I need a lore answer from Berephon about Mirkwood

[Nymphonic]

Hi all. Theres's(why did my phone change "there's" to "uterus"?) something I've wondered for a while. What percentage of the physical size of the Mirkwood forest is represented on the Siege of Mirkwood map?

I'm currently reading the Hobbit and am trying to guess the distance from the expansion to the Old Forest Road.

[josh13333]

From what I can gather, not alot. But then again, Dol Goldor in no way should be so close to Lorien either.

So, I'm guessing turbine had to scale things down quite a bit, so we're probably looking at about 50% of the scaled down map.

[Fortinobrand]

Hi all. Theres's(why did my phone change "there's" to "uterus"?)

Berephon is indeed the Master of Lore, but I suspect such happenings are beyond even his vast comprehension!

[Jiraiyaisnolia]

From what I can gather, not alot. But then again, Dol Goldor in no way should be so close to Lorien either.

So, I'm guessing turbine had to scale things down quite a bit, so we're probably looking at about 50% of the scaled down map.

Actually, the entire game world is scaled down, for game playablitiy most likely.

But even in that scaled-down world, I doubt we have even 25% of the entire landmass of Mirkworld represented in the game.

[Hammerfast]

Hi all. Theres's(why did my phone change "there's" to "uterus"?) something I've wondered for a while. What percentage of the physical size of the Mirkwood forest is represented on the Siege of Mirkwood map?

I'm currently reading the Hobbit and am trying to guess the distance from the expansion to the Old Forest Road.

Incredibly simple (as in primitive) mobile spell-checker doesn't include dealing with punctuation and contractions. That one is pretty funny but I've seen worse than that on rare occasion

Look at it this way: SoM is no doubt massively scaled down, but Sauron's old stronghold is in the extreme southern part of Mirkwood, and the Old Forest Road is in the center of the far northern portion of that land. And the scale is huge in the story - so you are looking at a pretty frightening distance if you are depending on one pair of shoes to get you there

EDIT: Actually, I'd like to hear a more official answer from one of the devs. I'm guessing we are looking at maybe 10-15% of the forest. And I'm still hoping they are going to eventually give us the northern end of it....someday.

[Murinath]

*EDIT* I forgot about the scaled down turbine maps, so that make this pretty innacurate, but still it gives you an idea...

As you can see from this map Dol Guldur is in the very southern and western part of mirkwood.



If this map is correct (which I think it is) then if I overlay Turbines map you can see it is an incredibly small percentage and the distance to the Old Forest Road is maybe 10 times that of the current map.



They don't call it Greenwood the Great for nothing

[whheydt]

They don't call it Greenwood the Great for nothing

Mirkwood is a rather small part of Greenwood the Great. The Greenwood included Fangorn and the Old Forest within it...

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

[Macfeast]

The map-widget at my.lotro gives us some clues to go on. There is a small divide of Mirkwood on the map, which I assume is meant to represent the Old Forest Road (the river there seems misplaced though, should be further south, assuming it is the river meant to be by the Gladden Fields). That places it in the same height as the southern border of the Ettenmoors (looking at Tolkien's maps, rather accurate). Further, if you were to follow the High Pass as far as it goes (a rockslide blocks the path close to the back-door to Goblin-Town), the Old Forest Road looks to be almost directly east.

By my estimate, there's room for two regions between the part of Mirkwood we have, and the Old Forest Road.

[Nymphonic]

I really appreciate all the responses. You good people know more than I ever will.

/deepbow

[phgnomo]

Mirkwood is a rather small part of Greenwood the Great. The Greenwood included Fangorn and the Old Forest within it...

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Global warming then?

[Nymphonic]

If I could get one of the Turbinites to answer this I'd be grateful.

[Murinath]

Mirkwood is a rather small part of Greenwood the Great. The Greenwood included Fangorn and the Old Forest within it...

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

I'm interested to hear what happened to this massive Greenwood the Great, what caused most of it to disappear? My understanding is that it was called Greenwood until Sauron arrived and then they called it Mirkwood.

[Berephon]

Hi all. Theres's(why did my phone change "there's" to "uterus"?) something I've wondered for a while. What percentage of the physical size of the Mirkwood forest is represented on the Siege of Mirkwood map?

I'm currently reading the Hobbit and am trying to guess the distance from the expansion to the Old Forest Road.

As others have said, not a lot. This is the far southern tip of Mirkwood . . . no more than a quarter of Mirkwood, I'd say, though someone from the World team might know better.

[Ironcrown]

*EDIT* I forgot about the scaled down turbine maps, so that make this pretty innacurate, but still it gives you an idea...

As you can see from this map Dol Guldur is in the very southern and western part of mirkwood.



If this map is correct (which I think it is) then if I overlay Turbines map you can see it is an incredibly small percentage and the distance to the Old Forest Road is maybe 10 times that of the current map.



They don't call it Greenwood the Great for nothing

The mtns are too far north, they should actually divide Mirkwood in half (roughly). The Old Forest Road was north of the mnts but the location on this map seems to be correct otherwise. Greenwood the Great is/was the largest surviving remnent of a truly vast forest that covered most of ME (Fangorn and the Old forest are smaller remnents of the same forest). Greenwood's name was changed to Mirkwood after the Necromancer (Sauron) built Dol Guldur and the forest became darker, more sinister.

[Vhivi]

Hi all. Theres's(why did my phone change "there's" to "uterus"?) something I've wondered for a while. What percentage of the physical size of the Mirkwood forest is represented on the Siege of Mirkwood map?

I'm currently reading the Hobbit and am trying to guess the distance from the expansion to the Old Forest Road.

The representation is rather poor. For one, Lothlorien doesn't extend across the valley out of Moria. It's located south of the Nimrodel. There is a large expanse of open land between southern Mirkwood and the Anduin, not flush to the river like Turbine dipicts it.. Dol Guldur is on the very southern tip of Mirkwood. The entire Shire could fit inside Mirkwood and still leave space for the old forest road and Thranduil's realm.

So, given Turbine's penchant for distorting land scape, I figure there will be one forest zone about the size of the Old Forest, and then you'll be at Lake Town.

[Reniannen]

Mirkwood is a rather small part of Greenwood the Great. The Greenwood included Fangorn and the Old Forest within it...

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Greenwood was the name of Mirkwood before it became murky. I don't think the primordial forest that used to cover pretty much the whole continent and that you're referring to had a name.

[Silchas]

The forested portions of Minhiraith and Enedwaith were largely cut down by the Numenoreans to build ships (why cut down your own trees when you can cut down someone elses, right?). The remaining damage was done in the wars of the Second Age when Sauron laid waste to the same areas. This destruction by the Numenoreans is at the heart of the natives distrust of the Dunedain.

[geoboy]

If this map is correct (which I think it is) then if I overlay Turbines map you can see it is an incredibly small percentage and the distance to the Old Forest Road is maybe 10 times that of the current map.



They don't call it Greenwood the Great for nothing

Also, the mirkwood zone goes right to the river, so some adjustment needs to be done there. I still think 1/4 is really short, but it's quite a bit larger than you give it credit for.

[Ironcrown]

The mtns are too far north, they should actually divide Mirkwood in half (roughly). The Old Forest Road was north of the mnts but the location on this map seems to be correct otherwise. Greenwood the Great is/was the largest surviving remnent of a truly vast forest that covered most of ME (Fangorn and the Old forest are smaller remnents of the same forest). Greenwood's name was changed to Mirkwood after the Necromancer (Sauron) built Dol Guldur and the forest became darker, more sinister.

Quoting myself to correct myself...seems my memory is a bit off...the mtns are indeed north of the old forest according to this map produced by JRR/Christopher Tolkien... http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/File:...Wilderland.jpg

I could've sworn the OFR was north of the mtns...oh well...my apologies for the wrong information.

[Silchas]

Quoting myself to correct myself...seems my memory is a bit off...the mtns are indeed north of the old forest according to this map produced by Christopher Tolkien... http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/File:...Wilderland.jpg

I could've sworn the OFR was north of the mtns...oh well...my apologies for the wrong information.

Just for that you will be beaten with a copy of the Silmarillion.

[Ironcrown]

Just for that you will be beaten with a copy of the Silmarillion.

paperback or hardbound?

[Silchas]

paperback or hardbound?

Hardbound, First Edition.

[Kheld_GB]

Sadly the map we have will represent about 50% of Mirkwood accoridng to Turbine. Note the "SOUTHERN Mirkwood" titles in the deed log.

Im sure when the Hobbit films come out we will have a NORTHERN Mirkwood zone to roam around in.

[Nymphonic]

As others have said, not a lot. This is the far southern tip of Mirkwood . . . no more than a quarter of Mirkwood, I'd say, though someone from the World team might know better.

Berephon, thanks for the response! I'm a huge map guy when it comes to my fantasy fiction and I love this kind of stuff. Thanks again!

[djheydt]

Global warming then?

Not as a cause. The cause was Men moving in from the East, cutting down trees, building houses and plowing fields. From this you'll get a small increase in CO2 and other greenhouse gases, but the only places you'll find serious air pollution is in Nan Curunir and Mordor, where kilns harvest iron from ore, forges blaze to forge iron and bronze and steel, pouring wood and coal smoke into the air. You don't get real global warming till you have that happening all over the planet, here in the Sixth Age.