Sorry guys, it has to be said: Erebor is lacking, leaving us wanting.

**Marancil** · Feb 12 2018, 04:40 PM

Not even attempting to relate to the lore, we do have in game experience from two dwarf fortresses/dungeons.

Thorins Hall and Moria.
Obviously not counting Zigilgund, Othrikar or other places as even comparable by a longshot in this.

So that leaves Erebor, still under construction we hope. Basically it is a larger Thorins Hall, with even less dungeons and minor halls. The entirety of Erebor would probably fit INSIDE the 21's Hall of Moria.

So what does it leave us? I think we expect something in between Moria and Thorins Hall, maybe half the size on the habitable areas of Moria, not counting Foundations of Stone or Redhorn Lodes here, but The Delvings, Dolven-View, 21st Hall, 1st Hall and some more. That might have been a decent size for Erebor, plus some dungeons. Since Erebor is in fact inhabited and has been worked on by dwarves for ages, it should of course look more finished and polished. Zelem Melek comes to mind. Black and gold stone, very impressive.

You have a good start, but right now its just a larger Thorins Hall.

**Findun** · Feb 12 2018, 04:58 PM

Agree. After all it's the current dwarven kingdom. It should be a huge. Not as big as Moria but at least the size of Thorins Halls. Right now, it's just one great hall which doesnt even contain crafting benches lol. Come on, it's the dwarves we're talking about here. Meanwhile, Thranduil gets an impressive area.

Please consider making the inside of Erebor bigger, and add forges, lots of forges, better yet a huge crafting hall like in Thorins Hall.

**Phantion** · Feb 12 2018, 05:20 PM

I'd even say... somewhere between the size of Moria and the size of Thorin's Hall (maybe a space that's comparable to at least Zelem-Melek OR Nud-Melek in size? Like an 8th of the total size of Moria- not as big as Moria, but substantial enough to make Thorin's Hall feel poorer and not so grand or vast in comparison- Thorin couldn't stand living in Ered Luin).

Erebor should, pun-intended, "dwarf" Thorin's Hall to a -lesser- degree. Bigger than Thorin's but not as big as Moria- let me explain what I mean below:

They already have the method to make it bigger than Thorin's Hall and yet do-able in the update: they used it in Thranduil's Court / Felegoth- with those thin, winding passages that lead to many smaller rooms, granting the sense of a huge place while conserving developmental resources at the same time.

Simply have a lot of skinny, winding passages, up and down flights of stairs, to give a sense of breadth and depth- restore the Erebor Raid's original entry-way and have the door to the Allegiance Hall branch-off of the interior "crossroads" where the Erebor raid begins, and definitely have paths leading -down- to the depths where Smaug's treasure-hoard was, and a nice touch would be the sundered path leading back-out to the "Secret Door" that was collapsed by Smaug (i.e. so that you can retrace Bilbo's Footsteps from the collapsed hidden entrance down to where Smaug-was, I'd highly encourage optional "Hobbit"-based session-play's as Bilbo, Thorin, and others, I'd encourage a "remembrance-back" to Bilbo's encounter with Smaug (seriously, re-skin Draigoch's model for this, it would be so awesome)- also, could add more to the "Lore" deed with blue-text, following Bilbo down to where Smaug was, albeit in reverse).

Also, of course, I'd want to see Thorin's Tomb with the Arkenstone on his chest and Orcrist (maybe... have a "hole" in a sarcophagus where the Arkenstone's on Thorin's remains' "chest" while also visible from the surface of a carved relief of him)- and crafting halls, forges, mining lodes, smaller trading halls, etc. etc. etc. They could use the same technique they've used with Thranduil's Felegoth Palace with a lot of these areas- to fill-out the range and depths of Erebor beyond the Allegiance Hall in a manageable manner- thus, larger than Thorin's, smaller than Moria, a nice medium in between- where it's believable that Erebor's loss, in pure game logic, was a -big- deal to the Dwarves, and that no, neither Thorin's Hall nor Zudrugund / Thror's Coomb were "adequate replacements," as they were not-

**OldMadeOfLions** · Feb 12 2018, 05:29 PM