anniversary requires a group for some..

[MerryCav]

going to put myself out there for lots of people to throw dung at but...

I'm a solo player. I have been for 14 years according to my gifts/titles received. This year (after being away a long while) I decided, "oh em gee, I'm going to actually do the scavenger hunt stuff and complete it for the keg!!" (I'm a big housing enthusiast)

Well, that was my plan. I got through the first 10 years of actual scavenger hunts (yay cloak rack!), and then began to peel away at the trifles etc. Still, not having a clue that my level 140 character would be inept, I kept inching my way toward the goal...

Until...I watched in world chat, someone looking for more to finish a raid (draigoch) to unlock something or other. I tabbed out and..omg....sure enough, there is something in year 7 that requires a group to complete no matter the level or skill..

Deflation..that was my happy balloons sinking one by one....

I get "mmo" meaning multiplayer...I get all the arguments for "of course you have to group up to do the hardest things"...but when I'm level capped way beyond that raid and can one shot anything in there......why?

Please, don't make them out of reach of a solo player for some random mechanic who has to stand in one place (who may or may not have paid a bunch of money to buy store items to strengthen themselves...to continue soloing..to escape the grind and just log in and have fun player...I just want to play at my own time/place/pace player) Please let the solo players complete these things too..that's all I'm sayin'. (and /shakesfist at keg...you're not that great anyway..well you are, but...ugh.)

[Neinda]

going to put myself out there for lots of people to throw dung at but...

I'm a solo player. I have been for 14 years according to my gifts/titles received. This year (after being away a long while) I decided, "oh em gee, I'm going to actually do the scavenger hunt stuff and complete it for the keg!!" (I'm a big housing enthusiast)

Well, that was my plan. I got through the first 10 years of actual scavenger hunts (yay cloak rack!), and then began to peel away at the trifles etc. Still, not having a clue that my level 140 character would be inept, I kept inching my way toward the goal...

Until...I watched in world chat, someone looking for more to finish a raid (draigoch) to unlock something or other. I tabbed out and..omg....sure enough, there is something in year 7 that requires a group to complete no matter the level or skill..

Deflation..that was my happy balloons sinking one by one....

I get "mmo" meaning multiplayer...I get all the arguments for "of course you have to group up to do the hardest things"...but when I'm level capped way beyond that raid and can one shot anything in there......why?

Please, don't make them out of reach of a solo player for some random mechanic who has to stand in one place (who may or may not have paid a bunch of money to buy store items to strengthen themselves...to continue soloing..to escape the grind and just log in and have fun player...I just want to play at my own time/place/pace player) Please let the solo players complete these things too..that's all I'm sayin'. (and /shakesfist at keg...you're not that great anyway..well you are, but...ugh.)

For each year you only need to complete one set of quests (Tales, Travels, Triffles) I believe. You should be able to skip the group content quests and still get to the end of anniversary chain. If you are a completionist, that is another story. The Draigoch one is easy. It just needs 6 people to open the instance. Joining a pug for that should not be too bad. Many of the other raid content type quests are soloable if you are a high enough level.

[MerryCav]

The Draigoch one is easy. It just needs 6 people to open the instance. Joining a pug for that should not be too bad.

Sorry, I snipped your quote! but saying "it just needs 6 people" is my issue. I know..lame for most mmo players. But..not me. My post was that I wish the anniversary didn't require 5 others with me to complete. (at level cap..I'm 140 with pretty good gear) Should I be afraid to do with pugs? Prob not..but I am.

[the7hing]

For each year you only need to complete one set of quests (Tales, Travels, Triffles) .

This. Even the "meta" deed, dont require you to compleate all. Just year quest. So its prety much solo friendly.

[MerryCav]

This. Even the "meta" deed, dont require you to compleate all. Just year quest. So its prety much solo friendly.

I don't think so? I completed the 1-10 scavenger hunts but didn't receive the keg. I believe you need to do all 10 scavenger, trifles etc to get it.

[Elmagor]

You don't need BEAT boss. Don't need know mechanic of fight. Don't need gear to fight. You need only find 5 other people to REACH boss and use emote. This is fairly easy thing.

[wispsong]

I think there is a meta for the metas.

I have problems with Forges (Orthanc 3 0r 6 man) because of the first boss and most raids can't be soloed. They also take a tremendous amount of time, and it is impossible to get groups to do all of them in the allotted time. Easy for those who do this content all the time, not so much for those who have no clue. So I don't do any trifles since most of them have prerequisites.

[Bakenellan]

The meta deed Ten Years in Middle-Earth which rewards the Anniversary Keg requires all Tales, Travels and Trifles deeds to be done. The questline itself is much less stringent.

And yes, Trifles Year 7 is a culprit here for the non-MMO players. Not only some of its targets require a group, but Thorog AFAIK requires all Helegrod to be done first and I believe some of the wings there have group mechanics as well.

You generally can find a pug to do some of the content (especially right now) and a few kinships organize runs for everyone but otherwise you are out of luck.

[Polymachos]

There could have been a way to visit Draigoch without having to assemble five more people.

When you follow the questline of Bingo Boffins, you run into this treasure hunter, Theodore Grouse. Later in the story, he decides to drop a piece of treasure in a dragon's lair, because he hopes that this will relinquish him from a perceived curse. You follow him, and suddenly stand in the Lair of Draigoch, right beside the sleeping monster.

If SSG had decided to enable the use of the emote on the sleeping dragon, we would have been able to finish the quest in solo mode. Unfortunately, they did not.


Greetings, Polymachos

[Arnenna]

I don't think so? I completed the 1-10 scavenger hunts but didn't receive the keg. I believe you need to do all 10 scavenger, trifles etc to get it.

You do have to complete all. Tales, Travels and Trifles.

Draigoch doesn't require you do any of the raid, you just need 6 people to open the floor. If you're going to try that, shout out in world that you just want a floor opening, not the raid, and you'll fill a group very easily. However, later in that Trifles card, you will need 6 to do the first wing of Ost Dunhoth. You can solo the second and final wing to get to the Golum, but raid mechanics in Face your Fears, needs all 6, to get to the end of the wing. That isn't just a door opening.

I'm not sure if the Eriador version of the Anniversary deed gives the keg or not, but if it does, you could do that on a lower level alt.

[Halphast]

I'm a solo player....Please, don't make them out of reach of a solo player

I really do feel your pain, as a fellow solo-inclined person. For me finding the right kinship was game-changing, though. With the right group of people you can still be a fully solo player, but when the game does require a group for things like this you can say "I really need help with this one thing" and your kinmates will say "Actually a few of us might need that! Let's get a group together and knock this out for everyone!"

[Elmagor]

I can imagine what even with solo playing, for many years in Lotro you can find some friends who can fill enough spots to help you meet dragon... or your friend have friends too.

Once again, this is solo players who asking to make RAID into solo player version just because they want to complete 1 quest. No one force you to play solo in MMO. And MMO almost always have more when enough people to help you. Just go to world chat and try find some people.

[DoRonRon]

When the Scavenger Hunt came out it was also via periodic release over 10 weeks and so it concentrated the player base into achieving each "year" as it came and consequently many peeps pugging the group stuff for the first time.

As has always been the case such does hamper those coming late to it. There seems to be little thought made to all "new" content with regard to those coming late to it. Effectively delivering a huge mountain to climb once you catch up, along with a mass of other things that come with the (make a) killing field of cap advancement.

The whole point of the Scavenger Hunt was that of being reminded of past endeavours, can you really "remember" what you have not done already?

Ironically the acquisition of the keg and other variants enabled completion of the Year 10 meta deed for new rolled chars with no priors to remember(ance), if you had the nouse and experience/resolve.

I've come to terms with letting go of things the group content now provides, much less grief. Unless I can dual/triple box it ofc.

[MerryCav]

Once again, this is solo players who asking to make RAID into solo player version just because they want to complete 1 quest. No one force you to play solo in MMO.

Felt like I needed to clarify that I have never/would never suggest a raid be changed to accommodate solo play. In this case I wish a fun holiday event simply didn't include such raids as objectives.

I do appreciate some of you commiserating and also for the heads up about an additional 6 man requirement. This will just be one of those things I'll likely skip for now. Cheers

[Lynore]

going to put myself out there for lots of people to throw dung at but...

I'm a solo player. I have been for 14 years according to my gifts/titles received. This year (after being away a long while) I decided, "oh em gee, I'm going to actually do the scavenger hunt stuff and complete it for the keg!!" (I'm a big housing enthusiast)

Well, that was my plan. I got through the first 10 years of actual scavenger hunts (yay cloak rack!), and then began to peel away at the trifles etc. Still, not having a clue that my level 140 character would be inept, I kept inching my way toward the goal...

Until...I watched in world chat, someone looking for more to finish a raid (draigoch) to unlock something or other. I tabbed out and..omg....sure enough, there is something in year 7 that requires a group to complete no matter the level or skill..

Deflation..that was my happy balloons sinking one by one....

I get "mmo" meaning multiplayer...I get all the arguments for "of course you have to group up to do the hardest things"...but when I'm level capped way beyond that raid and can one shot anything in there......why?

Please, don't make them out of reach of a solo player for some random mechanic who has to stand in one place (who may or may not have paid a bunch of money to buy store items to strengthen themselves...to continue soloing..to escape the grind and just log in and have fun player...I just want to play at my own time/place/pace player) Please let the solo players complete these things too..that's all I'm sayin'. (and /shakesfist at keg...you're not that great anyway..well you are, but...ugh.)

I am also a long term solo player. So I totally commiserate with the difficulty of wanting to occasionally do group/raid content for quest reasons but feeling unable to participate due to not knowing mechanics, gear not up to par etc. But I also participated in the Anniversary Scavenger Hunt during its initial run for the Ten Year. It remains some of my best memories of this game. I went through quest lines I'd never done, joined raids I could not have done on level and finally saw so many encounters that had been beyond my reach before. And the community was nothing short of amazing at trying to help as many people as possible get through the content *before* many of the accommodations for lower level players had been put in. I can't tell you how many ppl I escorted through high level landscape so they could get to a quest spot. It was a magical time, and I know we can't go back to that, but I hope you will try to find some groups for those few Trifles that need them, just to experience that side of the game a little.

If not, I hope the devs will consider alternate paths for you and others, because I get that for some people, it's just not an option to group, and it's not a tragedy if easier paths are there for those that need them.

[wispsong]

When the Scavenger Hunt came out it was also via periodic release over 10 weeks and so it concentrated the player base into achieving each "year" as it came and consequently many peeps pugging the group stuff for the first time.

As has always been the case such does hamper those coming late to it. There seems to be little thought made to all "new" content with regard to those coming late to it. Effectively delivering a huge mountain to climb once you catch up, along with a mass of other things that come with the (make a) killing field of cap advancement.

The whole point of the Scavenger Hunt was that of being reminded of past endeavours, can you really "remember" what you have not done already?

Ironically the acquisition of the keg and other variants enabled completion of the Year 10 meta deed for new rolled chars with no priors to remember(ance), if you had the nouse and experience/resolve.

I've come to terms with letting go of things the group content now provides, much less grief. Unless I can dual/triple box it ofc.

And this is what people don't look at. I was able to do all cards the first year because players were actively engaging in these raids for more than a week. Now it's not easy to find others to do them ALL in the few weeks we have anniversary. At that time we did not have a wrapper for figments either and that is keeping me busy. Things have changed since then. Now if we had all year or could continue the card the following years, that would be different.

[Elmagor]

Felt like I needed to clarify that I have never/would never suggest a raid be changed to accommodate solo play. In this case I wish a fun holiday event simply didn't include such raids as objectives.

I do appreciate some of you commiserating and also for the heads up about an additional 6 man requirement. This will just be one of those things I'll likely skip for now. Cheers

I seen "Congratulate Draigoch" gathering every day on Brandy, sometimes I seen them many times per day.

Yes, fun holiday event MUST include such raids as objectives. Because this is will be one and only chance to help you meet Draigoch. The Anniversary Scavenger Hunt exists since 2017 and it's great what this event have not only solo quests.

[Arnenna]

I can imagine what even with solo playing, for many years in Lotro you can find some friends who can fill enough spots to help you meet dragon... or your friend have friends too.

Once again, this is solo players who asking to make RAID into solo player version just because they want to complete 1 quest. No one force you to play solo in MMO. And MMO almost always have more when enough people to help you. Just go to world chat and try find some people.

Put the solo/raid argument down for a bit. This is not about making raids for solo players. This is a festival thing.

[Arnenna]

I seen "Congratulate Draigoch" gathering every day on Brandy, sometimes I seen them many times per day.

Yes, fun holiday event MUST include such raids as objectives. Because this is will be one and only chance to help you meet Draigoch. The Anniversary Scavenger Hunt exists since 2017 and it's great what this event have not only solo quests.

The difference between what you're saying and what we have is negligible.

If they devise a solo way to open the floor in Draigogh, just for the event, people that like that raid, can still do that raid. They can do it all year long. The Scavenger hunt Draigogh doesn't require that players actually DO the raid anyway, all players have to do is run down and use an emote. You are making it sound as if changing the floor mechanic to work for a single player for this event only, is breaking a raid. It isn't.

[Elmagor]

The difference between what you're saying and what we have is negligible.

If they devise a solo way to open the floor in Draigogh, just for the event, people that like that raid, can still do that raid. They can do it all year long. The Scavenger hunt Draigogh doesn't require that players actually DO the raid anyway, all players have to do is run down and use an emote. You are making it sound as if changing the floor mechanic to work for a single player for this event only, is breaking a raid. It isn't.

Still you talking about changing instance/creating new version of instance with different mechanic for 21 days just because someone lazy enough to find other 5 people in WC to help him in 5 min. And after this person done Draigoch, he need to reach Saruman and Balrog in OD. That means clearing instances and beating at least 1 boss. You consider changing this instances too for 21 days? Of maybe someone need to put some efforts and change his approach to game if he want to reach his goals?

Player talking like this is impossible task, still I seen people doing this in WC every day.

[wispsong]

Still you talking about changing instance/creating new version of instance with different mechanic for 21 days just because someone lazy enough to find other 5 people in WC to help him in 5 min. And after this person done Draigoch, he need to reach Saruman and Balrog in OD. That means clearing instances and beating at least 1 boss. You consider changing this instances too for 21 days? Of maybe someone need to put some efforts and change his approach to game if he want to reach his goals?

Player talking like this is impossible task, still I seen people doing this in WC every day.

It has nothing to do with lazy, some of these instances take time, others are just plain impossible. I die in Draigoch trying to get to him. It's frustrating. Why can't I use the "Bingo" Draigoch? In fact, there are a few bosses I also meet in solo instances or in the world already, some of these are in solo boss raids which is not a problem either at 140.

Possible solutions:

The cards do not disappear after the festival, and we can finish the ones we started during the year.
The cards note our progress, and we have the following anniversaries to finish.
We are directly transported to the boss for our emote. Probably need a window asking if we want to do the raid/instance.
The bosses are made accessible in the world/solo instance.

We are talking about 12 raid bosses in less than 3 weeks and not everybody has all day every day to finish this.

Another solution, the requirement for trifles cards are 6/12.

[Elmagor]

It has nothing to do with lazy, some of these instances take time, others are just plain impossible. I die in Draigoch trying to get to him. It's frustrating. Why can't I use the "Bingo" Draigoch? In fact, there are a few bosses I also meet in solo instances or in the world already, some of these are in solo boss raids which is not a problem either at 140.

Possible solutions:

The cards do not disappear after the festival, and we can finish the ones we started during the year.
The cards note our progress, and we have the following anniversaries to finish.
We are directly transported to the boss for our emote. Probably need a window asking if we want to do the raid/instance.
The bosses are made accessible in the world/solo instance.

We are talking about 12 raid bosses in less than 3 weeks and not everybody has all day every day to finish this.

You can die in landscape too. You can die if you climb hill and fall down, did that stop you from doing that again? No. You die from mob, did you try to kill him again? It's easy to understand how reach Draigoch. You can bring healer who can rez you too. This is anniversary quest, SSG show you WHOLE game. Show what they create in 10 years. Yes, some quests based on you meet your famous enemies. You want to skip Saruman, Balrog and Dragon, and who will left? Jagger Jack?

You need 5 minutes to reach Draigoch. How can that take whole day?

[wispsong]

You can die in landscape too. You can die if you climb hill and fall down, did that stop you from doing that again? No. You die from mob, did you try to kill him again? It's easy to understand how reach Draigoch. You can bring healer who can rez you too. This is anniversary quest, SSG show you WHOLE game. Show what they create in 10 years. Yes, some quests based on you meet your famous enemies. You want to skip Saruman, Balrog and Dragon, and who will left? Jagger Jack?

You need 5 minutes to reach Draigoch. How can that take whole day?

The whole raid card is to long to find groups and do all of them. This is not 10 years of Lotro, we are far beyond that. I remember Ost Dunhoth at lvl 100. The first wing took a long time with full raid because people died running from the mammoths. If you are not a dedicated raider some mechanics are hard. I meet Saruman, I meet Draigoch and other bosses outside the raid. I also offered solutions that include doing these raids. The fellowship instance cards have to many requirements to get done in so short a time. Even the 3/6 man instances are long, and I can't do "Forges" due to the first boss. BTW, this is also applies to most trifles cards with many of them requiring prerequisites.

So, as I added above, give players the option on trifles cards to choose half of the requirements.

[Elmagor]

The whole raid card is to long to find groups and do all of them. This is not 10 years of Lotro, we are far beyond that. I remember Ost Dunhoth at lvl 100. The first wing took a long time with full raid because people died running from the mammoths. If you are not a dedicated raider some mechanics are hard. I meet Saruman, I meet Draigoch and other bosses outside the raid. I also offered solutions that include doing these raids. The fellowship instance cards have to many requirements to get done in so short a time. Even the 3/6 man instances are long, and I can't do "Forges" due to the first boss. BTW, this is also applies to most trifles cards with many of them requiring prerequisites.

So, as I added above, give players the option on trifles cards to choose half of the requirements.

They already give players the option with 50+ Level Eriador cards.

OD can be done on 65 level T1, you don't need to done that on 100 level

[wispsong]

They already give players the option with 50+ Level Eriador cards.


OD can be done on 65 level T1, you don't need to done that on 100 level

We did lvl 65 with lvl 100 players.