Crafting for Minas Morgul - new guild tier

[Tybur]

We were able to add in a new crafting guild tier in Minas Morgul that we feel adds to the crafting experience.
While you can continue to use any guild rep crafted items you might have to gain reputation for the new tier, the design includes new guild crafting quests that will very quickly move you through the reputation increase. We hope you enjoy this new guild crafting experience. Note that in the current Bullroarer build, all aspects of the new crafting tier are not yet in place.

[Ballie]

Are these craft guild quest tied to Minas Morgul content?

Many of us will have guilded crafter alts to fill in those professions our mains lack. How are these alt crafters otherwise affected?

[Tybur]

Are these craft guild quest tied to Minas Morgul content?

Many of us will have guilded crafter alts to fill in those professions our mains lack. How are these alt crafters otherwise affected?

I have not been working on those quests, but my understanding is that, as long your account has access to minas morgul, and your crafting alts have guild standing (of a certain tier), then the alts will be able to to do these guild crafting quests regardless of level (and having completed no other minas morgul quests). I believe the quests are bestowed by standard guild npcs which are scattered throughout the world (so for example, a level 10 cooking alt who has reached Westemnet Master of the Guild, might go to Michel Delving to speak with Aesseledh to pick up one of these new crafting guild quests).

[auximenes]

Crafting should never be tied to character level. I've been really displeased with how often that has happened in recent crafting tiers. I've pretty much shelved crafting other than consumables for a long time now.

[Fegefeuer]

... as long your account has access to minas morgul, and your crafting alts have guild standing (of a certain tier), then the alts will be able to to do these guild crafting quests regardless of level (and having completed no other minas morgul quests). I believe the quests are bestowed by standard guild npcs which are scattered throughout the world ...

I totally do not agree with the first part of this. If I remember correctly, you didn't need any expansion for anything related with guild reputation or recipes. I might be wrong because many years passed, but to craft the westemnet reputation items you needed to buy the recipes in the guild hall. The recipes to craft stuff were also bought there (maybe I'm wrong with the Fangorn gear, I can't remember if that was from the guild hall or a barterer in West Rohan). Other than the gear, I am pretty sure that the reputation items were bought in a vendor apart from the expansion. To have these new quests tied to this new expansion, when even low lvl characters could complete it, is wrong in my opinion.

You could get max guild reputation by crafting low reputation items, instead getting the 50k reputation that a quest said that you could obtain. It would take much longer, but it would be possible. So why tie it to the expansion anyway? Please, change this. It is the only wrong thing I see with the new guild tier.

Example: Tailor's Guild NPC that sells all the reputation items: https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Jarm%C3%A1rr

Edit: I was wrong with the Fangorn gear, it was indeed bought in the Guild Hall. Here the NPC of Tailor's Guild that sells the gear: https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Toby_Eatwell

[Laurelinarien]

I'm gonna place this here, where the feedback should be.

Granted, I haven't tried the new quests. Gonna add that later today. Edit: new quests may not have been included to all the NPCs. I did find one on my LM:



The following is the estimated grind for players who may lack access to the Minas Morgul quests but want to get Honoured Master with the Guild

Considering the wiki numbers are right, to get 200k rep with the Guild you'd need to craft all current rep items from Expert to Westemnet tier almost 6 times (if you were making each of them once a week).

Now, if you craft every day, per week you're able to make 1 Large, 3 Medium, 7 Small (maaaaybe you can squeeze in a 4th Medium, I rarely can due to my schedule) =
7 Small per tier per week = 29,400 Rep
3 Medium per tier per week = 37,800 Rep
5 Large a week (1 per tier) = 21k Rep

Total per week = 88,200, so it's shy of 3 weeks of this to reach 200k without Minas Morgul crafting quests

Lastly, if people think I'm using this as a pro-grind justification, think again. Nothing here is an opinion.

[Ballie]

I logged in two chars together. One a VIP the other a Free to Play account. Both were at max rep for their craft guilds. Both 120.

Neither account has pre-purchased the MM expansion.

The VIP one has their crafting guild rep opened up to progress, dropped 159k of cxp tokens I had left over. The F2P account has not got the next guild craft rep exposed and rep token remain at "you are at the maximum reputation for this item".

The VIP does have Mordor, the F2P doesn't.

The store has nothing in addition to the normal guild access items.

Is this a VIP only, VIP and Premium or just there aren't any F2P still active and have been forgotten?

Also I could not find any additional craft guild quests from guild npcs in Galtrev.

As neither really has access to MM is it a bug one does have it opened up?


EDIT I could be wrong... the F2P had visited eyes & Guard so may inadvertently accessed a rep bestower as I notice when applying the full 200k rep on other vip accnt chars that both show as being at Honoured Masters of the guild.

[Fegefeuer]

I logged in two chars together. One a VIP the other a Free to Play account. Both were at max rep for their craft guilds. Both 120.

Neither account has pre-purchased the MM expansion.

The VIP one has their crafting guild rep opened up to progress, dropped 159k of cxp tokens I had left over. The F2P account has not got the next guild craft rep exposed and rep token remain at "you are at the maximum reputation for this item".

The VIP does have Mordor, the F2P doesn't.

The store has nothing in addition to the normal guild access items.

Is this a VIP only, VIP and Premium or just there aren't any F2P still active and have been forgotten?

Also I could not find any additional craft guild quests from guild npcs in Galtrev.

As neither really has access to MM is it a bug one does have it opened up?


EDIT I could be wrong... the F2P had visited eyes & Guard so may inadvertently accessed a rep bestower as I notice when applying the full 200k rep on other vip accnt chars that both show as being at Honoured Masters of the guild.

You can't test this on bullroarer because you have minas morgul unlocked always. I haven't bought minas morgul and I could do quests in the expansion in bullroarer. The only way to test/clarify this, is a dev saying it, or waiting for minas morgul to be released in live and test it.

[Ballie]

I think it must have been a eyes & guard bestow as guild rep token on live and beta numbers match still. I just never noticed it max out.

[Erionor]

Any chance of adding some new guild recipes at Anorien, Doomfold and Ironfold tiers to fill in the gaps here? It would be really nice to be able to craft useable gear to get alts through the levels once the expansion hits, especially as there won’t be as many people running the instances.

[Belechael]

What is available right now for those that complete the next guild tier?

Is it necessary to complete this quest from your guild leader in order to unlock further recipes? Because I couldn't find any new guild related recipes at the camp before Minas Morgul.

And may I mention what a terrible idea it is to have guild representatives in a camp in the middle of a combat zone? Especially between Osgiliath and Minas Morgul! Imho it is ridiculous!

[Laurelinarien]

The only recipes tier 12 I found at the Improved Recipes NPC weren't gated by the completion of any quests, just requires having the tier unlocked. But those recipes are only related to the new guild quests, there aren't any items (like pockets in my case) that I found to craft).



These are some automatically granted recipes for Scholar

[Ballie]

Did they forget we have better anvil warding and battle lore already?

[Laurelinarien]

Did they forget we have better anvil warding and battle lore already?

I'm gonna GUESS that a better version of the ones you're thinking of is gonna come with the next raid in a similar fashion

[Laurelinarien]

These are the Guild recipes I was able to find at the "Improved Recipes" NPC

Tinker

Found only the one gear recipe and no decorations



Weaponsmith

4 off-hands + 5 decorations



Woodworker

3 weapons + 9 decorations



Tailor

2 recipes for head piece, no decorations



Scholar

3 types of scrolls + 3 decorations



Cook

1 food recipe + 4 decorations

[Laurelinarien]

Metalsmith

3 types of shields + 1 Helm + 3 Decorations

[Nevyn55]

We were able to add in a new crafting guild tier in Minas Morgul that we feel adds to the crafting experience.
While you can continue to use any guild rep crafted items you might have to gain reputation for the new tier, the design includes new guild crafting quests that will very quickly move you through the reputation increase. We hope you enjoy this new guild crafting experience. Note that in the current Bullroarer build, all aspects of the new crafting tier are not yet in place.

I might enjoy the new Tailor Guild tier if mobs right outside the camp would drop the correct hides. I can get skarn, logs, and gems even (if my toon could use them), but only ironfold hides are dropping from the level 123-4 mobs. And even if I could gather enough hides to craft even a single item (40-80+ each), I couldn't wear it until level 130.

[Ardster]

you can get the minas ithil hides and leathers in the EnG. the item you cant get is the Ithilgalad Hides, which appear to come from using the Flame of Ancalamir on "something" to decon said item and get the hide.

[Calding]

I have noticed that the Battle/Warding scrolls of the Anvil (lvl 120) are higher stats than the lvl 121 Minas Ithil ones. Wonder if this is an oversight or if the Anvil ones will be downgraded due to some of the stat adjustments?

[Bitza]

I checked out the improved legendary recipe guild barterer/vendor today, and noticed a difference between the t9 and t13 weapon recipes. At t9, the melee weapon recipes available from the guild vendor had a 1 week (OK, 6 days and some-odd hours) CD and required that tier guild mastery.

At t13, however, there was no CD and required no guild mastery. Seems like a bug, to not require guild mastery to use the recipes bought from the guild vendor.

[Ballie]

My Tinker who is Guilded with the Jewellers was still able to visit the Cook guild Improved recipes vendor and buy the housing item recipes as well as buying a recipe called "Recipe" and gained knowledge of the Ithilharn Roll. Is this intended?

Ithilharn Roll requires an ingredient found from using the Flame of Ancalamir - Ithilgalad Salt.

Jewellers Guild single gear recipe is 4 output currently all might stated necklace. Also requiring 10 mats from disenchants.

Consequences are that if you are capped on Embers, and don't have the access yet to spend any, you can't disenchant for these guild craft mats. What an utterly stupid idea!

[Bragolos]

My Tinker who is Guilded with the Jewellers was still able to visit the Cook guild Improved recipes vendor and buy the housing item recipes as well as buying a recipe called "Recipe" and gained knowledge of the Ithilharn Roll. Is this intended?

Ithilharn Roll requires an ingredient found from using the Flame of Ancalamir - Ithilgalad Salt.

Jewellers Guild single gear recipe is 4 output currently all might stated necklace. Also requiring 10 mats from disenchants.

Consequences are that if you are capped on Embers, and don't have the access yet to spend any, you can't disenchant for these guild craft mats. What an utterly stupid idea!

Does anyone already know what mysterious items need to be disenchanted to get the various special ingredients for the guild recipes? Perhaps some other crafting materials (in which case embers won't be an issue)? Or as a RNG drop from enchanting normal gear? That last one would be tricky and kind of frustrating...

[Ballie]

My Guilded Scholar's turn:

Weaponsmith Improved Recipe npc allowed me to buy five housing item recipes and Vanguard Axe, Dagger, Mace and Sword recipes. Weapons faults detailed elsewhere - come on!
Have not noticed any recipe that requires any disenchant mat, all just require Minas Ithil Ingots; 20 for decorations and surprisingly bucking the trend, 30 for the weapons.

Farmer has a problem or two. The new Peat requires a Pile of Rich Ironfold Soil, not a new tier soil, I don't have any new soils. Have not yet found a vendor that can sell me [Hearty Crop Seed] or [Barrel of Refined Water]. This puts a stop to any advancement in Farming and Cooking for testing outputs against tool-tips.

Scholar: Lots of copy and paste without increases to stats or timings, the typical thing. The recipe requiring a disenchant is a consumable rather than the expected Pocket item and matches the Cook's Guild for buffs so in combination the two 2.5% buffs to damage and healing could be combined to have 5% in each. The 5% given by my [19 Special Honey-rolls] devalued as it's tool tip mentions it being less effective beyond level 120. The new 2.5% scroll NOT effective after level 130. Not checked back on the cook yet...the same deal?

Underwhelmed as per.

Edit: resorted to E&G craft hall to find farming mats amongst other profession mats.

[Ballie]

@Bragolos
I disenchanted the contents of 5 barter boxes 280+ gear and it only returned the Embers, ran out of gear to disenchant on that char but I don't want to go through all the other gear I have on BR if it's not yet active, then can't test later.

Will have to wait and see but so far there's so much missing that it's hugely frustrating to test.

[Ballie]

Guilded Weaponsmith

Able to pickup all the Woodworker guild tier 13 recipes including the four guild craft quest ones. Yet again Clubs are classed as Ranged weapons... Why can't you up date your procedures? All might and common damage again.

Weaponsmith as for scholar above.

The expansion will be release before we can properly test all this, shame!

Gulmarks for Embers quest maybe should be renamed to Gulmarks for Motes.
Same with Longbeard Marks for Embers.
Craft for Embers however still requires Ember-worthy crafts and returns Embers. WaI? Or just forgotten as until now it's was not worth the resources. Can see our redundant Dwarrowgleam Shards having a use if it is.