Premade Imbued Legendary Items

One of the critical points in making an imbued LI is that it's a considerable investment in time/money. Ideally we'd have obtained all the legacy scrolls to fill in the gaps of wanted legacies and level it to 30 to open up 6 legacy slots, add a seventh, adjust legacies and bump the max to 70, before imbue.

So I have to ask if these premade ILIs come with seven open legacy slots that have already been levelled some way, requiring just a few clicks to select wanted ranked up legacies? Just the idea of any random legacies pre selected and levelled up seems incongruous.

Do they also have any Star-lit contributions above the free stats of a player made ILI?

I would instead have implemented an LI along with the necessary resources (crystals, remembrance, heritage runes, title, possibly relics) bound to char to make it into the ILI the player would want.

Will this beta expose this item for testers who have not yet purchased the expansion?

I can't help but think that this new item has been created specifically for those who haven't a clue how to make an ILI properly and by supplying a premade one gives them less reason to understand the nuances, dumbing down further.

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Originally Posted by Ballie

One of the critical points in making an imbued LI is that it's a considerable investment in time/money. Ideally we'd have obtained all the legacy scrolls to fill in the gaps of wanted legacies and level it to 30 to open up 6 legacy slots, add a seventh, adjust legacies and bump the max to 70, before imbue.

So I have to ask if these premade ILIs come with seven open legacy slots that have already been levelled some way, requiring just a few clicks to select wanted ranked up legacies? Just the idea of any random legacies pre selected and levelled up seems incongruous.

Do they also have any Star-lit contributions above the free stats of a player made ILI?

I would instead have implemented an LI along with the necessary resources (crystals, remembrance, heritage runes, title, possibly relics) bound to char to make it into the ILI the player would want.

Will this beta expose this item for testers who have not yet purchased the expansion?

I can't help but think that this new item has been created specifically for those who haven't a clue how to make an ILI properly and by supplying a premade one gives them less reason to understand the nuances, dumbing down further.

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I have no doubt the product result will create the conclusion you have determined.

The most ridiculous thing is that it's a second age LI.. Even though it will have higher tiers of legacies, we most likely will need to spend lots of Money/LP/SOE/Crystals to get it maxed out. And i would never spend anything on this if it isn't BIS... It should at least be a FA LI.

You can now barter for selection packages of Imbued Legendary Items from Tybur in the basement of the Eyes & Guard Tavern. Use the package to select the Legendary Item you would like, then use the item in your inventory to add an already Imbued Legendary Item with Relics, Title, Unlocked Tiers, and Earned Levels to your Legendary Items. NOTE: You must have a free Legendary Items slot, and this process does take a bit of time.

Please post any feedback regarding these in this thread. If you run into any issues with these or think legacies or relics should be changed let us know!

i suppose the biggest question is: where are these going to come from with the xpack itself? since this is the first i can remember seeing about them; they weren't on the announcement that i recall.

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Originally Posted by Rielthiere

i suppose the biggest question is: where are these going to come from with the xpack itself? since this is the first i can remember seeing about them; they weren't on the announcement that i recall.

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They are included in the 120 Valar package.

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Originally Posted by Hephburz-2

They are included in the 120 Valar package.

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ahh cheers, i'd forgotten about that. for some reason i was making the assumption everyone was getting them lol.

not fully awake today, despite it being mid-afternoon.

Just tested a huntsman 2nd age bow:

Good that you can select an LI for the build it's for. Selected legacies came out the same as one of my main hunter's choices, and one apart from an alt's. There are too many good legacies to pick from for huntsman bows anyway.

Changing an imbued legacy reduced it's rank to 71 so wasn't so much to max it again with ixp.

The auto made ILI ranked up to 74 in all 7 legacies, 5 off max. Crystals were only 3 off max. Delving pre applied too. I altered the relics and title to match my 1st ager. Skill Tool tips showed the same damage ranges but the 1st ager did state slightly higher weapon range and DPS. No serious parses made to discover DPS limits but on the face of it not a lot of difference between 1st and 2nd agers. Class LIs with extra stats might make a larger difference though. Given the pure MC cost to max a 1st ager in the region of $300 I'd wonder how much this item would be priced at; providing a short cut but not to undermine players' years of effort. If it is to be contained within the 120 valar item then it's far to generous, please don't throw your money away, have it as an extra purchase in the store.

Given that the end product is close to a 1st ager why not just make it a first ager otherwise it just highlights the wielder as a short cutter/whale?? And if someone really wants to maximize their class ILI then they will need to make one the hard way anyway.

I did the test with champion´s weapons. The result can be seen in this screenshot. E&G pre-imbued weapons and runes to the left and my own to the right.

https://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/4...1571259077.jpg

The first concern is that you can´t choose between 1h and 2h weapon. It´s always 2h for blue line and 1h for red and yellow which is not the best option for all lines.
Concerning the legacies one can see, that there are many legacies I also choose for my own weapons, but in some cases (no Battle Frenzy CD reduction at all an no Critical Multiplier on the yellow weapon) I strongly disagree with the choice. And then there is the Relentless/Remorseless Strikes Damage-legacy on the yellow weapon which is a complete failure as you only get these skills when you are in red line.

In conclusion: good idea, but it needs some fine tuning.

Please make it FA instead...

I think if they are FA then they end up selling them in the Store, people are gonna moan about P2W.
People keep on saying there is very little difference between SA and FA.
As seen in the other post, those that want 6 LIs are going to level the FA anyway, these are just meant to be an improvement on the totally useless 3A we got in previous Valars where you were thrown into the new content without a useable weapon/class item. I think these SA fulfill that.
But if people want the Rolls Royce of LI then /shrug . It would make the price jump from Basic to Intermediate / Ultimate more justifiable.

It's redundant if it's a second ager that when fully maxed is just shy of a first ager. It'll allow you to get started which is nice compared to the old Valar packages, but still means you have to do the entire LI grind from scratch somewhere down the line anyway to get an FA...

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Originally Posted by Schaijian

I did the test with champion´s weapons. The result can be seen in this screenshot. E&G pre-imbued weapons and runes to the left and my own to the right.

https://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/4...1571259077.jpg

The first concern is that you can´t choose between 1h and 2h weapon. It´s always 2h for blue line and 1h for red and yellow which is not the best option for all lines.
Concerning the legacies one can see, that there are many legacies I also choose for my own weapons, but in some cases (no Battle Frenzy CD reduction at all an no Critical Multiplier on the yellow weapon) I strongly disagree with the choice. And then there is the Relentless/Remorseless Strikes Damage-legacy on the yellow weapon which is a complete failure as you only get these skills when you are in red line.

In conclusion: good idea, but it needs some fine tuning.

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Battle Frenzy should be on every tree's ILI. This is like getting gear already slotted with essence that just doesn't work for you.

Still think an ILI levelled with 7 open legacy slots to fill is the way to go. I'm dreading copying over other classes now, especially chars regularly using swappies. But 50 MC is a small price to pay to switch compared to grinding out another ILI.

Are the legacies random and I just got super lucky with the bow?

I have too many hybrids and niche builds for this mechanic, lucky I have my ILIs maxed already.

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Originally Posted by Ballie

Battle Frenzy should be on every tree's ILI. This is like getting gear already slotted with essence that just doesn't work for you.

Still think an ILI levelled with 7 open legacy slots to fill is the way to go. I'm dreading copying over other classes now, especially chars regularly using swappies. But 50 MC is a small price to pay to switch compared to grinding out another ILI.

Are the legacies random and I just got super lucky with the bow?

I have too many hybrids and niche builds for this mechanic, lucky I have my ILIs maxed already.

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I agree, 7 open slots would be the best option.

I dis my test twice and got the same legacies for all runes and weapons in both cases so it should not be random which legacies one gets.

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Originally Posted by Schaijian

I agree, 7 open slots would be the best option.

I dis my test twice and got the same legacies for all runes and weapons in both cases so it should not be random which legacies one gets.

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lol, just logged in to confirm, exactly the same legacies on another bow.

Maybe also needs a load of bound to char accessories: title picker box, ixp pills, relic picker boxes.

These choices will tell us how much the devs know about particular classes if their choices are off the mark. None play champ it seems, hence the lack of love...

Man Hunter mainhand option is Dagger, no crossbow choice either. You want to at least make use of a weapon class trait or some other choices, I like clubs myself.

Ouch, default damage title came out as common

Hunter with a relic giving block? Melee weapon get a striking rune, but not the bow? Power restore legacies on a build that just doesn't run low on power anymore? A stance switch legacy, yuk. More pointers on how bad the blue traits were left on the last pass I suppose...

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Originally Posted by LotroVidz

The most ridiculous thing is that it's a second age LI.. Even though it will have higher tiers of legacies, we most likely will need to spend lots of Money/LP/SOE/Crystals to get it maxed out. And i would never spend anything on this if it isn't BIS... It should at least be a FA LI.

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The "Age" of an imbued LI is purely cosmetic. Several online player guides to imbuement confirm there is no difference in performance/dps between MAXED IMBUED LIs of First, Second, and Third ages. The cost of maxing via scrolls or mithril is likewise the same.

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Originally Posted by Ballie

lol, just logged in to confirm, exactly the same legacies on another bow.

Maybe also needs a load of bound to char accessories: title picker box, ixp pills, relic picker boxes.

These choices will tell us how much the devs know about particular classes if their choices are off the mark. None play champ it seems, hence the lack of love...

Man Hunter mainhand option is Dagger, no crossbow choice either. You want to at least make use of a weapon class trait or some other choices, I like clubs myself.

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I now did tests for my guardian and my minstrel as well.

guardian: https://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/b...1571264174.jpg
pre-imbued LI in the top row

In blue line it´s mostly good choices (perhaps even more useful on the weapon then mine as I still have might on it from times when might wasn´t useless). On the belt I only disagree with one legacy (Stoic Bubble Strenght instead of Warrior´s Heart Healing). The red weapon has some odd choices with two crit rating legacies which, but is otherwise ok. The red belt has one legacy I would definetly not choose (Guardian´s Ward Parry Rating), but is otherwise ok, too.

minstrel: https://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/7...1571264593.jpg
pre-imbued LI in the top row

I only compared blue line LI as I am not really familiar with red line.
The pre-imbued weapon uses exactly the same legacies as I use and on the songbook it´s only one legacy that is different: Healing Skills Power Cost instead of Anthem of Composure (Tactical Mits).


Minstrel and guardian are mostly ok in the choice of legacies, but as above mentioned, for champions there are some big flaws.

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Originally Posted by Schaijian

I now did tests for my guardian and my minstrel as well.

guardian: https://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/b...1571264174.jpg
pre-imbued LI in the top row

In blue line it´s mostly good choices (perhaps even more useful on the weapon then mine as I still have might on it from times when might wasn´t useless). On the belt I only disagree with one legacy (Stoic Bubble Strenght instead of Warrior´s Heart Healing). The red weapon has some odd choices with two crit rating legacies which, but is otherwise ok. The red belt has one legacy I would definetly not choose (Guardian´s Ward Parry Rating), but is otherwise ok, too.

minstrel: https://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/7...1571264593.jpg
pre-imbued LI in the top row

I only compared blue line LI as I am not really familiar with red line.
The pre-imbued weapon uses exactly the same legacies as I use and on the songbook it´s only one legacy that is different: Healing Skills Power Cost instead of Anthem of Composure (Tactical Mits).


Minstrel and guardian are mostly ok in the choice of legacies, but as above mentioned, for champions there are some big flaws.

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Healing power cost when we have traits to actually generate power whilst healing in blue...

With the mini strongest if traiting down to sharing a story in other builds hybrids are the only way to go so this really is too basic, with no choices.

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Originally Posted by Ballie

Healing power cost when we have traits to actually generate power whilst healing in blue...

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Ignore the primary legacy on that. Look at the secondary of it.

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Originally Posted by ChromiteSwiftpaw

Ignore the primary legacy on that. Look at the secondary of it.

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Been so long since I ran heal build but at the time 8% on a lacklustre AE HOT and 2 min CD didn't do it for me. FH got a boost after I stopped grouping ofc.

Red is too much fun to go heal peeps :)

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Originally Posted by Herwegur

The "Age" of an imbued LI is purely cosmetic. Several online player guides to imbuement confirm there is no difference in performance/dps between MAXED IMBUED LIs of First, Second, and Third ages. The cost of maxing via scrolls or mithril is likewise the same.

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Not entirely accurate for 2 handers and class item there are additional passives on first age items compaired to second age.

Although for a one handed weapon you're correct there is no difference between any X age of a fully imbuded LI with maxed starlits applied

Huge improvement compared to the LIs we got from the 105 Valar! The second age LI pretty much lets you jump into the action right away without having to spend time grinding to max the LI.
It does need some tuning however.


Q: Who gets the second age and who gets the third age items? Does the new 120 Valar give you both?

I main hunter so those are the ones I checked on Bullroarer.

Hunter's Incomparable Imbued Bow - Huntsman

https://imgur.com/89usRdnhttps://imgur.com/89usRdn https://i.imgur.com/89usRdn.png?1

Legacies:
Too many great DPS legacies for hunter and swappies are required for optimal DPS so these will do fine when starting out.

Weapon tittle:
The stats are minimal and don't matter much BUT the damage type is VERY important. Please switch the weapon tittle so it deals Beleriand or Westernesse damage.

Relics:

• The setting is obviously wrong here. Hunters cannot block (yet?). Change to imbued setting of brutality.
• The imbued rune of force is great but it should be on the main hand LI (dagger) not on the bow. Instead have the Vales Rune of Striking on the bow. The hunter's damage comes from the bow attacks so this is where the base dmg modifier should be.

Hunter's Incomparable Imbued Dagger - Huntsman

https://i.imgur.com/EVq6oQA.png

Legacies:

• Most legacies are fine
• Stance: Precision finesse is quite useless. Could switch it for stat legacies (agi/fate/vit).

Weapon tittle:
No weapon tittle on main hand LI? Not sure if working as intended or missing but at least the damage type is Beleriand.

Relics:

• Another block setting. Change to imbued setting of brutality.
• Rune type is fine but should be on legendary bow not on weapon. See above.

Hunter's Incomparable Imbued Bow - Bowmaster

https://i.imgur.com/esTArsa.png

Legacies:
Change focus bow power cost for heart seeker damage.

Weapon tittle:
Just like the Huntsman bow, switch the weapon tittle so it deals Beleriand or Westernesse damage.

Relic:
Swap Rune of force with Rune of striking.

Hunter's Incomparable Imbued Bow - Trapper of Foes

https://i.imgur.com/kEN3xGg.png

Weapon tittle:
Just like the Huntsman bow, switch the weapon tittle so it deals Beleriand or Westernesse damage.

Relic:
Outgoing healing rune is wrong here. Switch it for the Vales rune of striking.

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Originally Posted by Ballie

Been so long since I ran heal build but at the time 8% on a lacklustre AE HOT and 2 min CD didn't do it for me. FH got a boost after I stopped grouping ofc.

Red is too much fun to go heal peeps :)

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Some people raid :-P

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Originally Posted by ChromiteSwiftpaw

Some people raid :-P

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So I'll always have those memories of raiding from 50 to 75.

That peeps can buy a serviceable ILI and a boost to 120 without a clue doesn't give me any reason to start up again.

Due to a bug discovered during testing we have disabled the Pre-made Imbued Legendary Item packages for the duration of this Preview.

You will still be able to barter for the package, you will not be able to use the package to create the LI.