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There's a typo in the part summarizing the 2 Kinship house types. One says 36 exterior hooks, the other says 63 exterior hooks. I assume the 36 is correct?
The reason it looks like a typo is because it states "it, too, has 180 interior decoration hooks and 63 exterior decoration hooks."
I really appreciate the Devs taking the time to write these diaries to give us insight to the tremendous work they do for us to have more fun in the game. Thank you!!!
Thanks Cordovan.
The Dev Diary says:
House Prices on the Cape of Belfalas:
- Stately Houses are available for 145 Mithril Coins
- Luxurious Houses are available for 445 Mithril Coins.
- Deluxe Kinship Houses are available for 745 Mithril Coins.
As there are different prices for houses within each category, that might be seen as misleading. A better wording might be:
House Prices on the Cape of Belfalas:
- Stately Houses are available from 145 Mithril Coins
- Luxurious Houses are available from 445 Mithril Coins.
- Deluxe Kinship Houses are available from 745 Mithril Coins.
Yep I'm nitpicking, but you know your players ;)
Having a look at the MC prices for premium housing, I would again suggest to rethink store prices and/or TP and MC package sizes.
A premium house requires to go through 2 different store currencies, each of them offering discounts for larger packages - and none of these packages matching the actual cost.
The way the current TP/MC packages are designed, we have an overhead of 30-50% of unused TP/MC if discounted packages are used and a large cost overhead if matching packages are bought.
The same is true for quest packs. The price of 795 TP is completely disconnected from the available TP packages of 600TP or 1600TP.
The choice is 600TP (75% bought, 25% farm), 1200TP (150% bought at exaggerated price) or 1600TP (200% bought at normal price).
The regular approach I see in most stores is to get discounts if I buy more than the average need of a customer. If I want one bottle of water, I can buy one or buy 6 at a cheaper price.
In LOTRO I can buy shop coupons for half a bottle of water (which is not sold), 2 bottles of water, but there is no way to buy one bottle.
As a customer I feel ripped off, as the choice of spending more than I need is taken from me. Either I get nothing (as e.g. 600TP won't buy a quest pack) or more than needed.
I want to be tempted to buy more, not forced. If I am forced, chances are good I do not buy anything at all.
IMO every sale with TP numbers larger than 600 ($7.99 in the store) should be available for direct real money checkout, with discounts for higher numbers.
EDIT: a video for illustration: Scene from "Father of the bride". Of course this also shows that flipping out is not necessary, but still one can ask the questions that come to mind. Why do we have 8 hot dogs and 12 hot dog buns?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYIHLUxzRr8
Vnice, wasnt expecting a housing revamp in this update and even more like this :O *clap*
... just sad that may have to say goodbye to our bree kinship house, been almost 8 years :(
Very nice addition, this 'Developers Speak' section! Interesting to read that a zone was already in the works but dismissed for the time being. Makes you wonder what other parts of Middle Earth were already under construction but haven't seen the light of day yet?
No Mecaza. Tested this in open beta. Level 85 is the minimum "safe" level to enter the region, but the housing area is safe so you can travel to Premium House or Deluxe Kinship house safely at any level. That's why there's a Cape of Belfalas housing broker by the Boar Fountain in Bree.
Just a warning though: if you are not level 85 or above and step through one of the two entrances to the Cape of Belfalas, you will be in a danger zone where even the neutrals will attack you and aggro range is increased enormously so be prepared to die! (As the two stable horses for Dol Amroth and Minas Tirith are outside the gate, you need to be nifty if you wanted to use one of them! :D )
One question I have NOT found answered yet is whether characters on accounts which have not purchased the Helm's Deep expansion are going to be allowed to travel to a Deluxe kinship house. Also are accounts without the expansion allowed to buy the houses as there is a broker available to them in Bree? I guess we'll have to wait for the update to find out as Cordovan is probably very busy right now!
Sorry if I missed this answer somewhere else, but what happens to kinship house purchased storage if we abandoned the house? I am interested in a Premium kin house but we have almost max storage unlocked on our current kin house. Do we lose that storage if we abandon that house to buy the premium one?
There is an issue with the new Premium Housing system that causes you to sometimes enter your own house as a visitor, like you would if the house was up for sale.
All decorations are gone, and you cannot toggle decoration mode.
Relogging the same character does not help, but relogging to another character seems to fix it, at least temporarily. So it seems decorations are not lost, just sometimes travels to the void and you temporarily get evicted from your own house. Outside decorations did not seem to be affected.
Issue was bugged.
[Edit: Seems relogging does nothing, so it looks very random when it happens.]
Are you referring to the Paths of the Dead instakill unless the epics are done? That is free content isn't it?
I think traveling to/from places after PotD is available for everyone if they are willing to spend MC to swift.
Anyway, premium housing is available for everyone. :)
Storage is shared between your classic and premium housing. As far as I am aware, if you abandon your classic house or get foreclosed on, you still get that space back when you buy a new classic house. I would assume, since the storage space is shared between them, that it is the same for premium.
Yes I got my answer on the Facebook. Your new premium house will have the same number of kin chest slot as the former one :)
I explored the new houses today and they are nice, but feel a bit sterile. Or it might just be that's how the style of the architecture feels to me. To me the classic housing feels cozier, I just wish it had the big yards, more hooks, and the nicer views that premium housing has.
Would there be any consideration of adding other locations/architecture styles of premium housing? Or maybe a revamp of the classic housing?
I asked this on the live stream. I would love to see new area for both
Classic could include
- Moria
- Forochel / Misty Mountains (snow areas)
- Rohan / Great River
Premium Could Include
- Lothlorien
- Mirkwood
- Dunland
- Trollshaws
- Erebor
I suggested these as areas ages ago but still have hopes especially for the lothlorien housing (would love a flet in the woods)
Is it true that there is no added storage when buying a Premium house? I have max slots on my regular house, so buying premium only gives me yard and interior slots to use???
There seems to be no way for a kinship to pool resources to buy a premium kinhall. That's unfortunate.
Also, the island kinhalls all sold out in less than a day. Not plopping down my ~$50 for a kinhall until you open more neighborhoods, or make the hook counts comparable on the other kinhalls!
EDIT: They added more of the good kinhalls and we got one! Yay! Though the way the store is structured it was an $80 total purchase with some TP and MC left over. grumblegrumble. And the only way for kinnies to pitch in was to spend $20 each for a slice of the TP. grumble.
I would like to see a means for a kinship to move en-mass to a single homestead, not this same ad hoc approach.
I've read people saying that only kinship members can visit kinship halls, is that true? And likewise that only premium players can visit personal homes, is that true?
I also continue to hate this MC ####. I'd like a simple direct means to purchase this blasted sub-currency without the go-between, I've never understood MC personally.
Just logged on to look into this new housing. I am really liking the size of the new buildings but unfortunately all the island kinship houses are sold out on my server. I have the money to spend on a new kin house but when I'm spending actual $'s I want to be able to buy the house of my choice. I'll be holding off for now until more neighbourhoods are available or more islands are added to each neighbourhood.
This is not a complaint, just something I'm curious about.
Over the months, I collected the various Gondorian craft benches and had them set up in and around my deluxe classic house as I love having crafting alts and go gathering etc when I want to chill. I bought a premium house in Belfalas, but it seems the actual housing area is ALSO a level 90 area. I sent my little low level hobbit farmer to go play in the patch of farmland in my new garden - but he got the "beware" message explaining he was much too low for the area and a warning that any gathering would be greatly slowed down.
Sure enough, he sowed 4 fields as per usual - and it took so long to harvest one field that the other three had expired when he finished!
So now I've quickly bought a classic normal house and the lil hobbit farmer is back in classic hobbit housing, tilling his front garden.
I'm surprised that the inside of the premium housing area is set up as though you're out in the lvl 90 questing areas. I'd assumed it would be some sort of "non-level specific" area.
Would that be due to programming of the whole area in general, and therefore difficult to achieve a different-level housing area that's set in lvl 90 area?
The problem indicated is inherent to the area in general, as well as all areas in the game. This is the first time housing has been set up outside the starter zones, though, so hopefully this is something that Turbine can remove for Belfalas, as it doesn't really make sense.
Ironically other crafting skills, such as prospecting, do not seem to be affected by the dangerous area penalty. I have the armorer/tinker/historian/woodsman combo, though the armorer is level cap, so I have a pretty good idea of what is and is not affected.
I made a thread reporting it in the housing forum, here: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...39#post7661339 but it did not seem to get much attention until a couple others noticed the same problem more recently.
Edit to add: The classic housing areas have, or used to have, a "favorite neighborhood" function that allowed us to bookmark neighborhoods where friends' or kinmates' houses were located. I set up my Belfalas house with all crafting facilities, provisioners, both classic and VIP ingredient crates, and set permissions for kin to use it all in hopes of establishing a second, though unofficial, kinhouse (my kin does not want to give up TH kinhouse as it is a great port location for new toons to get access to weapon/metalsmith guilds). But Belfalas does not have the ability to bookmark the neighborhood location of my house, or the houses of other kinmates.
I went out on the first day purchase a house, it has a nice design to it. This one of those sit beside the bay with plenty of yard space.
That is my complement.
There are some things wrong with design.
1. There are porches that do not have any hooks. How I am in my retirement suppose to sit on porch and watch the sunrises and sunsets.
2. There should be hidden hooks that a person can buy from the store to expand the capabilities of the yard.
This one person's opinion, and does not reflect in anyway on anybody.
Thomas Shultz
This issue still occurs, as I am currently locked out of my own house again.Quote:
From the 19.0.1 release notes: *You should no longer be unexpectedly booted from your house by the character transfer system. Thus the transfer wizard has been re-enabled.
Yes, just got an additional (premium) house and no additional storage was added.
This is ridiculous! Having a Premium house for hooks and decoration is ok. Why would any one buy additional houses if no storage space is increased? Hope they re-think about this. Only disapointment about the Premium House so far, but no doubt it's a HUGE one!
"Housing storage is shared between all your houses, Premium or Classic, for your convenience!"
Feels like it was just so we don't get additional space in the end...
I have the following questions regarding who can buy a Premium House and how many can be owned.
1) Premium Kin House - must be purchased by Kin Leader? - I believe this is a Yes
2) Premium Kin House - each Kin can only own 1 Premium Kin House?
3) Premium Houses - can any alt buy Premium Houses or can only the owner of the Classic house buy?
4) Premium Houses - can multiple alts each buy a Premium House and "own" the house they bought? (i.e. if I have alts Bob, Fred, Sally and Rebecca on the Brandywine server, can they each have a Premium House under their own name or if Bob is the owner of the Classic House are all the Premium Houses assigned to Bob, regardless of which alt buys the Premium Houses)?
From memory, the kinship leader is the only character able to buy a kinship house, whether classic or premium and only one house is allowed, so either a classic one or a premium one.
Any character can buy one or more premium house(s) per account. Only one character per account can buy a classic house and all others share it. All alts will get a travel skill to go to the classic house. The premium house travel skill will bind to the most recently visited premium house. Opening the management panel will list all of the available houses and you can pick one for travel. So Bob would own the classic house and any premium houses Bob bought. Fred and company would each own the premium house(s) they bought separately and all would share the classic one. Be aware that houses will all have one linked view and share purchased storage unlocks. If I am not mistaken, only the first house purchase will grant a chest. You do not get more chests or unlocks from subsequent house purchases.
Answers to your questions:
- Yes.
- Yes, each kin can own only 1 kinship house regardless the house kind.
- Any alt. Must point out that you don't need to own a classic house 1st to buy a premium house.
- The alt that buy it, receive the "house owned by..." tittle that can be seeing when visited the house, regardless what alt own the classic house. Apart the tittle, all alts receive the full benefits of the house.
Also if you wish to see a preview of the premium houses decoration arrangements, you can check here: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...-Premium-House . :)