SSG abandons RP. LOTRO MUSE

[R_C]

Thats right folks, LOTRO MUSE (multi user shared environment)
Official SSG response to the removal of RP rules on Laurelin (RP) server
https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...-policy-thread!

I am a bit busy at the moment, but we can work on it. The trick is that since the server merge, the community of Laurelin has become more diverse, and recent discussions on the forums here clearly show that there are as many people who want us to be super-strict on the rules as those who feel very strongly that we should stop being so harsh to people trying to have fun in-game. There's also a sentiment that the exceptional RP naming rules were used to harass others. I appreciate that some want a very strict barrier to entry on Laurelin based on a deep knowledge of lore-specific nomenclature, but we have to accept that not everyone wants to play that game, and some people who have been on Laurelin for some time now feel like they didn't have a choice when it came time to transfer servers, and ended up on Laurelin.

Rather than it being a case of us being heavy-handed in applying rules, we'd rather respond to the desires of the community. But it's clear that there is a deep divide on Laurelin, and that needs to be settled before we have another sticky post that can be used as ammunition.

Embarrasing ,to say the least.
Now is your chance SSG. Stand-Up and Stand-Out in the crowd. Show ME you are the Ultimate Fan.

Edit: I will log in this weekend to finish a crafting project I promised to some stranger in world chat.
Enjoy my Mordor Expansion pre-order money. I will not condone this behavior. Shame on you!

[Cordovan]

We have not removed the RP tag from Laurelin. All that's happened is an outdated sticky thread with a bunch of old Turbine references got unstickied until we could update it.

[robbie1435]

Kind of have to agree with the RPers on this one. Server transfers really are no excuse. If you transferred to a server with an RP tag, you knew what you were signing up for and you knew that you were going to have to change your play style up. That's not fair to RPers to destroy their community just because a few outsiders didn't read the fine print before they transferred.

[kickman77]

Kind of have to agree with the RPers on this one. Server transfers really are no excuse. If you transferred to a server with an RP tag, you knew what you were signing up for and you knew that you were going to have to change your play style up. That's not fair to RPers to destroy their community just because a few outsiders didn't read the fine print before they transferred.

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But why on the other hand should 1 portion of the community get a dedicated server? Why no PvP or raiding server or crafting server or questing servers

Oh wait those are all included in the others as is RP. It to me is just a special tag that adds more importance to some that do not need it/ Yes, there should be naming rules, but they should be game wide and not limited to just 1 server. Than the RP tag cna be removed. Oh and for the record, yes, the RP name thing was used to harrass a ton of people. The server merges were an excuse when people needed to find a new home and 1 more option was taken from them because of the naming reaction more players turned their backs on the game and our community as a whole suffered for it. But hey... you RP name got saved huh?

[Amorey]

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But why on the other hand should 1 portion of the community get a dedicated server? Why no PvP or raiding server or crafting server or questing servers

Oh wait those are all included in the others as is RP. It to me is just a special tag that adds more importance to some that do not need it/ Yes, there should be naming rules, but they should be game wide and not limited to just 1 server. Than the RP tag cna be removed. Oh and for the record, yes, the RP name thing was used to harrass a ton of people. The server merges were an excuse when people needed to find a new home and 1 more option was taken from them because of the naming reaction more players turned their backs on the game and our community as a whole suffered for it. But hey... you RP name got saved huh?

Adding the RP tag was taken back on 2007 by Codemasters ( and Turbine ), the tag and the extra RP rules have shaped the communities on the RP servers. Turbine and WB decided to keep the extra rules and tags in 2011 when the EU servers came back to the US. Please let's not start all this 'Remove the RP tag' argument again

[Jillymala]

Kind of have to agree with the RPers on this one. Server transfers really are no excuse. If you transferred to a server with an RP tag, you knew what you were signing up for and you knew that you were going to have to change your play style up. That's not fair to RPers to destroy their community just because a few outsiders didn't read the fine print before they transferred.

ohhh but it was totally fair for them to drop 5 servers into 2 english servers?
One of which has no choice but to be RP and the other is an overcrowded stupidity competition?
I'm all for Rp but when things get really to the point, I'd say players 'destroying' 'their' community isn't really true. Besides, it's 'OUR' community, Laurelin doesn't have special claim rights on it.
Some people don't like change and refuse to accept it, I'm sorry Laurelin had to bear some of the unwashed masses of refugees of the mergers... we all did.
Guess what.. my server changed too, its a cesspool now so I DO know how you feel, but it is what it is.
Adapt and overcome, just like everyone else.

[Pontin_Finnberry]

The RP tag should stay its an RP server and always has been why should it be removed now? just cause 19 servers shut down and very few who don't RP doesn't mean it should change, cause this an MMO most have RP servers and LOTRO is one of the best were you can role play and new players who are into this might look for an RP server but see no tag, just leave it alone its fine as is theres no major issue that I've seen. I go to Laurelin sometimes and mostly see RP and friendly world chat (at least when i'm on there i know WC can get crazy). the only issue is naming of course.

Edit: lets not start this argument again leave it alone its fine as is.

[kickman77]

The RP tag should stay its an RP server and always has been why should it be removed now? just cause 19 servers shut down and very few who don't RP doesn't mean it should change, cause this an MMO most have RP servers and LOTRO is one of the best were you can role play and new players who are into this might look for an RP server but see no tag, just leave it alone its fine as is theres no major issue that I've seen. I go to Laurelin sometimes and mostly see RP and friendly world chat (at least when i'm on there i know WC can get crazy). the only issue is naming of course.

Edit: lets not start this argument again leave it alone its fine as is.

There really is no argument only facts

1 portion of the community feels they are above the rest of the community and demand special treatment against the rest of the community.


No argument there. Just the obvious

[Amorey]

There really is no argument only facts

1 portion of the community feels they are above the rest of the community and demand special treatment against the rest of the community.


No argument there. Just the obvious

As I said, please do not start this again, you have no clue what the 'facts' are on Laulrelin because it is not your server. Last time the argument went on for 40 pages, I am ready to go to 80 . Laurelin is my server, RP is my thing, so I know the 'facts' while you really don't , yours are just assumptions

[Mandura]

Even though I'm not a RP person myself I absolutely understand why the RP community wants the old RP server rules back. I support that request because I too find it very irritating seeing characters named "Obi" surname "wan", "Robbinwood", "Sickmyduck" or whatever other non-fantasy/middle-earthy names. That stuff simply doesn't belong here.

[BangoTwinkletoes]

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But why on the other hand should 1 portion of the community get a dedicated server? Why no PvP or raiding server or crafting server or questing servers

Oh wait those are all included in the others as is RP. It to me is just a special tag that adds more importance to some that do not need it/ Yes, there should be naming rules, but they should be game wide and not limited to just 1 server. Than the RP tag cna be removed. Oh and for the record, yes, the RP name thing was used to harrass a ton of people. The server merges were an excuse when people needed to find a new home and 1 more option was taken from them because of the naming reaction more players turned their backs on the game and our community as a whole suffered for it. But hey... you RP name got saved huh?

Because we RP'ers deserve it. Why? Just look at all the additional content that the RP community creates on a regular basis - https://www.lotro.com/forums/forumdi...Laurelin-EN-RP

Game-wide naming rules won't work because the kids who call themselves IPWNZU will be here in their droves complaining that the rules infringe their rights - as we saw during the server mergers.

[Mariden]

Roleplayers and RP add a ton of additional value to the game by providing events, concerts etc. That community is the soul of the game and should be supported. It's also a good buisness decision since they buy cosmetics and spend a lot of time and money in the game. I'm not saying that "hardcore" players and/or pvp players are less valuable customers, both groups interact with the game differently and both are important to maintaining a healthy community for the game overall. Laurelin should be a RP server like it's supposed to be. Thats where that part of community thrives. It doesnt stop other types of players from being part of the server as long as they respect some pretty simple rules. Everyone can get along.

[Suza]

Thats right folks, LOTRO MUSE (multi user shared environment)
Official SSG response to the removal of RP rules on Laurelin (RP) server
https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...-policy-thread!

Embarrasing ,to say the least.
Now is your chance SSG. Stand-Up and Stand-Out in the crowd. Show ME you are the Ultimate Fan.

Edit: I will log in this weekend to finish a crafting project I promised to some stranger in world chat.
Enjoy my Mordor Expansion pre-order money. I will not condone this behavior. Shame on you!

While RP has it's place, your post is a bad reflection on them and you. Why else would you use an obvious click-bait title and then follow it up with treating an attempt to update rules as a flat refusal to allow them.

YOU, sir, should be ashamed of yourself.

[Denhith]

Because we RP'ers deserve it.

And that's where you lost the argument. You could have stated your case any other way, but you had to lead with that.
It smacks of self righteousness and feeds into the stereotype that you RP'ers are often labeled with.

Also, didn't Cordovan already chime in and answer the OP?

/shrug.

[kickman77]

And that's where you lost the argument. You could have stated your case any other way, but you had to lead with that.
It smacks of self righteousness and feeds into the stereotype that you RP'ers are often labeled with.

Also, didn't Cordovan already chime in and answer the OP?

/shrug.

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See my post above. I state I feel we need a server with name rules ect.

But sorry guys, there are many good people in the RP community, but a few bad apples have spoiled it for me. When you always come across as self entitled and feel you are owed because you are 1 part of the community while at the same time diminishing the rest of it, it comes across really brash. Hence why I sropped arguing and let my point prove itself

[BangoTwinkletoes]

And that's where you lost the argument. You could have stated your case any other way, but you had to lead with that.
It smacks of self righteousness and feeds into the stereotype that you RP'ers are often labeled with.

Also, didn't Cordovan already chime in and answer the OP?

/shrug.

So what? The RP community on Laurelin and the people who lead the creation of RP content deserve an environment safe from the kids who would wreck it for the lulz. It's been there for 10 years, has survived the move from Codemasters to Turbine, survived (just) the server mergers and now people such as yourself who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing want to see it gone just so you can prove a point. Yeah, you carry on.

[BangoTwinkletoes]

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See my post above. I state I feel we need a server with name rules ect.

But sorry guys, there are many good people in the RP community, but a few bad apples have spoiled it for me. When you always come across as self entitled and feel you are owed because you are 1 part of the community while at the same time diminishing the rest of it, it comes across really brash. Hence why I sropped arguing and let my point prove itself

What point? That you don't like it and so want to go rid of? That's the epitome of a childish hissy fit.

[Hallandil]

And that's where you lost the argument. You could have stated your case any other way, but you had to lead with that.
It smacks of self righteousness and feeds into the stereotype that you RP'ers are often labeled with.

Also, didn't Cordovan already chime in and answer the OP?

/shrug.

There really is no argument only facts

1 portion of the community feels they are above the rest of the community and demand special treatment against the rest of the community.


No argument there. Just the obvious

And these are part of the exact reasons why blue names probably avoid answering questions beyond "we're looking into it" - because of the sheer toxicity of how some players conduct themselves. Both in-game and across the forums there is a stongly formed impression that good many "serious" roleplayers can act entitled, overly obsessive and EXTREMELY petty. That being said I'm sure that most are not like this (I hope) but there's a significant mob of squabbling lynch mobs that insist on acting like some mindless Shiring ladies' picketting society - Flaming people that displease them and flooding players whose names disagree with them (but not old rp rules) until the player gets a forced change just to shut up he ticket spam.

Some of these player attitudes can be the same reasons why PvP seems to be kept at a 2ft distance from most dev posts as well, but at least with pvp balance there is at least the capacity for remaining somewhat objective.

[Amorey]

Guys...guys, Cordovan had already replied to the OP. I really would like us all to get along and move on, there is no point in going back and beating a dead horse.

Here is a great post that deserves quoting

Roleplayers and RP add a ton of additional value to the game by providing events, concerts etc. That community is the soul of the game and should be supported. It's also a good buisness decision since they buy cosmetics and spend a lot of time and money in the game. I'm not saying that "hardcore" players and/or pvp players are less valuable customers, both groups interact with the game differently and both are important to maintaining a healthy community for the game overall. Laurelin should be a RP server like it's supposed to be. Thats where that part of community thrives. It doesnt stop other types of players from being part of the server as long as they respect some pretty simple rules. Everyone can get along.

[Hallandil]

Guys...guys, Cordovan had already replied to the OP. I really would like us all to get along and move on, there is no point in going back and beating a dead horse.

Here is a great post that deserves quoting

No one is doubting the contrabution decent RP event organisers give,
...... This whole thread is about the RP server rules and how many players not only demand their own special set of rules (understandable to some regard), but feel the need to shove their interpretation of it down everyone else's throats.

[kickman77]

What point? That you don't like it and so want to go rid of? That's the epitome of a childish hissy fit.

Not what I said at all. I agreed we need naming rules. My position has been for quite some time that some members of the RP community think they are above the rest of the community. It is how I personally interpret it. The post made above shows exactly that. He / She feels they are above the community and is demanding a change be made. Than when statements are made such as "We deserve it" for what? What makes your sub-section of the community "deserve" something more than the rest? It belittles everyone else and shows you have and gosh darn I hate to use the words a feeling of entitlement. The raiders "deserved" a raid for 3 years and did not get one. The PvMP'ers "deserve" class balance and PvMP balance but again, it never happens. Maybe if "raiders" and "pvMP" was shown some seriously love those people would / could hold events. But I guess they are not as deserving as such. So sorry if I come across as brash or arrogant but no one portion of this community "deserves" because that my friend is why rifts form.

[Denhith]

1. So what?
2. people such as yourself who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing want to see it gone just so you can prove a point.

1. It's self defeating. And if you cared so much about the RP community, you wouldn't do such a good job at making the people in it look bad.
2. Ah yes, if a person just happens to point out a small flaw in how you present your argument, they are clearly against yada yada yada.

[Amorey]

No one is doubting the contrabution decent RP event organisers give,
...... This whole thread is about the RP server rules and how many players not only demand their own special set of rules (understandable to some regard), but feel the need to shove their interpretation of it down everyone else's throats.

Ans this is why I as a RPer and Laurelin player did not answer to this thread when it was posted. I don't see why this OP felt the need to cross-post and create more waves when we already had a discussion going in the Roleplay forum which is the correct place to discuss role play. I just felt the need to reply to Kick though, as he brought the whole' lets get rid of the tag' thing all over again. Last time we had this debate it took 40 pages , I hope it wont come to that anymore. The RP rules thread is a sticky again as people asked for, I am sure the debate about them will go on there

[BangoTwinkletoes]

There really is no argument only facts

1 portion of the community feels they are above the rest of the community and demand special treatment against the rest of the community.


No argument there. Just the obvious

We demand that we get continued the same treatment that we've had since the game went live in 2007. You and others want to destroy that out of petty jealously.

[BangoTwinkletoes]

1. It's self defeating. And if you cared so much about the RP community, you wouldn't do such a good job at making the people in it look bad.
2. Ah yes, if a person just happens to point out a small flaw in how you present your argument, they are clearly against yada yada yada.

You don't get it, do you.

1. The future of Laurelin as an RP rules server isn't determined by my argument, nor yours. So you can drop all this holier than though rubbish.

2. Flaw in my argument? What, by telling you that your argument is nothing just petty jealously? But it is.

3. People such as yourself should consider the outcome of what will be there if those rules disappear.