Names in Middle-Earth, Quick Guide

[Joviex]

One thing I would love to see in game is the addition of linked wiki style content on things using ME languages.

i.e. If you have a quest to Ost Guruth, then if you roll over Ost Guruth in the quest log text it would provide a translation / pronunciation / definition of the word.

Perhaps another flyout panel when clicked which would provide the historical references of the word.

I do not know how much Turbine is in bed with the foundation on completely using the Lore (I assume 100% since they are putting it all in so...) but I think this is a perfect fit to extend the usefulness and interest in the actual universe to those that are merely casual players, as well as satisfy the deep lore lovers.

[SiSL]

got a webpage PM'd by SeniorKapu, find it interesting to check:

http://councilofelrond.com/modules.p...Content&cid=31

[Thanatos]

Though we can't display our mount names, I figured I would add it to my bio tab. Maybe there will be a better way to name them come Rohan.

How is "Taenthal" for "Long-Foot" or "Lomg-Leg"?
taen <small>II</small> <small>N.</small> [tˈɑɛn] <small>adj.</small> long (and thin) ◇ <small>Ety/391</small>
tâl <small>N.</small> [tˈɑːl] <small>pl.</small> tail <small>S.</small> [tˈɑjl] (teil <small>N.</small>) <small>n.</small> <small>Biol.</small> foot ← <small>tad-dail WJ/388, Ety/390, S/429, S/437, X/EI</small>
Is it constructed properly with the right syllable shift? Since we can't use the extended character set, please ignore the substitution of 'a' for 'â'.

It'd be great if Berephon is able to help again, but a second opinion from anyone familiar with consonant shifts in ending syllables would be appreciated. I have made my best guess, but as some of my other posts in this thread have shown, I mess some of them up.

Thanks!

[Thanatos]

Anyone want help with names for non-elven or Gondorian characters?

(In other words... *bump*, but with some chance of further value.)

[Berephon]

Though we can't display our mount names, I figured I would add it to my bio tab. Maybe there will be a better way to name them come Rohan.

How is "Taenthal" for "Long-Foot" or "Lomg-Leg"?
taen <small>II</small> <small>N.</small> [tˈɑɛn] <small>adj.</small> long (and thin) ◇ <small>Ety/391</small>
tâl <small>N.</small> [tˈɑːl] <small>pl.</small> tail <small>S.</small> [tˈɑjl] (teil <small>N.</small>) <small>n.</small> <small>Biol.</small> foot ← <small>tad-dail WJ/388, Ety/390, S/429, S/437, X/EI</small>
Is it constructed properly with the right syllable shift? Since we can't use the extended character set, please ignore the substitution of 'a' for 'â'.

It'd be great if Berephon is able to help again, but a second opinion from anyone familiar with consonant shifts in ending syllables would be appreciated. I have made my best guess, but as some of my other posts in this thread have shown, I mess some of them up.

Thanks!

That would translate to Taendal (Long and Thin Foot). T mutates to d at the beginning of final elements in a compound.

Just plain Long Foot would be Andal (And + Tâl).

[Berephon]

First off...love the thread. Great stuff going on here and would to see it go further. Without the proper knowledge of the languages of Middle Earth, I could take a swing at creating names for my toons and never quite get it right, which will bug me to no end.

So here is what I would like. I am shortly going to roll a burglar and would like him to have a good name. I have spent well over a week contemplating choices and can come up with nothing solid.

Now, I have become well known as Gurthag on Nimrodel. I would like to run with this, and show my wargs name within my burglar's. I believe Gordraug is very close to meaning "Wolf of Fear/Dread" or "Dread Wolf". Until I am corrected, this has become my warg's surname.

I would like to integrate that into my burglar's name, and add the title of Master or Owner to it somehow. Something like Master of the Dread Wolf. I have tossed around different combinations but it all sounds so dead on my tongue.

So if anyone out there can toss me a bone, it would be greatly appreciated.

Gordraug would indeed be Wolf of Fear (Gôr "Fear" + Draug "Wolf") Edit: Adding Master would make it Gordraugdúr or possibly (though I would have to research it) Túrgordraug.

[CortexWayne]

I have a small question for you Jonathan.

I stumble upon Daeronn (2 'n') a 2 H club they other day. I remembered that Daeron (1 'n') was a LM/Minst in LotR. But why does the club have 2 'n' and do they translate the same? What does it mean?

Sorry for my poor english.

Martin

[Berephon]

I have a small question for you Jonathan.

I stumble upon Daeronn (2 'n') a 2 H club they other day. I remembered that Daeron (1 'n') was a LM/Minst in LotR. But why does the club have 2 'n' and do they translate the same? What does it mean?

Sorry for my poor english.

Martin

Daeron is daer (Great) + the -on suffix...basically comes out to Great Man.

At my best guess, Daeronn is daer (Great) + grond (Club)...That would actually come out Daeron, as well, but I'm guessing we added the extra "n" to avoid potential rights issues. I don't think that's one I actually named.

[Dinara]

I need some help....
Can anyone make some suggestions for a Surname for a Hobbit Minstrel that gets lost easily? She does have a sense of direction, but still get lost quite easily.
I thought of "Everlost" but that's too much. She's not always lost, just "gets lost" on the way to her destination.
Sindarian is ok, cause she has spent most of her life with elves, and it would be fitting that they gave her an honarary name

[Thanatos]

I need some help....
Can anyone make some suggestions for a Surname for a Hobbit Minstrel that gets lost easily? She does have a sense of direction, but still get lost quite easily.
I thought of "Everlost" but that's too much. She's not always lost, just "gets lost" on the way to her destination.
Sindarian is ok, cause she has spent most of her life with elves, and it would be fitting that they gave her an honarary name

A last name in the sense of a kenning, rather than an actual family name, right?

Maybe keep more earthy, which seems fitting for hobbits... and if it's distraction that causes you to get lost rather than just having a poor sense of direction, you could tweak it a bit to use a related but slightly more positive word.

Maybe: Wanderfoot?

After all, not all who wander are lost... but some of them may be.

rain <small>II</small> <small>S.</small> [rˈɑjn] (rein <small>II</small> <small>S.</small>) <small>n.</small> erratic wandering ◇ <small>VT/42:13</small>
tâl <small>N.</small> [tˈɑːl] <small>pl.</small> tail <small>S.</small> [tˈɑjl] (teil <small>N.</small>) <small>n.</small> <small>Biol.</small> foot ← <small>tad-dail WJ/388, Ety/390, S/429, S/437, X/EI</small>


y So in Sindarin, "Wandering Foot" would be Raindal, I think, since Berephon just gave us help on the consonant shift for "tâl". (Thank you once more for your assistance Berephon!)

I think the "rain" part is likely related to "randir", the word for wanderer/pilgrim, as in Mithrandir.

[edwinunger]

Everwander, Pathloser, Unsurefoot... Just putting stuff together.

Ui is ever, so if you like Sindarin, you could be Uirandir, Ever Wanderer.

[CortexWayne]

Thanks a lot Jonathan, I would never have come to "grond" by myself and the extra 'n' was kinda weird looking.

So thanks a lot again.

Martin

[Berephon]

Everwander, Pathloser, Unsurefoot... Just putting stuff together.

Ui is ever, so if you like Sindarin, you could be Uirandir, Ever Wanderer.

Or Uiron (Ever-straying)

[Kanoroch]

Wondering if Heruangren is appropriate.

Meant for it to mean Lord of Iron. I figured Heru would come first due to examples such as Herumor and Herunumen. The one I'm worried about is Angren. I'm not sure when its appropriate to use Angren and when to use Ang.

[Dinara]

Or Uiron (Ever-straying)

Everwander, Pathloser, Unsurefoot... Just putting stuff together.

Ui is ever, so if you like Sindarin, you could be Uirandir, Ever Wanderer.

A last name in the sense of a kenning, rather than an actual family name, right?

Maybe keep more earthy, which seems fitting for hobbits... and if it's distraction that causes you to get lost rather than just having a poor sense of direction, you could tweak it a bit to use a related but slightly more positive word.

Maybe: Wanderfoot?

After all, not all who wander are lost... but some of them may be.

rain <SMALL>II</SMALL> <SMALL>S.</SMALL> [rˈɑjn] (rein <SMALL>II</SMALL> <SMALL>S.</SMALL>) <SMALL>n.</SMALL> erratic wandering ◇ <SMALL>VT/42:13</SMALL>
tâl <SMALL>N.</SMALL> [tˈɑːl] <SMALL>pl.</SMALL> tail <SMALL>S.</SMALL> [tˈɑjl] (teil <SMALL>N.</SMALL>) <SMALL>n.</SMALL> <SMALL>Biol.</SMALL> foot ← <SMALL>tad-dail WJ/388, Ety/390, S/429, S/437, X/EI</SMALL>


y So in Sindarin, "Wandering Foot" would be Raindal, I think, since Berephon just gave us help on the consonant shift for "tâl". (Thank you once more for your assistance Berephon!)

I think the "rain" part is likely related to "randir", the word for wanderer/pilgrim, as in Mithrandir.

Thanks guys! These are great!
She doesn't get lost on purpose or because of being distracted, still can't go from Rivendell to the Ford without getting lost after a year of playing

[Berephon]

Wondering if Heruangren is appropriate.

Meant for it to mean Lord of Iron. I figured Heru would come first due to examples such as Herumor and Herunumen. The one I'm worried about is Angren. I'm not sure when its appropriate to use Angren and when to use Ang.

Lord of Iron would be Angaran, Angbrannon, Angheron, Anghir, or Angdur.

[Schildawg73]

I was wondering if Aragorn's name "Estel" is in any way related to "Esteldin?"

[Berephon]

I was wondering if Aragorn's name "Estel" is in any way related to "Esteldin?"

Not directly. Estel means hope (faith)...Esteldín is basically Place of Hope (Faith), but is not referring directly to Aragorn.

[firedancer731]

This is really cool. My name is Aryadal, so the Ar means Royalty essentially. I would love to know what the rest of it means. "Dal" was a suffix listed in LOTRO when I first set up my character so surely it has to come from somewhere.

[Wreckloose]

Great stuff SiSL. This thread gets my vote for becoming sticky.

[Thehunter]

Any info on the name Pelegond?
I know it was the name of a ranger (hence why I picked it) but I don't know anything else about it.

[TheWestender]

I've created a Kinship called Uruve Ohtai, it's a Quenya title...is anyone able to tell me if i've translated this correctly? It's suppose to mean Fiery Warriors.

[Forjo]

I'm almost afraid to ask this, but I will.

Does Forjo translate to anything? It's not based on anything LOTR -- I made it up a few years ago for another game. It is based on something personal, but I'd like to know if it means anything in a Tolkien language.

Awesome thread, by the way. Thanks for all of your help Jonathan.

Thanks again!

-Forjo

[Berephon]

This is really cool. My name is Aryadal, so the Ar means Royalty essentially. I would love to know what the rest of it means. "Dal" was a suffix listed in LOTRO when I first set up my character so surely it has to come from somewhere.

Unfortunately, the breakdowns in the Char Gen screens were more to help make names that *sound* lore-appropriate. the -dal ending was very likely just part of an element common in Sindarin names.

You are correct about Ar- -- it's "Noble"

There isn't a -ya, however. Sorry.

[Berephon]

Any info on the name Pelegond?
I know it was the name of a ranger (hence why I picked it) but I don't know anything else about it.

That would be Fenced Stone or Stone Fence.