in freedom and can recognize bogus self-righteous posturing. I've already got discrete msgs of support but those folks are afraid to speak out. Thats socialimsm for ya. I'm aiming by means I still have available to explain my self to others who are currently being screened from having access to my side of the story. Not everyone has a socialistic bent. Socialism isn't not the only morality sheesh. And I hope to spare those who believe in freedom from having to be subject to those who desire to control them AFTER they've unknowingly "Sinned". its really sad some feel the right to ruin old friendships for the sake of their personal economic philosophies in what is after all, JUST A GAME. Sheesh!

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Originally Posted by duttnutt

I disagree, there are those who believe in freedom and can recognize bogus self-righteous posturing. I've already got discrete msgs of support but those folks are afraid to speak out. Thats socialimsm for ya. I'm aiming by means I still have available to explain my self to others who are currently being screened from having access to my side of the story. Not everyone has a socialistic bent. Socialism isn't not the only morality sheesh. And I hope to spare those who believe in freedom from having to be subject to those who desire to control them AFTER they've unknowingly "Sinned". its really sad some feel the right to ruin old friendships for the sake of their personal economic philosophies in what is after all, JUST A GAME. Sheesh!

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I have no liking for socialism in a political context. In my family however we share lots of things, is that "socialism"? I want a kin to be more like a family than a political system. You appear to want a kin to be a dog eat dog "I get mine" association, everyone out for their own personal aggrandizement. Or so you come across to me.

You don't know me. i give stuff away all the time and craft stuff for my friends gratis. Folks are just posturing after the fact and spinning. The original behind the back weasle who complained is actually more selfish than me as i've already explained.

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Originally Posted by duttnutt

You don't know me. i give stuff away all the time and craft stuff for my friends gratis. Folks are just posturing after the fact and spinning. The original behind the back weasle who complained is actually more selfish than me as i've already explained.

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You are correct, I don't know you. Perhaps you are a far better/more mature person than your words and positions make you appear to me. Not that you care (or should care) about my opinion. But apparently that impression is shared by the your (former?) kin.

Again, just going by the words, your position and your description of the incident contrasted with that of the kin and its leadership comes across as a recommendation for the kin to me, which I'd doubt is your intent... Anyway, best of luck finding people compatible with your views.

Wow, you really are delusional. If you would've just admitted your culpability in the matter when it was first brought up, this whole thing would've likely
blown over, but no, you had to double down on dumb. What color is the sky in your world when you think that someone trying to move materials
to other kinnies at nominal costs would be ok with you trying to make a quick buck on his largesse?

And even in this thread, people unrelated to the situation & kin have chimed in to tell you that your actions are unseemly at best, yet still like some Orcish
version of Maya Angelou you 'rise'. Nobody is buying your conspiratorial cries of socialism run amok or are they buying your claims of whispered messages of support
from those too afraid to rock the staus quo. What did you expect was going to happen here? A chorus of the disenfranchised would picket the Rare Breed offices? There aren't any.

Get over yourself. You put your hand in the cookie jar & got caught. If you need to be told that stealing is wrong, you've got bigger issues than your
image in a game. And 'btw' "It's just a game' as a response is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

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"Stealing" bwahaha PULEEEEZE, you're the delusional one just like the kin leaders who are misrepresenting the situation. I admited what I did. And there's NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT I DID- I bought something advertised for the advertised price that didn't say anything about delusions of morality never brought up as a condition of sale. Tin pot despot wannabes are who need to get over themselves. i'm going to be warning about this kin for some time to come so people know to steer clear of the control freaks.

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Originally Posted by Maegilthalion

Rare Breed is a social kin with a strict 'no drama' policy. We have over 100 players representing over 200 active toons. We keep our kinchests open and use the honor system on them as well as kin auction. The thing is: I have never had to say anything to anybody about this honor system until now. I'm sorry you didn't get it. You should have, you were with the kin for quite a long time.
Does it make you feel better to flame this forum and anyone who will listen about how horrible we are?
Flame on, anyone who knows Rare Breed knows better than the empty statements you are making about us.

I personally try to give more to my kin than I take from it, and have had the honor of leading this kin for 9 months now.
I have the fortune of having an excellent officer base to work beside, and I don't think any of us are going to resign over this any time soon.

Sincerely,

Maegilthalion Lalaithoniel of Meneldor
Leader of Rare Breed

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While I agree this guy crossed the line 100 percent , isn't a strict no drama policy broken with all these post on the subject?


Does the strict no drama policy apply to the creep tribe too?:eek:


Ok carry on

Yeah, taking advantage of massively discounted items and generous goodwill for your monetary gain is wrong in all circumstances. Like, that clearly goes without saying, you don't need to specifically write that out. It's unbelievable that someone would think otherwise, you know what you were doing.

This just makes me like Rare Breed if anything

In a contract if you honor the terms of an advertised contract, it is not wrong. I did that, I paid the advertised price and it became MINE to do with as I saw fit. Faux moralities brought up after the sale are utterly BOGUS. If secret terms had been revealed ahead of time I wouldn't have bought. Spinning an after the fact view of what is wrong is a dishonest merely subjective spin of the situation according to no contract advertised. BASIC economic agreements 101. Spinning and lying about business contracts not to the contrary. Folks looking for an honest upfront kin can do better with a kin that makes contract terms clear ahead of time.

Perhaps this kinship is better off now without the disgruntled former member around. I am wondering if they have since stipulated the restrictions regarding kin items posted in the ah. Perhaps on their web site. It all sounds a bit like someone who spills coffee on themselves and sues the establishment because the coffee was too hot. This has been an eye opening read.

An eye opening read is an understatement.

What started as a conversation between an officer and a kin member about something went against the morals and general behavior expected of all of our kinmates turned ugly when this former kin member acknowledged what he did but refused to atone for what they had done and forced the hand the leadership of our family to act.

It is never something that we take lightly, and anyone who truly knows what RB is all about already knows that we go to great lengths to provide an atmosphere where folks are comfortable and know that they won't be taken advantage of without someone speaking up and doing something about it.

I'm glad I took a few days before I responded here as my words would have been much more coarse when the topic came up. Especially in light of the fact that this former mates' entire argument is based on the fact that they see no issue in exploiting the generosity of their in-game family for their own selfish gains.

Have fun and good luck with your new kin duttnutt, but know that your actions and presence will not be missed among our ranks. I fully expect that my sentiments are widely shared, not only across Meneldor but across the entire LOTRO community.

- Clint M
Rare Breed ~ Meneldor

Or you guys could have not responded and given him the time of day plus display your kin business to the general public which we didnt need to know about.

Sometimes saying nothing at all is bigger then saying something.

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An eye opening read is an understatement.

What started as a conversation between an officer and a kin member about something went against the morals and general behavior expected of all of our kinmates turned ugly when this former kin member acknowledged what he did but refused to atone for what they had done and forced the hand the leadership of our family to act.

It is never something that we take lightly, and anyone who truly knows what RB is all about already knows that we go to great lengths to provide an atmosphere where folks are comfortable and know that they won't be taken advantage of without someone speaking up and doing something about it.

I'm glad I took a few days before I responded here as my words would have been much more coarse when the topic came up. Especially in light of the fact that this former mates' entire argument is based on the fact that they see no issue in exploiting the generosity of their in-game family for their own selfish gains.

Have fun and good luck with your new kin duttnutt, but know that your actions and presence will not be missed among our ranks. I fully expect that my sentiments are widely shared, not only across Meneldor but across the entire LOTRO community.

- Clint M
Rare Breed ~ Meneldor

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For what its worth, thanks. Since reading this post I have amended my own kinship's charter:

"...Members should place other Members of this Kinship above the wants and needs of others outside of it. This is more a matter of practicality than it is about allegiance, and can be ensured by limiting the extension of benefits offered to non-members to within reason (i.e. as representatives of the Kinship offering symbolic gestures to newfound non-member friends, or in assisting alt characters on rare occasions and under certain circumstances).

Items in any Kinship housing properties are for Members only, and if items are placed in the Auction House and made available only to Kinship Members they are not to be purchased and then reposted or used to supply any character outside of the Kinship."

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Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL

Sometimes saying nothing at all is bigger then saying something.

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True. There is, however, some irony in this statement being prefaced by your opening remarks..

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Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL

Or you guys could have not responded and given him the time of day plus display your kin business to the general public which we didnt need to know about.

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Originally Posted by Breeon

True. There is, however, some irony in this statement being prefaced by your opening remarks..

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1. Im not in their kin

2. Since im not in the kin i was referring to this"Rare Breed is a social kin with a strict 'no drama' policy"

3. a strict no drama policy which im my eyes mean no forum drama

4. Hence the comment if you say nothing at all it pretty much means its goes away and is drama free


The guy was wrong no if , ands or buts all i was doing was commenting on the policy


Love me:cool:

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Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL

1. Im not in their kin

2. Since im not in the kin i was referring to this"Rare Breed is a social kin with a strict 'no drama' policy"

3. a strict no drama policy which im my eyes mean no forum drama

4. Hence the comment if you say nothing at all it pretty much means its goes away and is drama free


The guy was wrong no if , ands or buts all i was doing was commenting on the policy


Love me:cool:

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Hello LegendofAll,

I do not think that the intent of anyone from Rare Breed that has responded was to create drama; nor do I think that they have. What they have done is defend their position from a person that decided to post on a Kin Recruitment page their "bad experience" with our kin. Since we are not moderators of this forum we cannot simply delete the post and move on. Nor should we leave it posted and not explain our position on the matter as it may affect a person's decision on whether or not to join Rare Breed.

As you have stated, you too feel this person is in the wrong (as do we), and we wanted that clarified.

Sent an appliction form:)

What the Liars refuse to admit themselves is this "sin" was sprung on the disgruntled one after the fact of the sale and they tried to make him grovel in contrition which any self respecting person would refuse to submit to. They've failed to tell the whole truth about this incident from the get go. A selfish weaselly hypocrite cravenly behind the back complained. And their socialist minded leadership didn't do the right thing in response. They are incompetent leaders in dealing with people, especially with a long proven generous kinmate who they stabbed at the behest of a craven back stabbing weasel. The disgruntled one bought the item fair and square as it was advertised for in the AH in an open sale that had no prior conditions imposed nor mentioned in the slightest. TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH GUYS!!! Folks should think twice in joining such a kin with their current leadership. I made a lot of friends there but the three involved are going to pay a price for the unfair way they handeled this. They besmirched their own kins name by how they acted!

Let it go already ... It has been nearly two months. I hope you have found a new kin where you are happy. Move on, we have.

LOL- It's the promulgators of incomplete BS and dissemblers pushing the kin party line of leaders who aren't letting it go for their own publicity purposes sheesh. Yeah so the leadership can continue to have minions who don't know the whole story spout the official party line so they don't have to personally keep dissembling and living with it in not telling the WHOLE story. That does get psychologically wearing for their own delusions of morality. This is spin, not facts of what actually happened in the right order. Folks have to ask themselves if they really want to be part of a kin where the leaders create ex-post facto moralites they spring on you AFTER you do something to placate a selfish newbie who complains. That kind of arbitrary leadership responding in knee-jerk fashion to the complaints of the moment to destroy dozens of friendships over a few pots of white paint is DESPICABLE. But your side will continue this hypocritically with 10x the amt. of posts because you are publicity posturing since most idiots think the side that posts the most must be right and who's right decided on majority of posts.

Can you list your characters names? I want to know who not to ever let in my kin...

Couldn't say Debbie. It's been so long we forget.

However we have enjoyed a surge of new friends lately in the kin and are having a complete blast. Carry on everyone.

Still going strong. If you are new to the server, or just searching for a home ...

http://rarebreed.guildlaunch.com

I find it interesting that everyone that has posted on this thread including Legendofall, find your behavior at best shady. If you were in a kin I was in, I would have booted ya. Just because it wasn't written down does not give you freedom to take advantage of your kinmates in such a way. Every damn person in this game knows the unwritten rule of not reselling stuff you bought from kin only sales. You can go on about "secret" rules and ownership all you want. You knew exactly what you were doing and that it was wrong. You got caught. Suck it up buttercup and move on.

Good, but not quite as entertaining as Griefing's threads.
I'd give it a B/B-. It got a bit dull around the middle.

We have been asked by many where Rare Breed intends to go after the merges start. At this point we are undecided. Since Meneldor will be last to transfer, the landscape of the remaining 4 servers (Brandy is not open at this moment) will change as migrants find new homes.

We have established contacts on the 4 servers and are popping in periodically to get a feel for the World Chat, AH economy, rough population sizes, PvP Action, and more.

Over the coming weeks we will likely have it narrowed down to two servers.