No. The prices in Fangorn are high enough I never bothered to start grinding for a second recipe after getting the helm because I had no desire to do the content that much, especially for a single shot recipe without a guaranteed crit. I would very much like to see it lowered substantially or made a permanent recipe rather than a single shot. It will encourage willingness to do the repeatables more often rather than take one look and say "not worth my time". The only reason I even spent the 400 leaves on the Fanghorn helm is because I was mostly there by the time I finished my rep, since the quieting quests were bugged for me anyway. I ran the Hytbold scholar instance for scrolls rather than grind for 100 leaves for the newer ones, because it just wasn't interesting enough to run repeatedly for so little return. I didn't run any alts through because of the grind. I've had friends say they're not going to do the new area grind the first time through if it's even close to Fangorn numbers.
There has been enough feedback on Bullroarer and with the Fangorn recipes that I would like to see it lowered before release, not sometime afterwards when people are already burnt out and unwilling to go back.
I'd explain it to you, but I'm all out of Puppets and Crayons.
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GLADDEN: Moochy, 105 Minstrel R10 + alts CRICKHOLLOW: Moochy, 21 Minstrel
It's not just about availability and reward, it's about rarity. Clearly there are some things that they, for whatever reason, want to preserve as rarer and more difficult to obtain. People complain about the prices as though it should be a smorgasbord we all get to pick and choose from, but clearly that's not how it was designed. We are meant to make tough decisions about which items we want and we are meant to not be able to afford them all. If something isn't appealing enough to us, we won't put in the effort to get it. Those prices have remained where they are for a long time now, so it would seem that things are falling out about where they intended them to.
I agree with Beaniemooch. The last token grind I did was for Hytbold. I skipped the Wildermore and Fangorn token grinds, and unless the prices are cut, I'll skip the Dol Amroth token grind too. (I don't run Epic Battles since I got through the Epic either). I value my time too much to spend it on an unreasonable amount of repetitive busywork.
If there's something I want badly enough I'll grind for it, otherwise I'll move on to other content. I think that's likely how most people approach such things. I'm sure there's the odd "must have it all" person, just as there's the occasional "won't touch this just on principle" person, but most of us will fall somewhere in between.
I remember reading a passage on The Red Book about a troll that befriend a hobbit (yes! not all trolls were evil) & taugh that hobbit to cook many things specially sweet bakery. Maybe cookies where part of the recetary.
Here is a segment:
The red book of Westmarch, The Adventures of Tom Bombadil, Perry the Winkle, poem number 8
"...When full and tight were coat and skin,
they rested without speech,
till the old Troll said: 'I'll now begin
the baker's art to teach,
the making of beautiful cramsome bread,
of bannocks light and brown;...
...The Winkle a Baker great became,
as still is said in song;
from the Sea to Bree there went the fame
of his bread both short and long.
But it weren't so good as the cramsome bread;
no butter so rich and free,
as Every Thursday the old Troll spread
for Perry-the-Winkle's tea"
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"Did it ever occur to you" is a condescending and passive-aggressive phrase that is often used to make someone feel bad for expressing a thought, and I'm sorry to see Sapience encourage this by calling this 'astute.' For the record, yes, it occurred to me, but what I was reacting to was the logic of implementing high barter prices with the foreknowledge that they might have to be adjusted due to feedback. We are always hearing so much about their vaunted 'data' on these forums -- this just seems a logical situation in which such data would be used. I understand that they probably would rather make the rewards initially less-obtainable than more-obtainable. My concern, though (again, pointing to Hytbold & Entwood), is that the adjustments often come too late, if at all.
I think that the entirety of this quote should be prefaced with one gigantic disclaimer: "In my outsider interpretation of Turbine's internal decision processes..." This isn't to say that you are wrong, but none of us (players) have any privileged insight into exactly why things are designed the way they are, regardless of of any self-appointed forum roles.
With Fangorn it was also very difficult to know if it was intentional or not for a long time. I think Fangorn is the only place I've seen where three different ixp runes were available at the same barter price - which is why I just always thought the were placeholder values that were never updated.
[u][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmEsCKAb7r0"]Sauron vs. Tom Bombadil[/url][/u][COLOR="Red"] [/color][COLOR="Orange"] A fun what-if video I hope brings a smile[/color][COLOR="Red"][/color]
I have to agree with DanteIL because I see (him/her) as only expressing an opinion which is what forums are all about! It is hard to resist however, being arguementive or even condescending when OUR opinions do not match the opinions expressed by others. I know this because I am as quilty in this as anyone else! But I am trying to be fair and considerate to all sides of the issue and hopefully I can extend this attitude beyond the walls of this forum.
As to the matter of pricing these recipes I am neutral. I do however, empathize with people who have expressed concerns like DanteIL. I understand the need for rarity but there is a fine line that it seems is too often crossed when 'having fun' is sacrificed for the sake of keeping stuff rare or gated! Shouldn't "having fun" always be the priorty since that is precisely why most if not all of us are here? Just a thought...
Jorlan
It's always odd when people who allege an implied rudeness respond to that perceived rudeness with blatant, intentionally insulting rudeness.
If there was anything hurtful in my response, it was certainly not by design. I was making what was to me a rather bland observation. Too often we read into the statements of others, that which we expect to see. If you reread that same statement in multiple different ways, you can see that there could be any number of possible intentions behind it. In the interest of harmony it's generally better to give people the benefit of the doubt, or else ask for clarification.
In any case it sounds like the prices are being looked at, so there may be some relief in sight for those bothered by the issue.
I see no "blatant, intentionally insulting rudeness" in the responses to your post.
The passive-aggressiveness of the phrase "did it ever occur to you" is well-known among people who concern themselves with communication theory.
Check out the well-regarded "Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense" books for examples of how to spot similar phrases, and other ways to express yourself if your intent is to be, as you put it, 'rather bland". I'm sure you wouldn't want to offend anyone again, intentionally or otherwise, in the future.
There are many aspects of speech and turns of phrase that people use negatively but, like I said, my intent was not what it was characterized to be. My statement was made with zero ill will. I don't think there's anything to be gained by spinning other people's comments that way. I could see if I was truly being inflammatory or rude but the statement was an innocuous one that didn't deserve the drama.
Let's just get back to the topic at hand.
This thread is for the discussion of the Q&As Frick and others are kind enough to transcribe. It is not for the discussion of how you think each other mean or don't mean something or how you interpret the intention of each others posts. Back on track so I can avoid having to clean this up.
Am I getting confused, shouldn't there be a SHIELD run like on now? I checked server time (says 2.30pm). I am in the UK, am I reading the info wrong somewhere?
"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass."
Officer in the Elders kinship - http://www.theelders.org.uk/
We have left the wandering spark (Gilrain) to find the Song of Gold (Laurelin)...
Weird, I've had Twitch on this whole time, nothing. Maybe I've got an old link?
"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass."
Officer in the Elders kinship - http://www.theelders.org.uk/
We have left the wandering spark (Gilrain) to find the Song of Gold (Laurelin)...
The correct link is here. It could be that you did have the incorrect one because I seem to recall it changing a long while back, pretty early in the TTHTI runs.
"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass."
Officer in the Elders kinship - http://www.theelders.org.uk/
We have left the wandering spark (Gilrain) to find the Song of Gold (Laurelin)...
I just want to give a HUGE shout out to Orodbril, who is doing German translations of the SHIELD transcripts for our fellow German players. Awesome, thanks so much!!
Thanks! I already did it partially with the Hobbit runs, but not until the 10th or something and the last 5ish runs I didn't had enough time for and it created a backlog, so I skipped them. So, I've been doing those kind of translations for a while now starting with BR-Release Notes since U12. Thank you for the shout-out!
Orodbril
PS. @ Sapience I would prefer the current schedule, otherwise it could be hard to keep up, not only the translations, but also the transcripts, especially when they are as long as the Eldar one, which was much shorter in time than the Hobbitruns, but it hasn't really less questions than those.
"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass."
Officer in the Elders kinship - http://www.theelders.org.uk/
We have left the wandering spark (Gilrain) to find the Song of Gold (Laurelin)...