What does everyone seem have against 'Voa'?

[PropJoe]

Only played on this server a few days. But pretty much every creep and quite a few freeps too seem to dislike 'Voa'. What's the reason behind all this dislike?

[tobindrake]

Because he pve's in a pvp zone and won't fight raid on raid. As soon as a craid shows up, voa is the first to run away.

[geoboy]

Because he raids up even when there is fun solo/small group action happening. Voa creates a raid, creeps have got to raid up to counter. Any chances for a good solo/small group fight are greatly diminished.

[klover307]

forms pointless raids to farm unorganized creeps all day then once a actual raid leader like mere or evil is on to have raid v raid with him he sits around hiding in npcs or GV until the creep raid gets bored and logs. then proceeds to regroup and farm unorganized creeps until no one is left on the map to farm.

^in a nut shell i guess^

[PropJoe]

Well from my (very limited) experience on this server, unless he creates a raid there's usually not many freeps around. Isn't having a 'Voa raid' better than no freeps?

And from my (again very limited) experience his freep raids seem to wipe plenty of times against groups of unorganized creeps. Both sides get inf/ren - win/win?

[IGolbezI]

Well from my (very limited) experience on this server, unless he creates a raid there's usually not many freeps around. Isn't having a 'Voa raid' better than no freeps?

And from my (again very limited) experience his freep raids seem to wipe plenty of times against groups of unorganized creeps. Both sides get inf/ren - win/win?

hard to care much about that when you have millions of renown or infamy. or both. its "fun" getting ridiculous points farming his groups with solos but as soon as you make a group to RvR he just runs away to sit in the one shots.

i still remember the two times i joined his raid i just sat on follow and no one said anything to me. does that sound like a good/fun freep raid to you?

[Packalpha]

I don't hate Voa. He feeds me a lot of infamy.

I will say he is a trash raid leader though. The only complaint I have is I want more of a challenge, and freeps who are determined and stay out after we wipe them once and don't log or hide in OR.

[Meregash]

...

Who makes a needless raid to farm solos?

Voa.

Who makes a raid to ruin small-group action?

Voa.

Who runs into OR at the first sign of danger?

Voa.

Who Camps a Keep even with 30 Freeps at his feet, and the Organized Creep raid has only 24 and 3 goldtags?

Voa.

Who can't PvP unless he's in a raid?

Voa.

Who ruined Brandywine PvP?

Voa.

Any other questions?
I'd be happy to answer them.

[slyfir20]

Is this 'Voa' person Anirien? From Nimrodel?

LOL!

Took us a while but we finally got rid of him, all though I feel sad now others have to deal with it. :/

[nachoooooooooooo]

I love Voa!!! Ya know if it was not for him I would not have...

*A r10 reaver

*More knowledge about pvp/creepside then I ever would have had from just playing freepside

*seen both sides of the conflict, and why both sides are always so angry

*a bolstered self confidence... such as 'hey that may have been a bad move...but did better than voa would have'

*but most importantly made alot of cool friends and had alot of good times on creepside

...but ya it gets old when he runs and hides from you all day long...but hey thats what tracks and webs are for i suppose

[gageithman]

Is this 'Voa' person Anirien? From Nimrodel?

LOL!

Took us a while but we finally got rid of him, all though I feel sad now others have to deal with it. :/

yes we had the sympathy of nimrodel for a while. It seems they have abandoned us though D:

[Winterfell]

Only played on this server a few days. But pretty much every creep and quite a few freeps too seem to dislike 'Voa'. What's the reason behind all this dislike?

His impact on BW PvP:

[PropJoe]

Haha I think I see your point now

[Meregash]

I find it amusing that...

more freeps are posting in this thread,

than Creeps.

He is indeed an unwelcome transfer, as is proven by the afore mentioned observation.

[Sthrax]

I am relatively new to the Moors, and from my perspective there are two issues that make Voa (and those like him) a flashpoint:

1) You have to PVE to get PVP gear. This is absolutely ridiculous to me. I would love to get the PVMP gear, and have no issue grinding the renown for it, but why does it depend on me killing NPCs?

2) I try to get into freep groups and either they won't take me because they don't know me, or they aren't interested in doing anything that would help me with #1. Like it or not, Voa is better about both of those than other freep groups. So my options are to not go to the Moors, or occassionally raid with Voa.

In an ideal world, only PvMP would exist in the Moors, and PvMP gear would solely be dependent on PvMP (not NPCs). Voa wouldn't exist in that world, as there would be no reason to do anything other than fight creeps.

[ZirasAminstrel]

I find it amusing that...

more freeps are posting in this thread,

than Creeps.

He is indeed an unwelcome transfer, as is proven by the afore mentioned observation.

He is an action killer. Huge ego and entirely self-centered. You play how he wants to, which is raid or nothing.

Edit: ####ty raids at that

[IGolbezI]

I am relatively new to the Moors, and from my perspective there are two issues that make Voa (and those like him) a flashpoint:

1) You have to PVE to get PVP gear. This is absolutely ridiculous to me. I would love to get the PVMP gear, and have no issue grinding the renown for it, but why does it depend on me killing NPCs?

2) I try to get into freep groups and either they won't take me because they don't know me, or they aren't interested in doing anything that would help me with #1. Like it or not, Voa is better about both of those than other freep groups. So my options are to not go to the Moors, or occassionally raid with Voa.

In an ideal world, only PvMP would exist in the Moors, and PvMP gear would solely be dependent on PvMP (not NPCs). Voa wouldn't exist in that world, as there would be no reason to do anything other than fight creeps.

could be your gear isnt up to par, looking at your my.lotro page you do have the horseshoe equipped :P when you are a new person the only thing raid leaders can go by is your gear and your tell. if someone is LFFing for a raid just send a tell saying "champ" or "champ here" or something like that, nothing like "im a champion. will we be taking keeps?" lol

you get stuff while raiding, you dont have to be Voa to take a keep. more importantly, you dont need pvp gear to be in the moors or do well in the moors.

[Winterfell]

I am relatively new to the Moors, and from my perspective there are two issues that make Voa (and those like him) a flashpoint:

1) You have to PVE to get PVP gear. This is absolutely ridiculous to me. I would love to get the PVMP gear, and have no issue grinding the renown for it, but why does it depend on me killing NPCs?

2) I try to get into freep groups and either they won't take me because they don't know me, or they aren't interested in doing anything that would help me with #1. Like it or not, Voa is better about both of those than other freep groups. So my options are to not go to the Moors, or occassionally raid with Voa.

In an ideal world, only PvMP would exist in the Moors, and PvMP gear would solely be dependent on PvMP (not NPCs). Voa wouldn't exist in that world, as there would be no reason to do anything other than fight creeps.

I see your points, but issue #1 arises because people feel the need to get their pvp gear asap instead of letting it happen organically. Keep takes happen in the course of PvP. Those people can then feel like they actually earned their gear or they can raid up and go flip the map without any resistence. Just because a mechanic is there to facilitate the "I want it now" crowd doesn't mean that everyone has to go about it that way. Flipping keeps has been going on for years without the gear, which means that it can happen during the course of actually PvPing.

For your issue #2, I don't see this with a few exceptions. 1) About 3 kins run out there with extreme consistency (BoTS, Resistance, Entropy) and yes, people shouldn't expect to get into their kin groups if they is how they are rolling. 2) Raids have already accumulated all of X class they needed sorry, thems the breaks, try and get on a waiting list. 3) A person has proved that they are incapable of following orders and if a specifc leader knows them, they don't get invited.

Or there just isn't a raid. There doesn't always need to be a raid and if there isn't one going on people obviously shouldn't expect invites.

Yes, Voa/Kisun/Anirien does create raids...erm...Open "PvP" Groups and takes all comers because PvE out there doesn't require any special make-up. This is also the reason creeps above say they love him as without a decent balance of classes, a creep vet formed raid will often roll through any hodge-podge group of freeps.

New PvP'ers out there need to learn the ropes and should learn their way around this is true. But the real question is are they out there to PvP or are they out there because there is a set of armor they can't get in a skirm. That being said are they willing to learn from people who play out there or are they over confident PvE'ers who think they know everything about their class and how it should apply to the moors because they have completed all OD wings in challenge mode. If people go out there expecting to get spoon fed everything then they are setting themselves up for failure. Voa provides the spoon to his followers during low creep-tide. So people love to follow him then disappear when the water and ranked reavers get choppy.

I myself was probably without exaggeration, one the fastest rankering freep on BW the day after SoA Book 10 released going from 1-4 in a day and people yelling at me for ezmoding to rank when they had sludged through ranks 1-5 reknown at a time. I learned from this and started to view the game on a wider scale. The great Grams camp soon followed and I bounced to creepside (only reason I have a R4 warg) because I didn't agree with what I saw. Then I decided to take the things I like most from the freep leaders I ran with and started running groups and raids myself. Instead of camping grams I would lead groups away from camping and get shuffles going which made it entertaining for both sides.

People may say "red it's dead" out there and all the power to them. But this comes with a consequence, the increasing lack of opponents and eventually the counter punch. If people are willing to see things from both sides and attempt to make things fun for both sides, enjoyment follows instead of hate.

TOTALLY TL;DR...

Edit* - In the end it won't matter because none of us pay for his play time and the only power I have is how I play. People have a choice and they will make it. I have made mine.

EXTRA TOTALLY TL;DR...

[ydoc]

People pretty much said everything that needs to be said lol, I mean winterfell, and meregash sum it up incredibly well.

I would only like to add simply.


Voa Makes me not want to play on the side he is on. It's like having Hitler on your team, or barney the dinosaur(yes they are comparable =) No one wants them on there team, and just because voa is a "freep" And I use that term lightly. This doesn't mean any of us freeps like how he plays, who he ganks, or how he completely fails to understand how to make pvmp fun in any way shape or form.

If It was allowable in game I would shoot voa in the kneecap and leave him to the zombies like Shane did to otis in the newest walking dead episode. (sorry if i spoiled this for anyone but cmon, they played the new episode 4 times in a row on amc if you missed it, it ain't my fault =p)

[tobindrake]

Pffft, I'd shoot him in both kneecaps and join the zombies in getting me some voa brainz!!!

[Kateraid]

I am relatively new to the Moors, and from my perspective there are two issues that make Voa (and those like him) a flashpoint:

1) You have to PVE to get PVP gear. This is absolutely ridiculous to me. I would love to get the PVMP gear, and have no issue grinding the renown for it, but why does it depend on me killing NPCs?

2) I try to get into freep groups and either they won't take me because they don't know me, or they aren't interested in doing anything that would help me with #1. Like it or not, Voa is better about both of those than other freep groups. So my options are to not go to the Moors, or occassionally raid with Voa.

In an ideal world, only PvMP would exist in the Moors, and PvMP gear would solely be dependent on PvMP (not NPCs). Voa wouldn't exist in that world, as there would be no reason to do anything other than fight creeps.

While I understand your frustration, I have a full set of PvMP gear and never did I once purposefully go out and do a quest just to get the items I needed for the gear. Enjoy yourself out there and it'll happen faster.

To the OP... who is Voa? >.>

***Edit... nvm, Mere's post cleared it up for me. He's THAT guy.

[OGsam]

yes we had the sympathy of nimrodel for a while. It seems they have abandoned us though D:

Knowing now what he's really like wouldn't you do the same if the situation was reversed? We had him for over 3 years remember... you boys are only at the beginning of your, let's say, "Voa shift."

Have fun

[Artizzy]

Voa = Multibox?

There are no rules that both of those entities break in this game so I see no difference between them.

[spockerized]

But pretty much every creep and quite a few freeps too seem to dislike 'Voa'. What's the reason behind all this dislike?

Instead of taking the frustration out on the "poor" design of the moors, it is easier to blame one person. I think it is the consistency of the same thing day to day that gives it the "Voa" name we all know of.

I hear 3 years here, couple months here, obviously you aren't going about this the right way. What options are available?

1. Ostracize those who join or partake. (However not really going to be effective over the internet)
2. Get a Dev to actually do something about the state of PVMP. (At this stage in the game this does not look promising)
A few others that might not be legal.

From what I understand if you harass him enough on the forums and in game he will just leave. No one will take his place, and the moors will go back to the way it was? This is how I understand it, so correct me if I'm wrong.

So let me know how that works out for everyone?

[legion45]

Instead of taking the frustration out on the "poor" design of the moors, it is easier to blame one person. I think it is the consistency of the same thing day to day that gives it the "Voa" name we all know of.

I hear 3 years here, couple months here, obviously you aren't going about this the right way. What options are available?

1. Ostracize those who join or partake. (However not really going to be effective over the internet)
2. Get a Dev to actually do something about the state of PVMP. (At this stage in the game this does not look promising)
A few others that might not be legal.

From what I understand if you harass him enough on the forums and in game he will just leave. No one will take his place, and the moors will go back to the way it was? This is how I understand it, so correct me if I'm wrong.

So let me know how that works out for everyone?

who wants to play freepside anyway? let's all flip to our creeps and do quests to rank up!