Windfola Wartabs

[Erazer_The_Stalker]

Wartab of a solo warg :



Highlights :

Average infamy per kill : 140
Kill to KB ratio : 1.4

[Bluenote44]

My Rating is to high i feel so dirty. Also i got Reavers Enemy WAAAAY before lotro ruined the killing blow deeds.

[Roddrildun]

Wartab of a solo warg :



Highlights :

Average infamy per kill : 140
Kill to KB ratio : 1.4

Sorry, tagging 1v1s does not count as soloing.

[DarvaI]

Sorry, tagging 1v1s does not count as soloing.

You know nothing Jon Snow.
That's how I ranked 12 toons. -crum

[Erazer_The_Stalker]

Sorry, tagging 1v1s does not count as soloing.

Unfortunately wargs do not have skills to heal tag grams camps. Otherwise I would have 'soloed' just like you do. While on the topic of tagging kills, try making 140 infamy per kill by tagging someone else's kills.

There is quite a big difference between tagging a 1 v 1 and killing someone that is at full morale just standing around watching the 1v1s. Atleast get your facts right.

[Roddrildun]

There is quite a big difference between tagging a 1 v 1 and killing someone that is at full morale just standing around watching the 1v1s. Atleast get your facts right.

LOL not sure you really helped your case there. Either way, you're messing up 1v1s instead of just learning your class well enough to 1v1 like a big boy.

[Erazer_The_Stalker]

LOL not sure you really helped your case there.

I am quite aware of what I say. I do not jump 1v1s or jump someone that is low on morale after a 1v1. But if there is someone that is just standing around watching fights, they are fair game to me.

Either way, you're messing up 1v1s instead of just learning your class well enough to 1v1 like a big boy.

Obviously you do not understand that no one will get an average 140 infamy per kill or a kill to kb ratio of 1.4 without getting their majority of kills in a 1v1.

As for your comments about being a 'big boy', I see that you have a warg. Why don't you come out on that warg and show me how the 'big boy' does his 1 v 1s. Or are you only a big boy when you play a minstrel ?

[Roddrildun]

As for your comments about being a 'big boy', I see that you have a warg. Why don't you come out on that warg and show me how the 'big boy' does his 1 v 1s. Or are you only a big boy when you play a minstrel ?

Come to Vilya and I'll most certainly show how to warg. But I would venture to guess that you're not into the whole "challenging yourself to learn your class" thing, so Windfola is a good fit for you. As for not jumping people low on morale, I'm pretty sure we killed you what, 3 times? maybe 4?, when you kept trying to gank 1v1s yesterday. And yes, you did gank low morale players. But nice try, let's keep it honest here.

[Erazer_The_Stalker]

Come to Vilya and I'll most certainly show how to warg. But I would venture to guess that you're not into the whole "challenging yourself to learn your class" thing, so Windfola is a good fit for you. As for not jumping people low on morale, I'm pretty sure we killed you what, 3 times? maybe 4?, when you kept trying to gank 1v1s yesterday. And yes, you did gank low morale players. But nice try, let's keep it honest here.

I thought you atleast had the class to stick to the truth while making accusations. Apparently you don't. So let me tell you exactly what happened.

Freeps had 4 blue outposts and there were 6 freeps waiting at GTA wanting to 1 v 1. The freeps that were present were :

1. Grimbeast (guard)
2. DarussianJuggernaut (guard)
3. Gleckto (minstrel)
4. Stalian (burg)
5. Thenightmares (burg)
6. Shimmering (LM)

Grimbeast and Grislukzum (reaver) were having a fight and the rest were just standing around. I jumped Shimmering who at that point had full morale, two stacks of WL ticking and her stun immunity. I got her to 1k morale when she popped wisdom and the rest of the freeps started focus firing on me. I hipsed and moved out and watched Grislukzum getting killed about 3-4 times by Grimbeast while the rest of the freeps were just standing there watching the fight. I never got killed nor did I jump anyone again since I knew I wouldn't be able to burn through any of the freeps before 6 freeps could burn through me.

In between the fights Gris was having with Grimbeast, he announced in OOC that there were freeps waiting at GTA wanting to have 1 v 1s. One of the other reavers named Reaverzerg mapped into GTA and got ganked by the freeps who were apparently waiting for someone to fight. Reaverzerg complained about this in OOC and then logged off.

But I would venture to guess that you're not into the whole "challenging yourself to learn your class" thing, so Windfola is a good fit for you.

LOL. That is just priceless. Coming from a minstrel, especially a grams camp heal tagging minstrel.

And yes, you did gank low morale players.

Post the name of any 1 freep that I jumped when they were at low morale after a 1 v 1 or any player that I jumped while they were engaged in a 1 v 1.

[Roddrildun]

LOL. That is just priceless. Coming from a minstrel, especially a grams camp heal tagging minstrel.

Well, i've played minstrel since long before you showed up in the moors, and I've taken the time to rank a warg when wargs weren't ezmoding failtards like they are now. At any rate, looks like this is turning into a futile QQ fest. Apparently you are refusing to acknowledge the fact that it's a wuss move to gank 1v1's. Didn't have the balls to go after me or Darussian or even one of the burgs for that matter. Had to go after the little LM. Such class from a warg. But looking past that fail, yes, you did try to kill Grim when he was low, and yes, we complete wrecked you for being an idiot. So learn to play your class, stop playing like a wuss, and stop your QQ. I'm out. Back to the wartabs.

[Erazer_The_Stalker]

Well, i've played minstrel since long before you showed up in the moors, and I've taken the time to rank a warg when wargs weren't ezmoding failtards like they are now. At any rate, looks like this is turning into a futile QQ fest. Apparently you are refusing to acknowledge the fact that it's a wuss move to gank 1v1's. Didn't have the balls to go after me or Darussian or even one of the burgs for that matter. Had to go after the little LM. Such class from a warg. But looking past that fail, yes, you did try to kill Grim when he was low, and yes, we complete wrecked you for being an idiot. So learn to play your class, stop playing like a wuss, and stop your QQ. I'm out. Back to the wartabs.

I know I do not jump anyone that is low on morale after a 1 v 1 or that is engaging in a 1 v 1. That is enough for me. I don't need to prove anything to the likes of a heal tagging minstrel.

While we are with wartabs, why dont you post the wartab of your warg so that we can see how your warg was 'ranked' up.

Didn't have the balls to go after me or Darussian or even one of the burgs for that matter.

Haha. This part cracks me up. Guys playing classes designed by lotro so that 2 year olds can play and win in computer games talking big. The burgs were fair game and we probably would have had a good fight if the others around wouldn't have interfered.

I hope that Grimbeast can clarify if a warg named Erazer tried to kill him when he was low on morale after a 1 v 1.

[Roddrildun]

Haha. This part cracks me up. Guys playing classes designed by lotro so that 2 year olds can play and win in computer games talking big.

Says the guy playing the warg...I'm sorry, what was that? Something about easy classes? I couldn't hear you over the sound of my ezmoding...

[Bluenote44]

Im not gonna be part of this argument i dont remember if i saw erazer's name but i did see burgkiller's name PLENTY of times if erazer did jump on me not saying he did or didnt it probably got flooded out by burgkiller's failed attempts. Also saying this i played the guardian class LOOOOOOONG before any expansions came out as im one of the older players left out there just thought i'd mention that NOW POST YA DERN WARTABS no more QQ no more he said she said

[Erazer_The_Stalker]

Im not gonna be part of this argument i dont remember if i saw erazer's name but i did see burgkiller's name PLENTY of times if erazer did jump on me not saying he did or didnt it probably got flooded out by burgkiller's failed attempts.

Thanks Grimbeast. If there was a different warg jumping 1 v 1s I can understand the confusion it might have created. I agree, back to wartabs. Hopefully we won't have anymore people throwing accusations around without checking their facts.

[Noldorlord777]

Wartab of a solo warg :



Highlights :

Average infamy per kill : 140
Kill to KB ratio : 1.4

Maybe you will be respected more by both freeps and creeps if you stop macro exploiting. It is such a shame that wargs on windfola need to macro these days because they lack the skill themselves to kill anything solo.

Dont go insulting Dabuk and boasting about your solo "accomplishments" when there are already things on your own plate at fault. Also do not deny not macroing because I have seen you doing it.

~Marz.

[Calastor]

Maybe you will be respected more by both freeps and creeps if you stop macro exploiting. It is such a shame that wargs on windfola need to macro these days because they lack the skill themselves to kill anything solo.

Dont go insulting Dabuk and boasting about your solo "accomplishments" when there are already things on your own plate at fault. Also do not deny not macroing because I have seen you doing it.

~Marz.

You can't macro exploit anymore if you haven't noticed. So I don't know what you're claiming you saw but you're wrong. Even if it's possible never go off what you see animate open CA and look at what skills were thrown in what span of time. For instance you'd be seeing Eye Gouge 15 times in the span of 3s when the skill has a 3s cd. And btw for some of you when I say look at CA for skills I mean actual SKILLs not just # of attacks taken. There's a big difference. He's actually the best warg on windfola right now regardless, but I guess reaching the top will always come with accusations of cheating.

Says the guy playing the warg...I'm sorry, what was that? Something about easy classes? I couldn't hear you over the sound of my ezmoding...

I wouldn't call wargs an ezmode class. It's probably the most balanced creep class for fighting the OP freeps.

[Roddrildun]

You can't macro exploit anymore if you haven't noticed. So I don't know what you're claiming you saw but you're wrong. Even if it's possible never go off what you see animate open CA and look at what skills were thrown in what span of time. For instance you'd be seeing Eye Gouge 15 times in the span of 3s when the skill has a 3s cd. And btw for some of you when I say look at CA for skills I mean actual SKILLs not just # of attacks taken. There's a big difference. He's actually the best warg on windfola right now regardless, but I guess reaching the top will always come with accusations of cheating.



I wouldn't call wargs an ezmode class. It's probably the most balanced creep class for fighting the OP freeps.

1) Yes, you can still macro. They did not fix true macroing. They only fixed the bug that denies cd's between certain skills, but people can still use macro programs in game. Unless they spend a boatload of money to make a hack proof game, if that's even possible, there will always be macroing. And yes, wargs still do macro. 2) Wargs are unbelievably ezmode right now. The amount of dps they can put out, and if they actually know how to play, the amount they can handle, combined with their silly 90s hips and sprint cd, if you're saying wargs aren't ezmode, you're just in denial. Notice how when spiders got OP, everyone had a spider. When reavers became OP everyone had a reaver. Have you paid attention to how many wargs are showing up these days? After U13 I assume more defilers will show up. I'm definitely not saying that everyone that plays a warg is just riding their class, because that's just not true. There are some fantastic wargs in lotro. But they are so easy right now it's just silly.

Edit: P.S. They're still a ton of fun to play, even with how easy they are right now.

[Erazer_The_Stalker]

Maybe you will be respected more by both freeps and creeps if you stop macro exploiting. It is such a shame that wargs on windfola need to macro these days because they lack the skill themselves to kill anything solo.

Dont go insulting Dabuk and boasting about your solo "accomplishments" when there are already things on your own plate at fault. Also do not deny not macroing because I have seen you doing it.

~Marz.

LMAO ! I must be terribly good if the self proclaimed good warg believes that some sort of exploit is needed to accomplish what I do. I consider myself to be a good player but don't consider myself to be that good to have to move servers just to "teach the terrible wargs how to play". I have seen a handful of good wargs on this server who does not have high rank but are very skilled in my opinion - Koproskylos, Membrane, Icestalker to name a few that come to mind. Maybe if you get off your high horse, you might see the skill in them too.

I don't use macro exploits. If I knew how to do this so called 'exploit' I might actually try it.

Please do me a favor and post some screenshots or videos of what you saw so that I get a better understanding of what I am getting accused of.

[Erazer_The_Stalker]

He's actually the best warg on windfola right now regardless, but I guess reaching the top will always come with accusations of cheating.


I wouldn't call wargs an ezmode class. It's probably the most balanced creep class for fighting the OP freeps.

Your feedback is much appreciated Calastor. I know I got wrecked by you when I fought you when I was rank 5. I don't expect the result of the fight to be any different if we were to fight now. I know quality freeps when I fight one.

I don't quite remember the name of the minstrel that arranged my fight with you. If you are still in contact with him, please give him my thanks for giving me a crash course on the various skills freep side has. I believe I have put them to good use.

[Stormchaos]

For the record, Grimbeast is STILL a nubcake

[jfindlay]

For the record Voin is a bigger nubcake....

[jfindlay]

Also.... Props to the new solo warg... We are a dying breed my friend...

[Calastor]

1) Yes, you can still macro. They did not fix true macroing. They only fixed the bug that denies cd's between certain skills, but people can still use macro programs in game. Unless they spend a boatload of money to make a hack proof game, if that's even possible, there will always be macroing. And yes, wargs still do macro. 2) Wargs are unbelievably ezmode right now. The amount of dps they can put out, and if they actually know how to play, the amount they can handle, combined with their silly 90s hips and sprint cd, if you're saying wargs aren't ezmode, you're just in denial. Notice how when spiders got OP, everyone had a spider. When reavers became OP everyone had a reaver. Have you paid attention to how many wargs are showing up these days? After U13 I assume more defilers will show up. I'm definitely not saying that everyone that plays a warg is just riding their class, because that's just not true. There are some fantastic wargs in lotro. But they are so easy right now it's just silly.

Edit: P.S. They're still a ton of fun to play, even with how easy they are right now.

I said macro exploit. Yes you can macro a rotation but it wont be any faster than what you can press. In this situation you still can't claim he's macroing because he could be pressing the buttons at equal speed.
Yes they put out high dps as I said and I think it's a reasonable value. Considering all freep classes now have self heals to some degree and massive dps. Having escape cds don't justify the ezmode class view. Plenty of classes have escape cds on low cds mind you. Just that the only creep class on creepside with solid escape skills(that can be used aggressively) are wargs and arguably weavers. Considering wargs have only one small heal off of Rally Howl and Flayer(with a large dps trade off) which isn't all that great and the extreme squishiness the escape skills are reasonable.Just because it FotM doesn't mean it's ezmode. As you said they're still a ton of fun to play which is an attractive aspect to most people. I'm basing my idea of the wargs's balance off the numbers not on the playstyle of average windfolian wargs.

Essentially what I'm saying is a warg v anything in a 1v1 can go either way based on the skill not luck. It's fair. Reaver's depend to highly on one skill that decideds a win or loss, BAs' dps just doesn't cut it and they have low survivability, Weaver's dps is nonexistent while having survivability and cc which is really meaningless with the amount of self healing and dps freeps have.

[Bluenote44]

OF COURSE!!! im a nub always been always will be hahaha

[Roddrildun]

Yes you can macro a rotation but it wont be any faster than what you can press.

I'm pretty sure we've been over this a dozen times before, but in case you didn't catch it. There's a difference between exploit macros and cast-sequence macros. You can feel free to google it if you don't know the difference. At any rate, the macroing he's mentioning the wargs on Windfola doing is exploit macroing. I see no problem with cast sequence setups, like you said, it rolls through at the same speed. But exploit macros make all your skills execute in the span of about 1.5 seconds. A virtual oneshot. And yes, there are wargs on Windy that still do that, even though it's a bannable offence. So I mean hey, if you want to keep going on about "you can't macro" even though, clearly, you can, feel free to do so. It's already been made clear that Turbine won't do anything about it, no matter how much you show them, so I suppose it's whatever goes out there. Now whether Erazer macros or not, I don't know. I haven't fought him outside of group vs group stuff, really. All I can say is that there are wargs that do it and everybody knows it.