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I personally love Blue line for the feel of the non-induction/focus spender skill flow. Precision stance, mass pen shot spam (alternating with barrage), using free cast proc on HS and Swiftbow free...

I've had more time to mull over the changes, specifically thinking about yellow. I think as a tree it lacks in value, not necessarily identity. Unfortunately I don't think that the identity it has /...

Blue staying as is sounds fine to me.


I like the direction of Red, interested to see how it'll feel to play.
Can you please clarify "Brutal Charge: Moves to the capstone slow of granted traits...

Some interesting ideas here, siege elements reminds me alot of GW2 and ESO openworld faction pvp. I think some of that works really well in those games, I'm open to seeing how it plays out here.
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Was just doing some testing on Brawler. The trait OverHand Smash - Incoming Healing Debuff doesn't apply correctly. The trait tiers say 10, 20, 30%. What it actually does is only 5, 10, 20%.
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I edited my original post on page 1 instead of copy pasting the wall of text again. I added in my experience with Hunter doing T10 delvings in green, ilvl 465 t1 gundabad E&G vendor gear.

Day 2 Edits/additions in Red.

Before they Bond mission: String error in quest text. After clearing npc's scout shows up but you can't talk to them. Reran it a few times at different tiers and same...

Having a bit of a hard time understanding you, I'll respond to what I think I can.





This we agree upon. In an open world pvp space it would take drastic and likely damaging changes to do...

As you've correctly pointed out everyone's experience in the 'moors is subjective. We all don't have the same experience and so draw different conclusions. SSG would alone have the insight that can...

Okay well I'm glad we could get on the same page here. I think written format is always tricky for understanding intent, I wish there was more/easier ways for communication here orally. Personally I...

In what you quoted there I specifically acknowledge discord as part of the community and an avenue that facilitates communication with SSG. I also specifically say that while I don't always keep up...

Yea this sounds great. The changes proposed should hopefully make it easier to get into this type of action, not have it be the only type of action. I want the ecosystem of all group sizes (and solo)...

Yes, also addressed in my post, although briefly. Orion has spoke to changes in this regard, starting with things like EC/OC moving back to where they were, and has stated plans on creating more...

You are right, nothing can prevent coordination. It's not about entirely removing people who like to coordinate or removing these big groups. Say for example there are opposing groups doing things...

Other people posting in the thread don't speak for me, and them posting here doesn't mean I automatically agree. I've documented all my thoughts as detailed as I could and tried to explain my point...

Let me take a step back. I apologize for being dismissive.

I think there is just a misunderstanding here Kate. This isn't about stopping Raid vs Raid from happening. No one is trying to dictate...

Yea I saw that they added that, I watched a portion of them using it yesterday.



Well fortunately I have provided a 6000 word dissertation at the top of the thread that explains why I think it...

There is nothing inherently wrong with preferring to raid in the 'moors. The problem is the fact that those who want 1v1's or 6v6's have to arrange it in order for it to happen at all. PvMP just...

First to note on Discord communication vs forums.

I don't think it's ever a bad thing for there to be multiple avenues to communicate. Discord chat channels serve great in the avenue of short...

Of course not. I addressed it in this section here.
"Now the game is different 10+ years later, so while this is the most important piece above all there may be a bit more needed to get it to a...

I totally get that this is just the reality of the situation. My expectations are tempered and adjusted around that. There never really is a finish line that gets crossed, rather constant iteration...

Buckle up, this is a long one.

Obligatory I am not an expert, nor a game dev etc, etc. I also don't pretend to think there is a single change that can fix everything. It's also not possible to...

Thank you, I figured as much. I'm not personally upset by that, only trying to provide insight to it from the player PoV.

I agree a change is needed for sure. I edited my post to add more context...

I think a change is certainly warranted for balance but in a slightly different direction might feel a little better. Champs get kited super hard with little to no way to gap close unless they use...

Hey Orion!
To start, I’m not a game-dev and won’t understand all the intricacies behind certain decisions but am always interested in hearing the reasoning behind decision making, so feel free to...