what happend to Bilbo?

I'm assuming this is how he looks during the Birthday event, but I've never notice this, why does he have beard?

https://www.lotroshots.net/_data/i/u...14aa98f-la.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pontin_Finnberry

I'm assuming this is how he looks during the Birthday event, but I've never this, why does he have beard?

https://shots.lotrokin.me/i.php?/upl...14aa98f-la.jpg

---

wow! redesigned bilbo!
now i m sure about a new hobbit subrace is coming!
ofc its another lore big bending since bilbo is a fallohide.......

Nonsense , hobbits cannot grow beards unless you are Stoor and even then its extremely rare.

Another fine lore-breaking point.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vanyaerunanethiel

Nonsense , hobbits cannot grow beards unless you are Stoor and even then its extremely rare.

Another fine lore-breaking point.

---

This is right. This ruins the game for me. I can't even play it anymore.

I liked the Bilbo redesign until I noticed the beard. Just get rid of that and he'll be cool. I'd also like it if he got a new voice instead of the generic hobbit one.

Yes, Bilbo is a Fallohide, that is why he can have facial hair. Only Harfoots were beardless.

"Before the crossing of the mountains the Hobbits had already become divided into three somewhat different breeds: Harfoots, Stoors, and Fallohides. The Harfoots were browner of skin, smaller, and shorter, and they were beardless and bootless; their hands and feet were neat and nimble; and they preferred highlands and hillsides. The Stoors were broader, heavier in build; their feet and hands were larger, and they preferred flat lands and riversides. The Fallohides were fairer of skin and also of hair, and they were taller and slimmer than the others; they were lovers of trees and of woodlands. "

The absence of facial hair is specifically stated for only one kind of Hobbits. So, when you speak about lore, please use actual facts and not just your opinion on the matter.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arabani

Yes, Bilbo is a Fallohide, that is why he can have facial hair. Only Harfoots were beardless.

"Before the crossing of the mountains the Hobbits had already become divided into three somewhat different breeds: Harfoots, Stoors, and Fallohides. The Harfoots were browner of skin, smaller, and shorter, and they were beardless and bootless; their hands and feet were neat and nimble; and they preferred highlands and hillsides. The Stoors were broader, heavier in build; their feet and hands were larger, and they preferred flat lands and riversides. The Fallohides were fairer of skin and also of hair, and they were taller and slimmer than the others; they were lovers of trees and of woodlands. "

The absence of facial hair is specifically stated for only one kind of Hobbits. So, when you speak about lore, please use actual facts and not just your opinion on the matter.

---

Read also what it says a couple of pages after that paragraph. I don't have access to English LotR so I won't give a citation .. but I have a hunch there's something about hobbit beards, too :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arabani

Yes, Bilbo is a Fallohide, that is why he can have facial hair. Only Harfoots were beardless.

"Before the crossing of the mountains the Hobbits had already become divided into three somewhat different breeds: Harfoots, Stoors, and Fallohides. The Harfoots were browner of skin, smaller, and shorter, and they were beardless and bootless; their hands and feet were neat and nimble; and they preferred highlands and hillsides. The Stoors were broader, heavier in build; their feet and hands were larger, and they preferred flat lands and riversides. The Fallohides were fairer of skin and also of hair, and they were taller and slimmer than the others; they were lovers of trees and of woodlands. "

The absence of facial hair is specifically stated for only one kind of Hobbits. So, when you speak about lore, please use actual facts and not just your opinion on the matter.

---

Yes, when you speak about lore please do use actual facts, Arabani:

"The Hobbits of that quarter, the Eastfarthing, were rather large and heavy-legged, and they wore dwarf-boots in
muddy weather. But they were well known to be Stoors in a large part of their blood, as indeed was shown by the
down that many grew on their chins. No Harfoot or Fallohide had any trace of a beard."

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU

"The Hobbits of that quarter, the Eastfarthing, were rather large and heavy-legged, and they wore dwarf-boots in
muddy weather. But they were well known to be Stoors in a large part of their blood, as indeed was shown by the
down that many grew on their chins. No Harfoot or Fallohide had any trace of a beard."

---

Right, wich only means that having beard was not the custom among Shire Hobbits. Look at the exact wording and the opositions: Stoors grew , which means they did it intentionally - while other Hobbits decided not to. Says nothing about mustaches, by the way. Only Harfoots were unable to have facial hair by nature, but we can also safely assume that there were marriages between different kind of hobbits over the years and so the curent genetic pool of an average Shire hobbit is somewhere in between.

As for Bilbo, he is old, very old.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU

...No Harfoot or Fallohide had any trace of a beard."

---

you are right and i have read all this, it is mainly why i brought this up.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arabani

As for Bilbo, he is old, very old.

---

just cause a Hobbit or anyone is very old doesn't mean they can grow a beard, also bilbo isn't Stoor and shouldn't have a beard, but he does in game.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arabani

Yes, Bilbo is a Fallohide, that is why he can have facial hair. Only Harfoots were beardless.

---

as shown above it says they had no trace of beard so this false.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pontin_Finnberry

as shown above it says they had no trace of beard so this false.

---

I suggest you reading my posts more carefully. Also remember that there are no "accidental" words in a fiction work, especially when it's written by a philologist.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arabani

Right, wich only means that having beard was not the custom among Shire Hobbits. Look at the exact wording and the opositions: Stoors grew , which means they did it intentionally - while other Hobbits decided not to. Says nothing about mustaches, by the way. Only Harfoots were unable to have facial hair by nature, but we can also safely assume that there were marriages between different kind of hobbits over the years and so the curent genetic pool of an average Shire hobbit is somewhere in between.

As for Bilbo, he is old, very old.

---

Saying they had no trace of a beard implies exactly what it says, that Fallohides and Harfoots didn't have any beard to grow. Even Stoors were only supposed to grow a bit of down on their chins, which is not what we see in that screenshot in any case but would be rather more like that wispy bumfluff that adolescents sprout and which looks like you could wipe it off with a flannel.

The devs done goofed, that's all there is to it.

Aaaghh! Begone hobbit scruff!

For the hair splitting: A five o'clock shadow is a TRACE of a beard, of which Harfoots and Fallowhides had none.

Radhruin_EU, I know it might be hard to understand a fiction text without proper training, but try to be objective while reading the quoted passages. Every text has 3 layers of information after all.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arabani

Radhruin_EU, I know it might be hard to understand a fiction text without proper training, but try to be objective while reading the quoted passages. Every text has 3 layers of information after all.

---

Or you could stop trying to imagine layers and just read what it says right there in plain English. No trace means just that.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arabani

Also remember that there are no "accidental" words in a fiction work, especially when it's written by a philologist.

---

Good, so Tolkien must have meant what he said when he wrote "No Harfoot or Fallohide had any trace of a beard."

It's obviously something to do with having possessed a ring of power. Cirdan has a beard and we all know Gandalf has one. Maybe Frodo will grow one eventually. Tho' I doubt Galadriel will.

Gollum we can dismiss because he was so old that his hair had mostly fallen out. He may have spent many bearded years under the mountain.

As for Elrond, well, who knows. Does the book say he doesn't have a beard?

All the dwarves had one, obviously, 'cos dwarves.

As for the Kings of Men, well, they're wraiths now, so we can't see if they have one or not. (Bet they do tho'.)

:)

Great debate everyone. For the next topic, why don't we discuss whether balrogs have wings?

Don't you mean 'wiiings'?

This egregious error is a disaster of biblical proportions!!!

https://youtu.be/q0POXW4V1_k

The way things are going, I expect the next time I log in the Devs will have put beards on all the stable mounts as well. :rolleyes:

In a couple of months we'll have beardless Dwarves (some probably in pink dresses) running all around the world. One bearded hobbit is hardly a disaster or even a compensation :) We need beards for hobbits!

This thread is hilarious...

It could have been a slur..... "No Harfoot or Fallohide had any trace of a beard.".
Is it not possible that Tolkien was introducing us to bigotry? I mean how many layers of meaning do you want or require? Perspective is key after all.

You could read it as a slur "haha they cannot even grow facial hair" or "haha look at them... they grow facial hair, they even wear dwarf boots and have strange names and use peculiar words."

We will never know either way but it is enjoyable watching you all squabble over meaningless twaddle. :rolleyes::p

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LabadalofDorlomin

This thread is hilarious...

It could have been a slur..... "No Harfoot or Fallohide had any trace of a beard.".
Is it not possible that Tolkien was introducing us to bigotry? I mean how many layers of meaning do you want or require? Perspective is key after all.

You could read it as a slur "haha they cannot even grow facial hair" or "haha look at them... they grow facial hair, they even wear dwarf boots and have strange names and use peculiar words."

We will never know either way but it is enjoyable watching you all squabble over meaningless twaddle. :rolleyes::p

---

/Signed

I thought the same thing but wasn't going to say anything until I saw that You did. Now that You already poked the hornest nest I might at at least post in agreement with You. :)

On the other hand (yes I at least try to see things from more than one perspective and not from only my own perspective, taste or opinion) what is important to one person or some might mean nothing to others and vice versa. Just like some things I think is very important might be silly to others. So everyone is of course entitled to their own opinion and view of the importance of this beard or stubble on Bilbo. If it's game "breaking" to them I guess it is.

For some game breaking or not making the game worth playing can be PvMP not getting any attention. For some too few raids. For some the opposite and too much raid focus in design. To some not being able to get a certain cosmetic and complete their collection. To others it might be lootboxes or other monetizations schemes. Then to some it's lore breaking stuff. For some a combination of things. Just as there are various reasons to keep playing the game to different people. I guess all reasons whatever they might be are just as valid to each individual.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LabadalofDorlomin

This thread is hilarious...

---

Posted in error, please disregard.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NeoBasilisk

Great debate everyone. For the next topic, why don't we discuss whether balrogs have wings?

---

That would actually be debatable. This is as debatable as the existence of 6' tall hobbits :D.

..although now that I think of it, one of my friends is very much like a huge hobbit.

I love reading lore flamewars. I stand by my lore cred, but watching lore masters throwing citations back and forth is both educational and entertaining. From this thread, I've learned that Bilbo is a Fallohide.

I love the new Bilbo. The look in his eyes is just right. I also agree that the peach fuzz on his chin is an odd choice.

if they have a beard and swim they can be lm and rk for one more thing

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bakenellan

In a couple of months we'll have beardless Dwarves (some probably in pink dresses) running all around the world. One bearded hobbit is hardly a disaster or even a compensation :) We need beards for hobbits!

---

We already seen beornings and high elves running around in The Shire. How it can be even more wrong?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Echoweaver

I love the new Bilbo. The look in his eyes is just right. I also agree that the peach fuzz on his chin is an odd choice.

---

I like how Bilbo looks too, just not the beard part :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pontin_Finnberry

I like how Bilbo looks too, just not the beard part :)

---

Storytime!

A few months ago something happened that occasionally happens with LOTRO: we found something buried in the files from long ago, and nobody could quite remember where it came from. It's so big a game, and has been around for so long now (more than a decade!) that it's basically impossible for any one person to remember everything about it. So what did we find? This art for Bilbo, added to the game years ago by an artist that's gone on to other projects, and no one can remember exactly why the art was made, or why it never got hooked up. It's a great Bilbo... with the one exception that when the artist made his muttonchops, he seems to have gotten a little carried away and kept on adding hair, resulting in a bearded Bilbo that doesn't quite fit. I think it's safe to say we can change it, because otherwise it's a pretty great Bilbo. :)

MoL

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LabadalofDorlomin

This thread is hilarious...

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wolfhelm

Almost as amusing as you hinting that people were closet racists for having the temerity to disagree with your opinions on elvish skin tones ;)

---

Please explain? I have zero idea what you are talking about!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

Storytime!

A few months ago something happened that occasionally happens with LOTRO: we found something buried in the files from long ago, and nobody could quite remember where it came from. It's so big a game, and has been around for so long now (more than a decade!) that it's basically impossible for any one person to remember everything about it. So what did we find? This art for Bilbo, added to the game years ago by an artist that's gone on to other projects, and no one can remember exactly why the art was made, or why it never got hooked up. It's a great Bilbo... with the one exception that when the artist made his muttonchops, he seems to have gotten a little carried away and kept on adding hair, resulting in a bearded Bilbo that doesn't quite fit. I think it's safe to say we can change it, because otherwise it's a pretty great Bilbo. :)

MoL

---

It looks great.... put your efforts into important things and leave our Bilbo and his face warmer alone.... he has got a great sea adventure to come and will be all the warmer for keeping it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

Storytime!

A few months ago something happened that occasionally happens with LOTRO: we found something buried in the files from long ago, and nobody could quite remember where it came from. It's so big a game, and has been around for so long now (more than a decade!) that it's basically impossible for any one person to remember everything about it. So what did we find? This art for Bilbo, added to the game years ago by an artist that's gone on to other projects, and no one can remember exactly why the art was made, or why it never got hooked up. It's a great Bilbo... with the one exception that when the artist made his muttonchops, he seems to have gotten a little carried away and kept on adding hair, resulting in a bearded Bilbo that doesn't quite fit. I think it's safe to say we can change it, because otherwise it's a pretty great Bilbo. :)

MoL

---

Ah ha interesting, well hopefully he can get shaved soon and look like a shire hobbit again.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arabani

Right, wich only means that having beard was not the custom among Shire Hobbits. Look at the exact wording and the opositions: Stoors grew , which means they did it intentionally - while other Hobbits decided not to. Says nothing about mustaches, by the way. Only Harfoots were unable to have facial hair by nature, but we can also safely assume that there were marriages between different kind of hobbits over the years and so the curent genetic pool of an average Shire hobbit is somewhere in between.

As for Bilbo, he is old, very old.

---

your right about the marriages since it is well known that the differences between the three hobbit clans/tribes were dull in late 3rd age
BUT there are some famillys with........ lets say "purest blood" (i dont like this phrase at all, i m using it only to make you understand what i mean).
Bilbos familly was one of them and we all know(?), that the leaders(thains), of the halflings were fallohide descadents.
now i m not native english talker but what i understand, and the way i have learned it, grew means something that have the abillity to grow, if it was intentionally,
the writter should have said that they have a beard or facial hair.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Altair6

It's obviously something to do with having possessed a ring of power. Cirdan has a beard and we all know Gandalf has one. Maybe Frodo will grow one eventually. Tho' I doubt Galadriel will.

Gollum we can dismiss because he was so old that his hair had mostly fallen out. He may have spent many bearded years under the mountain.

As for Elrond, well, who knows. Does the book say he doesn't have a beard?

All the dwarves had one, obviously, 'cos dwarves.

As for the Kings of Men, well, they're wraiths now, so we can't see if they have one or not. (Bet they do tho'.)

:)

---

you gave me a good laugh! tks!
well elves dont grow beards too :) ,
which makes me think.....
hobbits dont grow beards....
hobbits are having slightly pointed ears....
i really going against the lore here, telling us that hobbits are a lost branch of men!
i strongly believe that hobbits are a lost branch of elves :P
or maybe a race that is completelly unique and has nothing to do with the blood of men!
eru created the elves and the men,
aule created the dwarves,
hobbits are eru's secret weapon to defeat the evil!
:P :P :P

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

Storytime!

A few months ago something happened that occasionally happens with LOTRO: we found something buried in the files from long ago, and nobody could quite remember where it came from. It's so big a game, and has been around for so long now (more than a decade!) that it's basically impossible for any one person to remember everything about it. So what did we find? This art for Bilbo, added to the game years ago by an artist that's gone on to other projects, and no one can remember exactly why the art was made, or why it never got hooked up. It's a great Bilbo... with the one exception that when the artist made his muttonchops, he seems to have gotten a little carried away and kept on adding hair, resulting in a bearded Bilbo that doesn't quite fit. I think it's safe to say we can change it, because otherwise it's a pretty great Bilbo. :)

MoL

---

yes its a good work just remove some of the hair :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wolfhelm

Good, so Tolkien must have meant what he said when he wrote "No Harfoot or Fallohide had any trace of a beard."

---

check your private mail mate

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

Storytime!

A few months ago something happened that occasionally happens with LOTRO: we found something buried in the files from long ago, and nobody could quite remember where it came from. It's so big a game, and has been around for so long now (more than a decade!) that it's basically impossible for any one person to remember everything about it. So what did we find? This art for Bilbo, added to the game years ago by an artist that's gone on to other projects, and no one can remember exactly why the art was made, or why it never got hooked up. It's a great Bilbo... with the one exception that when the artist made his muttonchops, he seems to have gotten a little carried away and kept on adding hair, resulting in a bearded Bilbo that doesn't quite fit. I think it's safe to say we can change it, because otherwise it's a pretty great Bilbo. :)

MoL

---

Glad to hear that!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TharbadThief

That would actually be debatable. This is as debatable as the existence of 6' tall hobbits :D.

---

When a hobbit and a Numenorean love each other very much...

Anyhow, yes, it's a fine Bilbo, once he wipes the fuzz off his chin :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

Storytime!

A few months ago something happened that occasionally happens with LOTRO: we found something buried in the files from long ago, and nobody could quite remember where it came from. It's so big a game, and has been around for so long now (more than a decade!) that it's basically impossible for any one person to remember everything about it. So what did we find? This art for Bilbo, added to the game years ago by an artist that's gone on to other projects, and no one can remember exactly why the art was made, or why it never got hooked up. It's a great Bilbo... with the one exception that when the artist made his muttonchops, he seems to have gotten a little carried away and kept on adding hair, resulting in a bearded Bilbo that doesn't quite fit. I think it's safe to say we can change it, because otherwise it's a pretty great Bilbo. :)

MoL

---

If we turn the "frill" settings down, will the fuzzy beard disappear? :cool:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Starsmith

When a hobbit and a Numenorean love each other very much...

---

Please DON'T give Peter Jackson any more ideas!! :rolleyes:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LabadalofDorlomin

Please explain? I have zero idea what you are talking about!

---

It was a case of mistaken identity. Got you mixed up with someone else sorry.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

Storytime!

A few months ago something happened that occasionally happens with LOTRO: we found something buried in the files from long ago, and nobody could quite remember where it came from. It's so big a game, and has been around for so long now (more than a decade!) that it's basically impossible for any one person to remember everything about it. So what did we find? This art for Bilbo, added to the game years ago by an artist that's gone on to other projects, and no one can remember exactly why the art was made, or why it never got hooked up. It's a great Bilbo... with the one exception that when the artist made his muttonchops, he seems to have gotten a little carried away and kept on adding hair, resulting in a bearded Bilbo that doesn't quite fit. I think it's safe to say we can change it, because otherwise it's a pretty great Bilbo. :)

MoL

---

Why not e-mail the artist and find out?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

Storytime!

A few months ago something happened that occasionally happens with LOTRO: we found something buried in the files from long ago, and nobody could quite remember where it came from. It's so big a game, and has been around for so long now (more than a decade!) that it's basically impossible for any one person to remember everything about it. So what did we find? This art for Bilbo, added to the game years ago by an artist that's gone on to other projects, and no one can remember exactly why the art was made, or why it never got hooked up. It's a great Bilbo... with the one exception that when the artist made his muttonchops, he seems to have gotten a little carried away and kept on adding hair, resulting in a bearded Bilbo that doesn't quite fit. I think it's safe to say we can change it, because otherwise it's a pretty great Bilbo. :)

MoL

---

So, if it was never hooked up, and its been hidden in the game files for years, and its not consistent with the game lore, and there was no problem with the regular Bilbo, why did it get added now?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wolfhelm

It was a case of mistaken identity. Got you mixed up with someone else sorry.

---

No apology needed ... I just couldn't understand what you meant ..

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Drarin

So, if it was never hooked up, and its been hidden in the game files for years, and its not consistent with the game lore, and there was no problem with the regular Bilbo, why did it get added now?

---

Cause its better looking bilbo? (besides the beard), also cause they like to update the game when/where they can, just like they been doing with other graphics on landscape like they did with bree-land, shire etc.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Drarin

So, if it was never hooked up, and its been hidden in the game files for years, and its not consistent with the game lore, and there was no problem with the regular Bilbo, why did it get added now?

---

Yeah, it does seem a little strange that before they implemented the "new and improved" Bilbo NOBODY said, "Um, hold on everyone...this one's got a beard."

Ah well, I guess we can just be thankful some of them still remember who Bilbo is. :cool:

I love the "new" old Bilbo. <3 And cmon guys, he is really old now! He deserves a grey beard!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Drarin

So, if it was never hooked up, and its been hidden in the game files for years, and its not consistent with the game lore, and there was no problem with the regular Bilbo, why did it get added now?

---

My guess is that despite the art work gone into the new Bilbo (although years ago), it probably wasn't added because it doesn't fit with lore. There had to be some reason why all that work time got wasted by not adding it back then, and I think that may have been it.

Maybe it got added now and the beard was simply not noticed. I have to be honest, and I didn't notice it until I saw this thread.

But now it's been raised and everyone knows about it, I see the new Bilbo making a swift trip to the Barber, sometime during the downtime before a near patch.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arnenna

My guess is that despite the art work gone into the new Bilbo (although years ago), it probably wasn't added because it doesn't fit with lore. There had to be some reason why all that work time got wasted by not adding it back then, and I think that may have been it.

Maybe it got added now and the beard was simply not noticed. I have to be honest, and I didn't notice it until I saw this thread.

But now it's been raised and everyone knows about it, I see the new Bilbo making a swift trip to the Barber, sometime during the downtime before a near patch.

---

Yeah, servers goes down for four hours just to allow Bilbo visit Barber:)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Elmagor

Yeah, servers goes down for four hours just to allow Bilbo visit Barber:)

---

And he comes back with braids and a goatee! :rolleyes:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Narthalion

And he comes back with braids and a goatee! :rolleyes:

---

Or perhaps ...

https://i.imgur.com/5W26DBk.jpg

Distracted from LI issues much?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TharbadThief

Or perhaps ... https://i.imgur.com/5W26DBk.jpg

---

Win.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by auximenes

Win.

---

Don't forget about rainbow nails and piercing in nose

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hendambar

Distracted from LI issues much?

---

Since the Devs won't seem to respond to that HUGE issue: "The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter." -Mark Twain

At that age he deserves to let himself go a bit around his birthday.

Lhaereth's plague plans thwarted might still have us all growing beards.