Possible changes to the Reaver Class!

First of all, yes I know turbine doesn’t care about 1vs1(not spars!) balance or balance at all but I’d like to point out some issues I tihink there are concerning reavers.
Reaver(at least high ranked) is one of the strongest /maybe the strongest, monsterclass in 1vs1 fights against most freeps but it’s very sad that most of it’s power in those situations comes from selfhealing which shouldn’t be on a dps class. Against most Freepclasses the fights ends in a healfest even wihtout a healer so I think there are some changes needed in terms of selfhealing on both sides. I’d like to point out some changes I’d like to see on the reaver to be more potent in all situatuions.

• Give reavers a significant dps boost, and please not only a huge buff to Impale and/or Dev strike but a major buff to the low cd skills (Ravage, Sudden Strikes) and the bleed skills to make reavers less dependant on Impale
• Wrath revamp. I always thougth selfhealing on dps classes is a silly thing so I’d like to see Wrath become another dps buff like controlled burn/burn hot which also applies a defeat response
• Remove cd of Sudden Strikes. Mostly for low ranked reavers, they can’t even deal damage the whole time
• Increase icpr and power restoration of time-out to compensate the loss of power restoration of wrath
• Increase Finesse rating on Quick Strikes Trait
• Make enhanced Upper Hand more useful by extending the duration of the armour buff also
• Increase range of melee skills to 4.2m. Its very frustrating if melee freeps can kite you and deal dmg while you can't reach them with most of your skills.
• A more cosmetic change I would appreciate: change animation of Sudden Stikes back to the old one (pre ror) and make it hit harder due to a bit longer animation. I don’t like the current animation, it doesn’t look like a strike.

That are a few changes I would appreciate. So lesser/no selfhealing but more damage, i guess that should work well especially in group/raid fights.

you don't even depend on impale anymore. it hits like a wet noodle.

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Originally Posted by Undertakerxx

you don't even depend on impale anymore. it hits like a wet noodle.

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yea, it hits like a wet noodle. but if you want burst from a reaver, its coming from impale. thats about all they can do.

I like to see Upper Hand be a -Evade Rating effect rather than -Block Rating, that way its more viable against all classes and not just ones with shield/yellow cappies. Other than that, I think Reavers are fine where they are.

Well I don't like the fact that I can easily reach 1.2k hps just by using wrath on cd, and thats on a dps class while the dmg is way to low (especially in group/raid fights) to take down freeps with 35-55k Morale. I had several fights against mini/guard/beorning/lm/rk and I wasn't able to take them down while they weren't able to kill me most of the time. Even if one of us died it took at least 3mins. I mean its a good thing that fights lasts longer than 10s but 3+ mins for one fight are a bit too much I would say.

I group fights its even worse. Wrath doesn't matter that much in group/raid fights and the dmg is way to low(ofc not only on reaver) to take down healers with 45k+ morale.

My intention about the listed changes was to make reaver a real dps class and not such a tanky monster.

I even did more damage to freeps on level 95 (before U13 and freep mits nerf) then I do now but the difference now is that the morale pool of the freeps is doubled.

Even after the buff we got on 16.2(lol) I still hit heavy armored freeps for less than 1k average hits with 6 masteries slotted.Bleed ticks are even worse with them averaging less than half of the tooltip value.I agree that we need a big DPS boost on other skills even if that comes to a cost of reducing possible damage from Impale.

I guess one can argue that Reavers have very high mitigations and a good amount of self heals but that only results to boring fights if you have to grind out and rely on your heals because you hit like a wet noodle:P
With the new Audacity Essence Armor freeps acquired with this update EVEN Impale hits really bad on a freep that has a clue and doesn't run around with 0% critical defense.

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Originally Posted by Rognomli

I guess one can argue that Reavers have very high mitigations and a good amount of self heals but that only results to boring fights if you have to grind out and rely on your heals because you hit like a wet noodle:P

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That's exactly the point. Reaver isn't that bad in terms of 1vs1 but the fights are really boring and the strength isn't dps but the heals and in my eyes that's a failure when a dps class gets his power from heals.

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Originally Posted by Rognomli

Even after the buff we got on 16.2(lol) I still hit heavy armored freeps for less than 1k average hits with 6 masteries slotted.Bleed ticks are even worse with them averaging less than half of the tooltip value.I agree that we need a big DPS boost on other skills even if that comes to a cost of reducing possible damage from Impale.

I guess one can argue that Reavers have very high mitigations and a good amount of self heals but that only results to boring fights if you have to grind out and rely on your heals because you hit like a wet noodle:P
With the new Audacity Essence Armor freeps acquired with this update EVEN Impale hits really bad on a freep that has a clue and doesn't run around with 0% critical defense.

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I'll save myself the trouble now and just take it off my action bar if you want to further make impale even more useless for more sustained damage(buffing the sustained damage and buffing impale damage would not cause any unbalance at all). the old audacity sets had about 50% cit defense by wearing sets of 2 and this one new one has about 60% when wearing the full set. what makes you think impale was going to get any better?

I agree it wouldn't cause any imbalances,but in the eyes of Turbine Impale is an OP skill so I highly doubt they would want to rollback it's potency to where it was before.Now more than ever that any decent freep has capped Orc-Craft mitigations the need for Impale to bypass mitigations like it used to is very evident.But not complaining to be honest as Impale is still the go to skill if you want to kill a good Freep.

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Originally Posted by Rognomli

I agree it wouldn't cause any imbalances,but in the eyes of Turbine Impale is an OP skill so I highly doubt they would want to rollback it's potency to where it was before.Now more than ever that any decent freep has capped Orc-Craft mitigations the need for Impale to bypass mitigations like it used to is very evident.But not complaining to be honest as Impale is still the go to skill if you want to kill a good Freep.

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it is but it hits guards and wardens and champs very, very weak.

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Originally Posted by Undertakerxx

it is but it hits guards and wardens and champs very, very weak.

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Thats true, but thats not only the problem with impale but with all other skills. Dev strike once was a finishing skill now it does next to no damage compare to what it does ages ago.

after some 1v1s and group play in the new update i gotta say reavers are pretty well balanced... if not a bit OP
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Originally Posted by galrodan

after some 1v1s and group play in the new update i gotta say reavers are pretty well balanced... if not a bit OP

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Well maybe they are balanced in 1vs1 I will not deny that. But the way they are balanced is not the right one in my opinion. I mean a dps class which has a higher hps than dps? I would say there is something wrong.

And that reavers are OP I do deny. The only class which has no chance against a good reaver is hunter. All other classes have a chance.

Improve dps while lower hps wouldn cause any issues in 1vs1 while they would push reavers potency in group/raid fights.

As a Full time reaver this is what i got.
First of all, I dont want any of the reaver healing skills to be nerfed unless guardian/warden healing skills will get a nerf.
Increase the DPS of the reaver overall, and not only impale. Because at Raids, we are pretty not doing anythinng, our DPS Does nothing.
in 1v1 its pretty fair, even without impale or any healing skills

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Originally Posted by zolander

First of all, I dont want any of the reaver healing skills to be nerfed unless guardian/warden healing skills will get a nerf.

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Well just because other classes are over the top in terms of selfhealing other classes must not. Reaver was much more fun without those silly selfheal even if you weren't able to beat every class.

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Originally Posted by zolander

Increase the DPS of the reaver overall, and not only impale. Because at Raids, we are pretty not doing anythinng, our DPS Does nothing.

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Thats it, but to be honest its not only an issue with reavers dps. But reavers are more potent in a 1vs1 situation due to exaggerated selfheal thats why I think a nerf in heals is necessary when dps will be increased.

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Originally Posted by zolander

in 1v1 its pretty fair, even without impale or any healing skills

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Without Impale or healing skills you won't win anything against a good equiped and well played freep which doesn't limits himself.

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Originally Posted by Alcatrazz

Thats it, but to be honest its not only an issue with reavers dps. But reavers are more potent in a 1vs1 situation due to exaggerated selfheal thats why I think a nerf in heals is necessary when dps will be increased.

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the only classes that your healing makes a difference on his hunters and loremasters. every other class looks at your healing and laughs as they melt you away.

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Without Impale or healing skills you won't win anything against a good equiped and well played freep which doesn't limits himself.

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hunters are about your only good chance if they don't limit themselves. champions you have no chance what so ever when abusing champion's duel and fight on. same goes for guard and warden.

Reavers are in a fine position if certain freep class imbalances are addressed. The only changes they need are making Wrath spam less possible with a nerf to Improved Sudden Strikes, and a buff to Devastating Strike OR make Impale pass through mitigations (not quite to its old degree, but somewhere in between).

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Originally Posted by Spilo

Reavers are in a fine position if certain freep class imbalances are addressed.

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So certain means almost every freep class? Guard/Ward/Mini/RK/Beorning/LM (all while traited for dmg), all these classes can outheal creeps dps in 1vs1 if they want to and even champs can do that ( depend on the reset of fight on and how much they are kiting)

But let us ignore 1vs1, then still healing is the problem. So till turben will not nerf freep healing, monsters dps need a huge boost. A boost in dmg without any other nerfs to reaver would be too much I agree.

Ofc I'm talking about well played and good equiped freeps. Means at least 35k morale and not some squishy freeps with 20-25k morale.

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Originally Posted by Spilo

... and a buff to Devastating Strike OR make Impale pass through mitigations (not quite to its old degree, but somewhere in between).

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Only buffing dev strike wouldn't help reavers next to nothing in case of their potency in both, group and solo fights. You first need enougth dmg to take down the enemy to 50% life. And making reavers more dependant on Impale again is a bad decision in my opinion. Reaver (and all other monster dps'ers) need more overall dmg.

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Originally Posted by Alcatrazz

And that reavers are OP I do deny. The only class which has no chance against a good reaver is hunter.

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I disagree with this. Yellow line hunters can dominate, and that's not even considering the new audacity gear. Seeing the new imbued legacies with the new audacity gear, I'm gonna try my hand at my hunter again and I think I could do well out there in blue/red hybrid.

I don't think so. Reavers get stun and root immunity with their charge... and afterwards are in melee range.

Reavers for me just need 2 tweaks

* Increase wrath CD, so we have less overall healing.
* Increase base damage

The problem we have is every freep class except burg and hunter can outheal our dps. This is the biggest problem in pvp, freep healing is massively OP.

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Originally Posted by joshy8910

I disagree with this. Yellow line hunters can dominate, and that's not even considering the new audacity gear. Seeing the new imbued legacies with the new audacity gear, I'm gonna try my hand at my hunter again and I think I could do well out there in blue/red hybrid.

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In the past a good yellow line hunter could beat a reaver however with the recent pot changes I think this maybe a lot harder now.

I've spent some time thinking of ways to improve Reaver's raid functionality, but not make it overpowered in 1 vs 1s. Just some thoughts to throw out there.
This is with the mindset that the reaver is meant to be an overall nuisance that gets in people's faces and is difficult to slow down.

Give/modify the a reaver skill that creates a 5-8 m aura around the reaver, that inflicts a 10% positional incoming damage debuff (vulnerable to attacks from behind.) Maybe modify Blood of Fire for this (cause its still laughably useless.)

Resilience: Make the base skill already give the 5 seconds of CC immunity (that being said, I've never seen the enhanced trait actually provide the immunity.)
But then change the enhanced trait to only give movement immunity (slows and roots), but at a much lower cool down and a high power cost.

Time-Out: provide a Finesse buff instead of power.

Allow Dying Rage to be triggered at 50% morale, instead of 15%. As of now, Dying Rage is only useful in 1 vs 1s and is nothing more than a cheap trick, and completely useless in raids, though it could have some utility if useable a bit earlier. Though I imagine it could be abused, with multiple reavers popping it to take down a single enemy and then getting WL rezzed. But still free infamy for the freeps right?
(Still useless for defilers though.)

I could be wrong about this, but Devastating Strike's IncHeal debuff seems to be almost always dispelled during raid battles. So in order to reduce its 1 vs 1 potency, but make it raid viable, make it completely undispellable but give it a much shorter duration, maybe 6 seconds.

And I think it'd be neat if there was an AOE skill that reduced overall enemy damage output for 10 m, but increased your incoming damage from affected targets.

Just some thoughts, and I by no means think they should all be implemented at the same time, but it'd mix things around a bit.

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Originally Posted by InsaneChaos

Give/modify the a reaver skill that creates a 5-8 m aura around the reaver, that inflicts a 10% positional incoming damage debuff (vulnerable to attacks from behind.) Maybe modify Blood of Fire for this (cause its still laughably useless.)

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That is something I wouldn't give to reavers but rather to WLs aura. But honestly I think thats not necessary.

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Originally Posted by InsaneChaos

Resilience: Make the base skill already give the 5 seconds of CC immunity (that being said, I've never seen the enhanced trait actually provide the immunity.)
But then change the enhanced trait to only give movement immunity (slows and roots), but at a much lower cool down and a high power cost.

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Sounds good to me in RvsR/GvsG Situations but I thing it may be a bit to powerful in 1vs1 if the CD/Duration is no balanced well.

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Originally Posted by InsaneChaos

Time-Out: provide a Finesse buff instead of power.

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I would like to see a finesse buff to bloodlust rather than time out. I would prefer an increased icpr and power restoration to time out to compensate the -20% from audacity.


I wouldn't make to much changes to the reaver class. In general I like reaver how it is, just to much healing and to less damage. That doesn't need big changes to solve the issues.

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Originally Posted by LegendOfKamikazee

In the past a good yellow line hunter could beat a reaver however with the recent pot changes I think this maybe a lot harder now.

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For the hunter? On the contrary I think. New audacity gear, imbued legendaries, etc. Gives room for a lot of customization for builds. I think hunter may be more powerful than ever in yellow line. That being said, I plan to go out on my hunter again soon enough, but I'm going to be in a blue line/red line hybrid. Personally though, if as a player they are using heal pots in 1v1s, then they must not be that good.

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Originally Posted by Alcatrazz

• Give reavers a significant dps boost, and please not only a huge buff to Impale and/or Dev strike but a major buff to the low cd skills (Ravage, Sudden Strikes) and the bleed skills to make reavers less dependant on Impale
• Wrath revamp. I always thougth selfhealing on dps classes is a silly thing so I’d like to see Wrath become another dps buff like controlled burn/burn hot which also applies a defeat response
• Remove cd of Sudden Strikes. Mostly for low ranked reavers, they can’t even deal damage the whole time
• Increase icpr and power restoration of time-out to compensate the loss of power restoration of wrath
• Increase Finesse rating on Quick Strikes Trait
• Make enhanced Upper Hand more useful by extending the duration of the armour buff also
• Increase range of melee skills to 4.2m. Its very frustrating if melee freeps can kite you and deal dmg while you can't reach them with most of your skills.
• A more cosmetic change I would appreciate: change animation of Sudden Stikes back to the old one (pre ror) and make it hit harder due to a bit longer animation. I don’t like the current animation, it doesn’t look like a strike.

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Sounds great to me. I'd like to see this changes.

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Originally Posted by Alcatrazz

• Increase range of melee skills to 4.2m. Its very frustrating if melee freeps can kite you and deal dmg while you can't reach them with most of your skills.

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Maybe add this to extended reach trait.

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Originally Posted by Undertakerxx

you don't even depend on impale anymore. it hits like a wet noodle.

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I agree Impale doesn't hit that hard anymore, but its still the strongest damageskill of reavers and if CA gives correct information its mostly the highest dealt amount of damage.

How about blood of fire instead reflects an effect?

Blood of Fire:
On any damage (excluding dots), 50% chance to reflect a stacking effect: Orcish vengeance.
+3% positional damage modifier, stacks up to 5 times.

This wouldn't make reavers (or defilers) any stronger during 1 vs 1s, but would give them some raid functionality.

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UpperHand: by default apply the BPE debuff.
Enhanced Trait: remove the armor buff but turn the BPE debuff into an AOE.


I also think it would be neat to see a skill that causes ALL reaver attacks to ignore a percentage of foe's mitigations for a limited time, but have the skill modeled after Burg's Cash-out or Warden's Recklessness, ie. inflict a debuff on the reaver during duration OR only if the target survives after the duration.

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Originally Posted by InsaneChaos

How about blood of fire instead reflects an effect?

Blood of Fire:
On any damage (excluding dots), 50% chance to reflect a stacking effect: Orcish vengeance.
+3% positional damage modifier, stacks up to 5 times.

I also think it would be neat to see a skill that causes ALL reaver attacks to ignore a percentage of foe's mitigations for a limited time, but have the skill modeled after Burg's Cash-out or Warden's Recklessness, ie. inflict a debuff on the reaver during duration OR only if the target survives after the duration.

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I like the positional damage idea, I don't like it being on Blood of Fire, the 4% reflect is pretty good as is, to kill a reaver through all his CDs right now (1v1s yeah...) a freep has to lose 1/3 of their health pool.. Putting another automatic buff/debuff on a reflect is annoying, the game has too many reflects as is. Maybe something that requires a little bit of though to apply? +15% incoming damage is pretty massive, and having it tier up to 15% on literally every freep that happens to aoe/target a reaver, in a split second, is quite overpowered.

This thread is full of things being addressed that don't need addressing, imo. The only things that need changing for reaver are

1. Buff devastating strike and/or make impale pass through a slightly greater percentage of mitigations.
2. A buff to Severing Strike damage.
3. Fix Resilience, for crying out loud.
4. Nerf improved Sudden Strikes.

And that's really it. Creeps overall could use a flat 5% damage boost, but Reavers are not in a bad position at all. Freep heals are, of course, over-powered, but that's an issue that needs addressing separately.

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Give reavers a significant dps boost, and please not only a huge buff to Impale and/or Dev strike but a major buff to the low cd skills (Ravage, Sudden Strikes) and the bleed skills to make reavers less dependant on Impale

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Not to pick on the OP, but this is totally unnecessary. A huge buff to Impale, a huge buff to Dev strike, and a major buff to every other damaging skill. Seems legit. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Originally Posted by Spilo

And that's really it. Creeps overall could use a flat 5% damage boost, but Reavers are not in a bad position at all. Freep heals are, of course, over-powered, but that's an issue that needs addressing separately.

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I never said that reavers are in a bad spot, but I said the strength comes frome heals, not dmg and thats a drawback on a class titeld as DamageDealer. In some other threads I said that freep heals need a nerf too, I'm totally with you but I guess turbine won't nerf it at least not till a new level cap.

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Originally Posted by Spilo

A huge buff to Impale, a huge buff to Dev strike, and a major buff to every other damaging skill. Seems legit. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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And exactly that would a bad "improvement" in my eyes. I know many Reavers including me that hate that fu***ing dependance on a single dmg skill. Many Reavers left the game or changed the class when RoR and impale were released due to the fact that reaver is just a "Impaler". I would rather see Impale removed/nerfed into the ground and get a huge buff to all the other dmg skills. I miss the times where you could deal meaningful dmg all the time and not just every 20sec. Even if freep heals get a nerf it would be an appreciated change to make ravage/ss stronger damage skills.

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Originally Posted by Alcatrazz

I never said that reavers are in a bad spot, but I said the strength comes frome heals, not dmg and thats a drawback on a class titeld as DamageDealer. In some other threads I said that freep heals need a nerf too, I'm totally with you but I guess turbine won't nerf it at least not till a new level cap.


And exactly that would a bad "improvement" in my eyes. I know many Reavers including me that hate that fu***ing dependance on a single dmg skill. Many Reavers left the game or changed the class when RoR and impale were released due to the fact that reaver is just a "Impaler". I would rather see Impale removed/nerfed into the ground and get a huge buff to all the other dmg skills. I miss the times where you could deal meaningful dmg all the time and not just every 20sec. Even if freep heals get a nerf it would be an appreciated change to make ravage/ss stronger damage skills.

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I think reavers are in a tricky spot. Wargs and Blackarrows are, for the most part, kings of single target DPS with a few other important roles. Spiders CC and Debuff along with Damage. Reavers don't have a lot to bring to that table outside of their relative tankiness in comparison to Wargs, Blackarrows, and (after the mitigations nerf) Spiders. I think Turbine's justification for Impale was that Reavers didn't have a clear raid position, and at least with Impale they can be classified as a "Burst" DPS class. That being said, I think the whole idea of everything has to have a role in raids is over-played- I'd rather see Turbine address individual class balance than worrying about each class having a role.

I really do enjoy the Reaver class, only other creep class besides Warg that I find entertaining. I would love for it to become less impale-dependent.

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Originally Posted by Spilo

I think reavers are in a tricky spot. Wargs and Blackarrows are, for the most part, kings of single target DPS with a few other important roles. Spiders CC and Debuff along with Damage. Reavers don't have a lot to bring to that table outside of their relative tankiness in comparison to Wargs, Blackarrows, and (after the mitigations nerf) Spiders. I think Turbine's justification for Impale was that Reavers didn't have a clear raid position, and at least with Impale they can be classified as a "Burst" DPS class. That being said, I think the whole idea of everything has to have a role in raids is over-played- I'd rather see Turbine address individual class balance than worrying about each class having a role.

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But reavers had a role ages ago and that without impale.
I would see that reaver become a real "Burst-DPS-Class" like it once was, and not a "Burst-every-20sec-Class" like its now. I mean I do not request to buff reavers dmg without any adjustments or nerfs to other things. I just would like to see it that reaver gets his power from dps and noch from heals.
I believe it would help lotro pvmp much if selfhealing gets a huge nerf or better remove it completely. Never seen a really good explanation why almost every class need such a huge amount of selfhealing.

Want to bring up this thread again, since I still like most of the suggestion here.

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Originally Posted by Alcatrazz

But reavers had a role ages ago and that without impale.
I would see that reaver become a real "Burst-DPS-Class" like it once was, and not a "Burst-every-20sec-Class" like its now. I mean I do not request to buff reavers dmg without any adjustments or nerfs to other things. I just would like to see it that reaver gets his power from dps and noch from heals.
I believe it would help lotro pvmp much if selfhealing gets a huge nerf or better remove it completely. Never seen a really good explanation why almost every class need such a huge amount of selfhealing.

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Totally agree with this statement.


There are still problems with the reaver class in terms of dps. If I compare the dps of my r12 Warg with that what my r13 Reaver (and maybe BA too) can deal its just a too big gap between dps classes. I know Warg is the glass cannon class, but it has viable CC options and even a second role with flayer while reavers have almost nothing but dps to bring into a group. So change Wrath like in the opening post while boosting dps would be much better for the classes role.

Maybe reworking the relentless buff would help too since reavers are extremly hard to bring down when they are at full morale, but if their morale drops down they come really close to what wargs are. The dps buff is nice but pretty useless in gvg/rvr fights but exactly there is the problem with reaver dps. I my opinion it would be better to remove the variable relentless buff and just give reaver a +10% mits and skill damage as a passive.

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Originally Posted by Alcatrazz

But reavers had a role ages ago and that without impale.
I would see that reaver become a real "Burst-DPS-Class" like it once was, and not a "Burst-every-20sec-Class" like its now. I mean I do not request to buff reavers dmg without any adjustments or nerfs to other things. I just would like to see it that reaver gets his power from dps and noch from heals.
I believe it would help lotro pvmp much if selfhealing gets a huge nerf or better remove it completely. Never seen a really good explanation why almost every class need such a huge amount of selfhealing.

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Before reavers were a 20 second CD burst damage class (impale), they were just a 30 second cooldown burst damage class (Dev strike).

Really, their sustained DPS has only been good in a handful of updates.

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Originally Posted by Sezneg

Before reavers were a 20 second CD burst damage class (impale), they were just a 30 second cooldown burst damage class (Dev strike).

Really, their sustained DPS has only been good in a handful of updates.

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Before Impale came reavers dps was ok even without DS but since Impale was introduced the rest fo the skills never got a decent dps increase and sustaindes dps was gone. Thrash, Mutilate, both are a bad joke, they do nothing besides their bleed for impale. Ravage is even worse than SS since it got their update. Severing Strike, Serration....totally useless. Ok serration at least helps in keeps to remove npc's.

What I want to say, before Impale sustained dps mostly came from 3 skills (SS, Ravage, Lacerate) which had a low cd and they were properly scaled... more or less, remember RoI wasn't one of the good period. Now every skill that deals a good amount of dmg is on a longer cd while other classes, named stalker and weaver, still have their main dps skills on a low cd and for this reason they can deal much more dps than reavers can do.

I can't remember what every single updated looked like, but I do remember that there had never been such huge gap between reaver sustained dps and wargs/spiders (maybe RoI after warg boost).

Although Reavers dps can reach the same value of wargs in groupfights due to "AOE" but since freeps don't even recognize this AOE thats just "Fake Numbers".

But as I already wrote, I don't want increased dps without any other nerfs, but I want to feel like a dps class again which reaver should be.

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Give reavers a significant dps boost, and please not only a huge buff to Impale and/or Dev strike but a major buff to the low cd skills (Ravage, Sudden Strikes) and the bleed skills to make reavers less dependant on Impale
Wrath revamp. I always thougth selfhealing on dps classes is a silly thing so I’d like to see Wrath become another dps buff like controlled burn/burn hot which also applies a defeat response

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I don't necessarily think impale is the way to go, it's okay at best but only really great when used in tandem with a few other skills. Reavers could use a boost in the AOE damage department, as it's currently not even a little bit threatening to have a reaver in the midst of a group that can be either easily ignored or debuffed into worthlessness. And as the partial change stands this is even moreso true.

Rather than putting all the cards in that basket their base melee range and base AoE damage could use a strong nudge, since they already have pretty potent debuffs, survibability and passable ST damage.

That and I've always wanted the option to swap to 2h weapons and deal far more damage at the expense of max morale and armor possibly.

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Originally Posted by Thorandril

I don't necessarily think impale is the way to go, it's okay at best but only really great when used in tandem with a few other skills. Reavers could use a boost in the AOE damage department, as it's currently not even a little bit threatening to have a reaver in the midst of a group that can be either easily ignored or debuffed into worthlessness. And as the partial change stands this is even moreso true.

Rather than putting all the cards in that basket their base melee range and base AoE damage could use a strong nudge, since they already have pretty potent debuffs, survibability and passable ST damage.

That and I've always wanted the option to swap to 2h weapons and deal far more damage at the expense of max morale and armor possibly.

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Having -avoidance rating attached to far reach should help out. I don't see why they don't add in ST focused traits; similar to weaver pets, you could trait for one of ST or AoE.

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Originally Posted by Constrictions

Having -avoidance rating attached to far reach should help out. I don't see why they don't add in ST focused traits; similar to weaver pets, you could trait for one of ST or AoE.

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ideally, sure. However that's a small step and having -avoidance attached to far reach would make it so the ineffective AoE's hit, but still don't really do much damage. The only effect that addition would have is making it a little easier to land high impales.

As it stands all physical damage based classes should have a way of acquiring penetration, because otherwise this recent change is simply an across the board nerf to non-tacticals which this game and company are famous for.

As well as this low-average ranked reavers bring almost nothing really to the table lol.

For me the Reaver needs a straightforward damage and finesse increase, Wrath can stay where it is or have somewhat increased cooldown and Severing Strike could have an effect attached to it (either some kind of debuff for the enemy or buff the next reaver attack for example). Simple enough and would be relevant to Reavers of all ranks, as right now only after r10 do they start to "sting".

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Originally Posted by Despotis

For me the Reaver needs a straightforward damage and finesse increase, Wrath can stay where it is or have somewhat increased cooldown and Severing Strike could have an effect attached to it (either some kind of debuff for the enemy or buff the next reaver attack for example). Simple enough and would be relevant to Reavers of all ranks, as right now only after r10 do they start to "sting".

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Reaver needs more dps to be a useful dps class in groups but I guess it would make reavers op if you do not bring down wrath. Atm you can stay alive against almost every freep class, but you also cannot kill most of them due to big difference in reaver dps and freep selfheal. Buffing dps without healing nerf would make a second warden.

Its been a while for me - just returning to LOTRO. Wondering if the -10%Attack Duration Buff was fixed now? It used to be that the -10% trait for attack duration would make reaver attacks slower, not faster. Haven't tested it yet but wondering if fixed now.

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Originally Posted by FerPac

Its been a while for me - just returning to LOTRO. Wondering if the -10%Attack Duration Buff was fixed now? It used to be that the -10% trait for attack duration would make reaver attacks slower, not faster. Haven't tested it yet but wondering if fixed now.

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It's fixed.