@Vastin: Incoming damage in North Ithilien and Wastes is off the hook

It is impossible to complete basic solo quests in e.g. Dum Boha. I'm a decently geared hunter and the signature mobs take me down in seconds with a couple hits. Before U23 I had no problems.

There's no path to better gear for me: I can now afford the 4-slot herbalism gear, but nowhere near the 45 essences to fill them, and they're no better than my current T7 Minas Tirith gear without a full set of essences.

Unless this is fixed, this looks like the end of my time in this game. This is very frustrating and upsetting.

If the Wastes is this bad, I don't have much hope for Mordor...

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Originally Posted by beorf

It is impossible to complete basic solo quests in e.g. Dum Boha. I'm a decently geared hunter and the signature mobs take me down in seconds with a couple hits. Before U23 I had no problems.

There's no path to better gear for me: I can now afford the 4-slot herbalism gear, but nowhere near the 45 essences to fill them, and they're no better than my current T7 Minas Tirith gear without a full set of essences.

Unless this is fixed, this looks like the end of my time in this game. This is very frustrating and upsetting.

If the Wastes is this bad, I don't have much hope for Mordor...

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Ask for high level to breeze you trough it. Waiting for fix will take ages/ if get any.
Stop paying atention to such small things, SSG is blind to them.
Do RT`s / when there is a raid/ do WP, go max level, get some gear, go back and finish the quests you need/ if you need / for deed or for TP.
This is the way how lotro work. You find your own way to solve it.
Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Pavlin

Ask for high level to breeze you trough it. Waiting for fix will take ages/ if get any.
Stop paying atention to such small things, SSG is blind to them.
Do RT`s / when there is a raid/ do WP, go max level, get some gear, go back and finish the quests you need/ if you need / for deed or for TP.
This is the way how lotro work. You find your own way to solve it.
Cheers.

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This reply does nothing for folks that want to experience the content as near to on-level as possible, and does nothing to address the issue that needs, *NEEDS* to be fixed. Just because it's not being dealt with straight-away, doesn't mean that it won't get fixed, and encouraging people to just "go around it" instead of bringing it to the attention of the devs doesn't help get it fixed any faster.

Yes, SSG has left a lot on the table, and there is a lot of work to be done - but they need to hear about it - they also need to know they are in danger of losing players (i.e. paying customers) if they don't fix it.

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Originally Posted by Pavlin

Ask for high level to breeze you trough it. Waiting for fix will take ages/ if get any.
Stop paying atention to such small things, SSG is blind to them.
Do RT`s / when there is a raid/ do WP, go max level, get some gear, go back and finish the quests you need/ if you need / for deed or for TP.
This is the way how lotro work. You find your own way to solve it.
Cheers.

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Jeez, I don't want someone to get me through it. This is the game I want to play, and have been playing for close to a decade. I'm a soloer and I like doing the quests slowly, on-level and experiencing the story as I go. I don't like grouping with strangers and I don't raid. And I don't want to skip back and forth to get 'er done. I can get 'er done easily enough by uninstalling.

I was looking forward to buying Mordor, but now there doesn't seem much point. Seems like SSG is going to be focussed on levels 0-50 for the foreseeable future.

Update 23 effected the balance at many levels of the game negatively. They have fixed a couple of the issues, buy many still remain. Given that the level you are playing at is not heavily populated, I would not expect a fix in the near future. But that is pure speculation. Have you tried playing yellow line hunter? It's slower, but you can easily prevent the mobs from touching you. Or even blue/red build with have yellow may be good enough.

You should be doing solo content in blue line as a hunter.

anybody who says you should be red line ALL the time is just taking the piss out of you and consider you a '#######'

Blue line you can MOVE this means you can kite higher lvl mobs and elites whilst dealing high quantities of dmg, obviously not as much as in red line, but you also aren't a cactus and react like a stunned mullet whenever anything gets close enough to attack you. You can supplement this with your self healz and you should be able to take most things down.

Red line only for grps when there is someone else to stop things from touching you. you are a glass cannon..remember that, always.

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Originally Posted by beorf

It is impossible to complete basic solo quests in e.g. Dum Boha. I'm a decently geared hunter and the signature mobs take me down in seconds with a couple hits. Before U23 I had no problems.

There's no path to better gear for me: I can now afford the 4-slot herbalism gear, but nowhere near the 45 essences to fill them, and they're no better than my current T7 Minas Tirith gear without a full set of essences.

Unless this is fixed, this looks like the end of my time in this game. This is very frustrating and upsetting.

If the Wastes is this bad, I don't have much hope for Mordor...

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I have a mini in Ithilien. She was fine before u23. haven't played her since. did they mess with difficulty?

I'll certainly look at the general balance in that level range. We've mostly been focused on 120 and the 1-50 range lately, so this band hasn't been getting as much attention.

-Vastin

Have you imbued your LI bow?

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Originally Posted by NeoBasilisk

Have you imbued your LI bow?

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good point for Mordor and onwards, but was never necessary before Mordor, so shouldnt now.
The dps difference between imbued and unimbued was still bearable when we did content before Mordor.
It sure would help to have maxxed out ILI directly after getting to lvl100... but it sure cant be required for lvl100-105 content.

I think something may be going on with Gondor levels in general. I died last night 4 times with my hunter in Central Gondor, and I'm not used to dying so often! I'm level 106 doing quests that are 6 levels below me. One of my deaths happened after I had killed everything. I took a huge DOT pulse and BAM I was dead even though I'd had a 1/4 health moment before and I had just hit a heal skill. The elite half trolls (or maybe it was the sorcerers that come with them?) were doing a real number on me, so I wonder if it's some kind of issue related to DOT attacks in general. I think all 4 of my deaths happened when fighting those half-trolls. Large chunks would just disappear from my health bar suddenly, faster than I'm used to losing health. Had to do a lot more kiting, cleansing and drinking morale potions to stay alive fighting them.

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Originally Posted by CloudCastle

I think something may be going on with Gondor levels in general. I died last night 4 times with my hunter in Central Gondor, and I'm not used to dying so often! I'm level 106 doing quests that are 6 levels below me. One of my deaths happened after I had killed everything. I took a huge DOT pulse and BAM I was dead even though I'd had a 1/4 health moment before and I had just hit a heal skill. The elite half trolls (or maybe it was the sorcerers that come with them?) were doing a real number on me, so I wonder if it's some kind of issue related to DOT attacks in general. I think all 4 of my deaths happened when fighting those half-trolls. Large chunks would just disappear from my health bar suddenly, faster than I'm used to losing health. Had to do a lot more kiting, cleansing and drinking morale potions to stay alive fighting them.

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Same here in the Iron Hills, huge DOTs - over 10k damage (wound resistance) every 2 seconds. Potion doesn't work.

Hmm. My current impression is that at 105 player damage tends to be pretty potent - you can drop an enemy pretty fast with a decent build, which will make small pulls if anything a bit too easy. This is without a maxed LI - even non-LI weapons do reasonable damage at 105.

The mob DPS is probably a bit high, IMO, which can make large pulls potentially deadly for classes that can't CC or tank their way through them, so I'll look at some tweaks there in upcoming builds - but nothing major I think, and this is just my initial impression. I need to play through with more classes/builds. Builds that rely on self-healing in particular may run into trouble, and would probably be better off focusing on DPS in this area.

Now - if there are problems with specific instances, camps, or boss skills, by all means bug them. Not all content is designed to the same difficulty standards, so as we normalize the general difficulty of the game, some specific instances or skills may become unreasonably difficult to deal with, and some pulls may simply be too big, and bringing those to our attention should get them dealt with fairly quickly. Issues like extremely deadly dots or boss skills with the potential to one-shot a decently geared tank are things we are particularly on the lookout for at the moment.

-Vastin

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Originally Posted by Happybudgy

Same here in the Iron Hills, huge DOTs - over 10k damage (wound resistance) every 2 seconds. Potion doesn't work.

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Yes, DOT scaling is definitely a potential issue we're looking at now. Many of the old dots in the game had badly broken scaling systems that had seen them devolve into almost pointless effects, but when I linked them to the modern progressions some of them may have gone too high.

If you throw the names of some mosters/dots that seem especially egregious it'll help us pinpoint what ranges the problem is worst at and rescale it more accurately. I've been playing through quite a bit of content myself looking for them, but mostly in the lower level ranges, and not as much in the 60-100 ranges which is where I think the problem is more significant at the moment.

-Vastin

This is what it looks like:

https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...-Anor-players)

At level 119 the damage per 2 seconds is 10,865.

Is that what you are refering to? I am killing them fast enough, but the 'wound' is what kills me.

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Originally Posted by Vastin

Yes, DOT scaling is definitely a potential issue we're looking at now. Many of the old dots in the game had badly broken scaling systems that had seen them devolve into almost pointless effects, but when I linked them to the modern progressions some of them may have gone too high.

If you throw the names of some mosters/dots that seem especially egregious it'll help us pinpoint what ranges the problem is worst at and rescale it more accurately. I've been playing through quite a bit of content myself looking for them, but mostly in the lower level ranges, and not as much in the 60-100 ranges which is where I think the problem is more significant at the moment.

-Vastin

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I just started in Northern Mirkwood (so lvl115 content) this week and the Trolls and the DEER are doing insanely huge dots. Like [10-50k per tic] Hopefully that's not working as intended. :p

Sorry I didn't capture data beyond that.

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Originally Posted by Vastin

Yes, DOT scaling is definitely a potential issue we're looking at now. Many of the old dots in the game had badly broken scaling systems that had seen them devolve into almost pointless effects, but when I linked them to the modern progressions some of them may have gone too high.

If you throw the names of some mosters/dots that seem especially egregious it'll help us pinpoint what ranges the problem is worst at and rescale it more accurately. I've been playing through quite a bit of content myself looking for them, but mostly in the lower level ranges, and not as much in the 60-100 ranges which is where I think the problem is more significant at the moment.

-Vastin

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yea... there for sure is an issue.
Just tried playing the final part of the current epic book with my hunter. previous three chars had no issues there, but my hunter dies within seconds, if drakelings are near to him. they hit for roughly 200-600, but their aura deals roughly 5000 damage per second... ###?

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Originally Posted by Vastin

Yes, DOT scaling is definitely a potential issue we're looking at now. Many of the old dots in the game had badly broken scaling systems that had seen them devolve into almost pointless effects, but when I linked them to the modern progressions some of them may have gone too high.

If you throw the names of some mosters/dots that seem especially egregious it'll help us pinpoint what ranges the problem is worst at and rescale it more accurately. I've been playing through quite a bit of content myself looking for them, but mostly in the lower level ranges, and not as much in the 60-100 ranges which is where I think the problem is more significant at the moment.

-Vastin

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My hubby and I did the epic quest to get past the fell watchers to go to East Angmar. After this lat update we rode past them, he died from misadventure, I didn't. He was a level 43 hunter, I was a level 43 captain. Another player could not get past even though he too had done the quest before the last update.. Also, although he had the Gabilshatur stable location before the update, afterwards it was greyed out. Other players tested out the stones and found the DoT to be unbalanced. Same with the Annuminas book quest to from nd out Amarthiels plans. The N P C rangers die from the DoT. It's a big issue with DoT and scaling. ????

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Originally Posted by Vastin

Yes, DOT scaling is definitely a potential issue we're looking at now. Many of the old dots in the game had badly broken scaling systems that had seen them devolve into almost pointless effects, but when I linked them to the modern progressions some of them may have gone too high.

If you throw the names of some mosters/dots that seem especially egregious it'll help us pinpoint what ranges the problem is worst at and rescale it more accurately. I've been playing through quite a bit of content myself looking for them, but mostly in the lower level ranges, and not as much in the 60-100 ranges which is where I think the problem is more significant at the moment.

-Vastin

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Jangovar around Utterby and south of that place north of Utterby (can't open map because I am in a mine). Also, big cats, same area. Thank you for looking at this.

The npc that accompanies us during the first quests in the Iron Hills, Spall, gets hit by it too (but his hp is so high, it doesn't kill him).

Thanks for looking into it Vastin.

I have no problems with outgoing damage (my LI is imbued and leveled, but not maxed -- I haven't been grinding for starlits). I can take regular mobs down in 2-4 shots, signatures in maybe 10-20. However, they seem to have some sort of burst damage (or crits) that just out-DPSes me.
Encounters with signature mobs are often fatal, but even 2-3 regular mobs (even those frogs) can be fatal.

My gear is basically Minas Tirith quest gear and crafted teal jewellery filled with T7 Agility & Vitality essences. I'm Tortoised at 105 and my stats are:

Stat	Value
Morale:	27,348
Power:	5,545
Armour:	26,637
Might:	87
Agility:	10,566
Will:	91
Fate:	354
Crit Rating:	17,149
Finesse:	8,994
Physical Mastery:	30,326
Tactical Mastery:	13,242
Resistance:	12,833
Physical Mitigation:	29,323
Tactical Mitigation:	13,667

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Originally Posted by Vastin

If you throw the names of some monsters/dots that seem especially egregious it'll help us pinpoint what ranges the problem is worst at and rescale it more accurately.

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Here are the ones that particularly stick in my mind:
North Ithilien: Mordor Firestarter, Ithilien Buck
Wastes: Half-troll Executioner in Dum Boha. That's as far as I've gotten in the Wastes.

Here's a typical example of how it goes:

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### Chat Capture: Combat 11/08 11:40 AM ###
MYHUNTER applied a benefit with Improved Focus on MYHUNTER.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with Improved Swift Bow on the Mordor Firestarter for 8,986 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Swift Bow on the Mordor Firestarter for 2,429 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Swift Bow on the Mordor Firestarter for 2,199 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with a ranged attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,425 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a partially evaded hit with a ranged attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 557 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with a ranged attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,437 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Upshot on the Mordor Firestarter for 6,590 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter scored a partially parried hit with a weak swipe attack on MYHUNTER for 1,657 Common damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 374 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 323 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 456 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 325 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,262 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 484 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 325 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter scored a partially evaded hit with Crippling Poison on MYHUNTER.
MYHUNTER scored a partially blocked hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 783 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER tried to use Crippling Shot on the Mordor Firestarter but he resisted the attempt.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 363 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 346 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 4,261 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER tried to use Crippling Shot on the Mordor Firestarter but he resisted the attempt.
The Mordor Firestarter scored a hit with a weak swipe attack on MYHUNTER for 2,409 Common damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 354 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 563 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 4,261 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER tried to use a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter but he blocked the attempt.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 221 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,421 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter tried to use a mighty swipe attack on MYHUNTER but he parried the attempt.
MYHUNTER scored a partially blocked hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 248 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 563 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,193 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 403 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 263 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,447 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter tried to use Primary Weapon: Disarmed on MYHUNTER but he resisted the attempt.
MYHUNTER tried to use a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter but he evaded the attempt.
MYHUNTER scored a devastating hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 621 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter scored a hit with Melee Disarm on MYHUNTER.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,165 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a partially parried hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 213 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 351 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a partially blocked hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 660 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 498 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 342 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter scored a partially evaded hit with a weak swipe attack on MYHUNTER for 1,538 Common damage to Morale.
Nothing to dispel.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Merciful Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 6,616 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 706 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 240 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,556 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 483 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a partially evaded hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 170 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter tried to use a melee double attack on MYHUNTER but he evaded the attempt.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,521 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter scored a partially evaded hit with a melee double attack on MYHUNTER for 1,538 Common damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 381 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER tried to use a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter but he evaded the attempt.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,554 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 500 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 572 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,471 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter scored a partially evaded hit with a minor swipe attack on MYHUNTER for 1,922 Common damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 521 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 572 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 4,302 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 488 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 339 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a partially blocked hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 832 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 487 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a devastating hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 625 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter tried to use a weak swipe attack on MYHUNTER but he evaded the attempt.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 4,302 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a partially evaded hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 295 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 244 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Penetrating Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 2,160 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter scored a partially parried hit with a weak swipe attack on MYHUNTER for 1,664 Common damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 536 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a partially evaded hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 203 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,483 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER tried to use a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter but he evaded the attempt.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 294 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,616 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter scored a partially evaded hit with a minor swipe attack on MYHUNTER for 1,922 Common damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 562 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 272 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 4,698 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER tried to use Crippling Shot on the Mordor Firestarter but he resisted the attempt.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 469 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 636 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,760 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter scored a critical hit with a weak swipe attack on MYHUNTER for 3,614 Common damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 516 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 306 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,301 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 416 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 375 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,451 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter scored a critical hit with a mighty swipe attack on MYHUNTER for 8,129 Common damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a partially parried hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 217 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 266 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 4,698 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 402 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a partially parried hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 180 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,595 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter tried to use a weak swipe attack on MYHUNTER but he evaded the attempt.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 541 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a critical hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 636 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,863 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter for 438 Beleriand damage to Morale.
MYHUNTER tried to use a melee attack on the Mordor Firestarter but he evaded the attempt.
MYHUNTER scored a hit with Improved Quick Shot on the Mordor Firestarter for 1,756 Beleriand damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter scored a hit with a melee double attack on MYHUNTER for 2,409 Common damage to Morale.
The Mordor Firestarter incapacitated you.
The Mordor Firestarter scored a partially parried hit with a melee double attack on MYHUNTER for 1,664 Common damage to Morale.

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To the OP.

While you wait for SSG to make an adjustment to outgoing mob damage, some suggestions based on the combat log against the signature you posted.

1. Use upshot or heartseeker after focus to start fight instead of swiftbow. ( i usually camo, improved focus, heartseeker, penetrating, upshot to start fight )
2. use blood arrow after you have lost 10% of your morale
5. if you don't use heartseeker or barbed arrow, then you can always fear the mob and wait until they get distance.

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Originally Posted by beorf

Here's a typical example of how it goes:

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Hmm. The weird thing is if I total up the damage I did from the combat log, I get 108,135, but the mob only had around 57k health. His damage totals 28,466 which is indeed just enough to kill me.

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Originally Posted by flirtswithmediocrity

To the OP.

While you wait for SSG to make an adjustment to outgoing mob damage, some suggestions based on the combat log against the signature you posted.

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Yes, for tough situations, I usually use Burn Hot, Heartseeker and oils/food, and nowadays even Set Trap, but generally not for trash landscape stuff which this should be. So I just used my usual trash landscape rotation for this.

Tower Guards in Lang-Rhuven put a 24k wound dot (mitigated = ~6k per tick), other mobs in that area hit 115 lvl guard (with tank gear for t2c on 115 lvl) for 1-6k.

The Roving Threats hit like trucks: the spider puts a dot that brings 110k morale down to 0 in under 10 seconds; troll starts with ground slam for 67k and goes in no time to 635k aoe hits (not really doable with group of 106-120 players - 6 melee, 1 healer, 1 hunter).

Without player's assistance (tanking+dpsing) NPCs in "Retaking Cair Andros" die halfway through the instance.

Mordor Firestarters in March of the King (quest: Snuffing them out) also hit much harder than they used to.

while on it, please have a look at mobs' damage in quest "The Riches of Rhun" - for 115 lvl it is doable, but doubt a 105 can complete it as intended (might be possible to just hide outside the tent during the final fight).

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Yes, DOT scaling is definitely a potential issue we're looking at now. Many of the old dots in the game had badly broken scaling systems that had seen them devolve into almost pointless effects, but when I linked them to the modern progressions some of them may have gone too high.

If you throw the names of some mosters/dots that seem especially egregious it'll help us pinpoint what ranges the problem is worst at and rescale it more accurately. I've been playing through quite a bit of content myself looking for them, but mostly in the lower level ranges, and not as much in the 60-100 ranges which is where I think the problem is more significant at the moment.

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The salamanders in Moria: The Waterworks have a crazy fire dot in comparison to the rest of their damage that seems unintentional.

I think the DoT is out of control on all levels for the mobs. My father and I have given up doing most of the level 120 resource instance scourges and don't do anything more than the bare minimum we can get away with in the instance since the last update because the DoTs are killing us faster than we can heal. I'm a blue line hunter with all the press onward/strength of the earth improvements I can get, running in endurance so I get the quickshot heal. He's a red or yellow line RK with just enough blue to heal (exact line depends on his mood).

Last night Deep Wound from the rangers was doing over 9k damage every 2 seconds to me in Oinsbridge. At one point, I just keeled over due to "misadventure." Any of the drakes in Withered Heath or Thikul-Gundu do massive damage as well, though I didn't see the name of the DoT they were applying. Prior to the last update this week, we had no issues clearing the instances, including the scourges, together. The other night we were fighting a scourge in Thikul-Gundu and Dad planted a healing rock, and stood on it while trying to stun the scourge that is in the back of the instance (not the dwarf with the grims) and he died in seconds. The one in Oinsbridge that spawns in the back has a poison debuff that did us both in because I didn't realize it was killing us so fast and didn't think to remove it until it was too late, but at the time I thought it was a fluke. But I've since come to find out it's not - these mobs have been hitting a lot harder than they had been last week. However the Melee/ranged that don't throw DoTs have no issue. The weathered heath scourge that spawns by the boss, or the troll in glimmerdeep aren't a problem for us to take on. It seems to be only the mobs that frequently use DoTs.

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Yes, DOT scaling is definitely a potential issue we're looking at now. Many of the old dots in the game had badly broken scaling systems that had seen them devolve into almost pointless effects, but when I linked them to the modern progressions some of them may have gone too high.

If you throw the names of some mosters/dots that seem especially egregious it'll help us pinpoint what ranges the problem is worst at and rescale it more accurately. I've been playing through quite a bit of content myself looking for them, but mostly in the lower level ranges, and not as much in the 60-100 ranges which is where I think the problem is more significant at the moment.

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The frost grims in the Withered Heath resource instance have had some strange behavior. They have an attack which is a visual+audio effect of a tornado/twister paired with 3 or 4 hits that come very quickly. The first few days the instance was available this was doing ~10k per hit and taking my Hunter (then mostly in the Strongholds rep dps gear, with ~60k hp) well under half health from full, making for some quite tense situations. The next week (after a patch I think), this attack was doing maybe 200 morale per hit and was totally ignorable. A few days ago this was doing maybe ~5k per hit, now with my hunter at ~80k morale after upgrading all left side gear + off-hand + a few right side pieces with a mix of Expedition jewelry and a few pieces from the Adventurer's quartermaster). Seems to be in pretty much the right place at the moment if you're aiming for single pulls to be easily survivable for dps classes, but since it's bounced around a lot not sure if there are further changes planned. It was particularly weird to see the damage change by a factor of 10 down and then back up in a pretty short timespan.

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Yes, DOT scaling is definitely a potential issue we're looking at now. Many of the old dots in the game had badly broken scaling systems that had seen them devolve into almost pointless effects, but when I linked them to the modern progressions some of them may have gone too high.

If you throw the names of some mosters/dots that seem especially egregious it'll help us pinpoint what ranges the problem is worst at and rescale it more accurately. I've been playing through quite a bit of content myself looking for them, but mostly in the lower level ranges, and not as much in the 60-100 ranges which is where I think the problem is more significant at the moment.

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(everything in east rohan has 1-2k per tick bleeds, here's a few: )

Wold Ruffian
Wold Salamander
Wold Warg

(these things in wildermore have very high damage: )

Frost Grim (frost damage)
Snowy Grim (frost damage)
Snow-stalker (frost damage)

(these in wildermore have very high bleeds: )

Wild Hill-goat

Here, some people report that the little ice dragons in the Black Book 8.7 instance "The First Promise instance" do really nasty damage.
https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...=1#post7888231

The damage seems to come from their ice aura - maybe it is affected and hits too hard now?

Also, I questet in the Stormwall ruins yesterday. There are those little fire dragons that are supposed to have a similar fire aura. But it is bugged and only hurts themselves. Two weeks ago, they burned happily, and it took them some time time to die. Yesterday, they spawned and were killed by their aura within seconds.

After the stat changes I created 6 new High Elf toons. Lore-master, Rune-keeper, Minstrel, Hunter, Champion, and Captain. I am currently playing them through The Shire. The bleeds the brigand archers and goblins give ticks incredibly high damage to all classes that get them applied, even at level 17/18. I watched my LM (since she has a pet that can do bulk of the fighting so I can observe) tick down nearly 700 of the 900 morale she has before I removed it using her cure skill, just to see how bad it was. This is making survivor titles a challenge, those bleeds stacked would eat any class alive, and lord help you if you have no cure skill and no pots when facing it.

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Yes, DOT scaling is definitely a potential issue we're looking at now. Many of the old dots in the game had badly broken scaling systems that had seen them devolve into almost pointless effects, but when I linked them to the modern progressions some of them may have gone too high.

If you throw the names of some mosters/dots that seem especially egregious it'll help us pinpoint what ranges the problem is worst at and rescale it more accurately. I've been playing through quite a bit of content myself looking for them, but mostly in the lower level ranges, and not as much in the 60-100 ranges which is where I think the problem is more significant at the moment.

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Maybe in particular there are issues with dot scaling in old content. However, i think there is a clear issue with DoTs at higher levels. Well, not issue really. I noticed two things. First, Caverns of thrumfall dots are incredibly punishing to the point melee can't compete to ranged. The fire dots are hard to overcome. Second, when I run crafting instances with the spider things (can't remember the location name but it's called scurrying spiders), there are ranged mobs that apply DoTs. I could pull possibly all mobs on my champ and clean up. However, if those ranged mobs apply more DoTs than i can clear, i'm toast. Morale pot and Fight on aren't enough to outheal those dots.

Take those examples with examples in this thread and you get a trend. DoTs are way more potent than was intended (in solo/landscape content).

The hopeful endgame raider in me was actually hoping this was WaI because pot clearing was actually super important now. We need more simple counterable mechanics that punish those who don't pay attention and rewards those that do. I would ask that if you lower DoT damage, please consider continuing to make DoTs at endgame (especially at group content level) first and foremost removable (i'm talking about you etterfang fire dot!!!), and second significant enough not to be ignored even with heals (which many currently are significant enough to require healers to yell "Figs, pot that wound!!").

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Maybe in particular there are issues with dot scaling in old content. However, i think there is a clear issue with DoTs at higher levels. Well, not issue really. I noticed two things. First, Caverns of thrumfall dots are incredibly punishing to the point melee can't compete to ranged. The fire dots are hard to overcome. Second, when I run crafting instances with the spider things (can't remember the location name but it's called scurrying spiders), there are ranged mobs that apply DoTs. I could pull possibly all mobs on my champ and clean up. However, if those ranged mobs apply more DoTs than i can clear, i'm toast. Morale pot and Fight on aren't enough to outheal those dots.

Take those examples with examples in this thread and you get a trend. DoTs are way more potent than was intended (in solo/landscape content).

The hopeful endgame raider in me was actually hoping this was WaI because pot clearing was actually super important now. We need more simple counterable mechanics that punish those who don't pay attention and rewards those that do. I would ask that if you lower DoT damage, please consider continuing to make DoTs at endgame (especially at group content level) first and foremost removable (i'm talking about you etterfang fire dot!!!), and second significant enough not to be ignored even with heals (which many currently are significant enough to require healers to yell "Figs, pot that wound!!").

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I agree. If dots can be removed, its okay if their damage is very high (like in, will kill you within 15sec). If the dots cant be removed, it shouldnt be that strong.

@Vastin.

Please do not nerf removable DoTs. About every class has a cleanse and everybody can buy wound/fear/poison/disease-draughts. Let a “Deep Wound” be a deep wound and let people figure out how to handle it.

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@Vastin.

Please do not nerf removable DoTs. About every class has a cleanse and everybody can buy wound/fear/poison/disease-draughts. Let a “Deep Wound” be a deep wound and let people figure out how to handle it.

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And those have cooldown. Dying because you get multiple DoTs in fast succession and all the removals are on cooldown or have lengthy inductions isn't balanced.

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I agree. If dots can be removed, its okay if their damage is very high (like in, will kill you within 15sec). If the dots cant be removed, it shouldnt be that strong.

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If the dots can't be removed, and it's not that strong, then it's a relatively pointless mechanic only ensuring the content can't be completed without some sort of heals. I would say if they can't be removed, make them something that can be avoided. one of the dots is a good example in caverns, the one that you only receive if you're out in the open.

I said it before and will say again: Vastin, if you are so hell-bent on testing out your experiments on live, put in a level range isolation table. One where a given ranges can be switched to use the system as it were before you started messing with it. You clearly do not have the resources to do proper QA for these sweeping changes across entire level range. Even better, you should have left old content/level ranges on live servers alone.

On the subject of dots and pots: Keeping a stack of every kind of pot has always been an instance thing. There are instances where people got to watch their dots and do stuff about them. There are hard areas like Garth Agarwen, Agamaur, Limlight Gorge etc. You go to fight there, you expect a beating. But if one has to use a pot on every on-level normal, that is simply broken. Those dots can be reapplied a second after potting, and they have 30 sec cooldowns. So if you pull 2 mobs, you are guaranteed dead even with pots. Thats two normals, not sig or elite. Pots only stack to 50, and not everyone has a pocket scholar alt with 8 years worth of stashed components.

If some people are so hungry for punishment, go grab a t2c raid solo and enjoy getting reamed in every fashion possible. Leave the landscape alone. A LOT of people come to LotRO to feel like the heros in the books/movies. Like Aragorn who faced off 5 Nazgul at Weathertop. Like Frodo who endured for days after being stabbed by Morgul blade of the Witch King himself. Not a game where two on-level bandits can be a no-win fight, and a poke from a deer can take you out in 20 seconds.

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Also, I questet in the Stormwall ruins yesterday. There are those little fire dragons that are supposed to have a similar fire aura. But it is bugged and only hurts themselves. Two weeks ago, they burned happily, and it took them some time time to die. Yesterday, they spawned and were killed by their aura within seconds.

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Was deeding in Talath Urui a few days ago and I kept getting messages in the chat log that Fire Drakelings had been defeated, but never actually saw them. I'm guessing the same thing was happening here and they were being insta-killed by their own aura.

They are being affected by their own fire aura. This has been happening since I think a few patches ago. It's not an insta-kill, but it doesn't take many ticks.

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I said it before and will say again: Vastin, if you are so hell-bent on testing out your experiments on live, put in a level range isolation table. One where a given ranges can be switched to use the system as it were before you started messing with it. You clearly do not have the resources to do proper QA for these sweeping changes across entire level range. Even better, you should have left old content/level ranges on live servers alone.

On the subject of dots and pots: Keeping a stack of every kind of pot has always been an instance thing. There are instances where people got to watch their dots and do stuff about them. There are hard areas like Garth Agarwen, Agamaur, Limlight Gorge etc. You go to fight there, you expect a beating. But if one has to use a pot on every on-level normal, that is simply broken. Those dots can be reapplied a second after potting, and they have 30 sec cooldowns. So if you pull 2 mobs, you are guaranteed dead even with pots. Thats two normals, not sig or elite. Pots only stack to 50, and not everyone has a pocket scholar alt with 8 years worth of stashed components.

If some people are so hungry for punishment, go grab a t2c raid solo and enjoy getting reamed in every fashion possible. Leave the landscape alone. A LOT of people come to LotRO to feel like the heros in the books/movies. Like Aragorn who faced off 5 Nazgul at Weathertop. Like Frodo who endured for days after being stabbed by Morgul blade of the Witch King himself. Not a game where two on-level bandits can be a no-win fight, and a poke from a deer can take you out in 20 seconds.

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You imply he even has the skills necessary to do such sledgehammer changes across the board, which I highly doubt.

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Yes, DOT scaling is definitely a potential issue we're looking at now. Many of the old dots in the game had badly broken scaling systems that had seen them devolve into almost pointless effects, but when I linked them to the modern progressions some of them may have gone too high.

If you throw the names of some mosters/dots that seem especially egregious it'll help us pinpoint what ranges the problem is worst at and rescale it more accurately. I've been playing through quite a bit of content myself looking for them, but mostly in the lower level ranges, and not as much in the 60-100 ranges which is where I think the problem is more significant at the moment.

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It seems to be all dots. Seems like they are doing about 10x more than they should be. 1 bleed effect will kill you if left unchecked. Even after you cleanse it you can get it again and with your ability on CD you will die.

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If you throw the names of some monsters/dots that seem especially egregious it'll help us pinpoint what ranges the problem is worst at and rescale it more accurately. I've been playing through quite a bit of content myself looking for them, but mostly in the lower level ranges, and not as much in the 60-100 ranges which is where I think the problem is more significant at the moment.

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Here is my recent experience with this. My main character (Burg, just turned 120) went into the Stormwall area to complete the Assist the Stormwall quest. The drakes and burning worms in that canyon area were doing incredibly powerful fire DoTs that nearly killed me (so rapidly!! whoa!) several times and eventually did kill me once. Same thing happened in Stormwall proper, although I had learned by then to give those beasties wide berth via stealth. Finally, in the solo Stormwall instance I couldn't survive past the opening attack from the two worms and their DoTs. Upon retreating of course I found myself on a hilltop very very far away, which was demoralizing. When I go back, I will definitely bring additional potions and stuff, but the overall experience felt really far out of the norm (seriously, the DoT was so quick which is hard when potions/buffs are on cool down). I had been in that same canyon area last week just exploring and managed it just fine.

Also in Thikil-gundu Resource instance both Scourges of Thikil-gundu (dwarf Hladek and orc ranger, don't remember his name, but it starts with L) have DoTs (not Hladek himself, but grims what he summons) what deal a lot of damage. And they don't have such damage before last update. Orc's fire DoT have ~18K damage with every hit

Vastin would love another update. This being looked at? DOTS are out of control.

LVL 120 Hunter doing quests in Lang Rhuven to finish off rep and meta for the wastes - I currently have 125k morale, resistance 36k for 14%, PMit 101k for 35%, and TMit 63k for 26% <-- vs lvl 120 mobs.


The (lvl 105) Khundolar Archer scored a hit with Deep Wound for 12,283 Common damage to Morale.

10 ticks and I'm a goner - fortunately I don't let it get that far, but if I get 2 of those on me I don't have much time to clear w/pots and purge poison - and have to hope they're not on CD

Add:

The (lvl 105) Khundolar Archer scored a hit with Poison for 6,898 Common damage to Morale.

into the mix and things get dicey really fast.

Granted they are Elite Masters, but mobs 15 lvls below me...

Anybody even trying this on level truly better have a full fellowship with them (as intended) - but it's still going to be rough going if they're not well geared.

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yea... there for sure is an issue.
Just tried playing the final part of the current epic book with my hunter. previous three chars had no issues there, but my hunter dies within seconds, if drakelings are near to him. they hit for roughly 200-600, but their aura deals roughly 5000 damage per second... ###?

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Yes I had issues with my Bear on that too didn't have it with my other toons... had to go to tanking bear to survive.

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Here is my recent experience with this. My main character (Burg, just turned 120) went into the Stormwall area to complete the Assist the Stormwall quest. The drakes and burning worms in that canyon area were doing incredibly powerful fire DoTs that nearly killed me (so rapidly!! whoa!) several times and eventually did kill me once. Same thing happened in Stormwall proper, although I had learned by then to give those beasties wide berth via stealth. Finally, in the solo Stormwall instance I couldn't survive past the opening attack from the two worms and their DoTs. Upon retreating of course I found myself on a hilltop very very far away, which was demoralizing. When I go back, I will definitely bring additional potions and stuff, but the overall experience felt really far out of the norm (seriously, the DoT was so quick which is hard when potions/buffs are on cool down). I had been in that same canyon area last week just exploring and managed it just fine.

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Same with my Bear on that as well this week, she died 5 times there for the same reasons. I tried to get her better gear got her in 120 gear tried it again same results even with man healing and bear healing going, and getting out of the fire. Had to go into tanking mode to finish it.

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I'll certainly look at the general balance in that level range. We've mostly been focused on 120 and the 1-50 range lately, so this band hasn't been getting as much attention.

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You certainly should take a look at the rest of the game balance, too. A lot of players are in that range inbetween 50 and 120 and getting quite frustrated.

I'm having similar issues with my Champion in the Wastes. I ran my Runekeeper through this zone a few months back and had zero issues. My Champion is struggling to bring down mobs in general, each pull is a battle, which is not what I usually see.

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(everything in east rohan has 1-2k per tick bleeds, here's a few: )

Wold Ruffian
Wold Salamander
Wold Warg

(these things in wildermore have very high damage: )

Frost Grim (frost damage)
Snowy Grim (frost damage)
Snow-stalker (frost damage)

(these in wildermore have very high bleeds: )

Wild Hill-goat

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I am finding the level 85 grims in Wildermore to be almost unbeatable, even with a level 92 RK that used to have no problem with these things. It seems like looking through these threads, RKs in particular are having a hard time with the excessive scaling issues. I just reached the level 85 solo instance quest where you face Nurzum, and as soon as I saw he summons grims, I knew it was going to be hopeless.

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I am finding the level 85 grims in Wildermore to be almost unbeatable, even with a level 92 RK that used to have no problem with these things. It seems like looking through these threads, RKs in particular are having a hard time with the excessive scaling issues. I just reached the level 85 solo instance quest where you face Nurzum, and as soon as I saw he summons grims, I knew it was going to be hopeless.

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Is this still an issue? I just tried downing some grims in Wildermore (lvl 87) and was quickly wiped out twice. Never had this happen before.

Lvl 87 LM. Dang things even ignored my bear's taunt and just blasted me dead with Frost before I could even get two burning embers' off.

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Is this still an issue? I just tried downing some grims in Wildermore (lvl 87) and was quickly wiped out twice. Never had this happen before.

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DoT scaling was fixed some time ago. You're a victim of bad mob scaling at levels 85 - 95 (?). I believe what happens was...

- When Helm's Deep was released, Vitality gave a point to Physical and Tactical Mitigation each.
- Because HD gear had loads of vitality, everyone could easily cap mitigations.
- Quick "fix" was that the removed mitigations from Vitality. That made content harder, especially if you still have lvl 85 gear. Tactical attacks became very nasty (e.g. Grims).
- When SSG fiddled with mob damage/morale with U23, that level range became even harder (!)

Also, U23 seems to have introduced a bug with mitigation calculation. When a lvl 85 mob hits you, your effective mitigations should be calculated like you were a lvl 85 char. Instead, they're purely calculated using you charlvl. Meaning if out outlevel content, but still are equipped with old gear, that content becomes even harder.

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DoT scaling was fixed some time ago. You're a victim of bad mob scaling at levels 85 - 95 (?). I believe what happens was...

- When Helm's Deep was released, Vitality gave a point to Physical and Tactical Mitigation each.
- Because HD gear had loads of vitality, everyone could easily cap mitigations.
- Quick "fix" was that the removed mitigations from Vitality. That made content harder, especially if you still have lvl 85 gear. Tactical attacks became very nasty (e.g. Grims).
- When SSG fiddled with mob damage/morale with U23, that level range became even harder (!)

Also, U23 seems to have introduced a bug with mitigation calculation. When a lvl 85 mob hits you, your effective mitigations should be calculated like you were a lvl 85 char. Instead, they're purely calculated using you charlvl. Meaning if out outlevel content, but still are equipped with old gear, that content becomes even harder.

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Thanks for the response, you're probably correct. I'm wearing lvl 85 Hytbold armor. I have maxed my tactical mitigation and resistance virtues (lvl 43 for me), but apparently that's not enough. Perhaps adding some Finesse, even though wasn't really needed until Mordor before. Will try that.

[edit] Still doesn't explain to me why they ignore my bear. I send the bear in first without hurling any damage at the grim, but the grim still targets only me, even before I send in any damage spells . And then it ignore my bear taunt. First mob I found that does that.

LOL so my rotation has been (3 times now) is 1) send in bear, let him hit the grim, 2) grim starts shooting me with frost, 3) I hit taunt on my bear, grim keeps hitting me, 4) I toss a burning embers at the grim, and 5) I'm dead in the middle of my 2nd burning embers windup.

No wonder. You said you are fighting "Sorcerers".

They one shot me too!

I try to avoid them, or kill them first quickly.

Speaking to the OP I have had problems in the same area Dum Boha, even on my guard. I got to the boss in that area with the two guards and got creamed. I had to have a kin member come in and help me out.

Speaking off the OP, what the other person said about level 90+ needs to be looked at as well. Especially the areas around Stoke and onward. My captain was doing great red line until around there. Then ended up having to switch to yellow and a shield in order not to die. The Mobs around that area need either scaled down or their damage reduced.

I would still say some DoT's are kind of bad in the way that some content is hardly worth doing. Like the Fire Damage in Caverns for example. Makes that instance on duo pretty much a waste of time. Simply not worth it with that much fire damage and the bad rewards. Doesn't even count towards weekly, so why run it on duo at all ??? Either solo or 3-man, but even 3-man is a pain compared to other instances simply due to the fire damage. Doable yes, but not worth it. Time and effort and all that jazz.