U31 patch notes are a treasure trove

[oggbnvwnyc]

> The Brawler toggle skills, Aggressive Posture and Defensive Posture, should no longer be cancelled when the Brawler is stunned

Sounds as if SSG doesn't even know themselves if that works or not.


> Item Experience runes have been added to many non-repeatable Gundabad quests and other rewards temporarily since the new reward track is not yet available. This will make sure players do not lose their quest awarded item experience

How can it "make sure" that quest item exp is not lost when only "many" quests have item exp runes added to them, and not all of them?


And I like that there's not a single word about UI or UX in regards to the "improved" LI-system, even though this "producer" was touting of something of doing something like that "over the next weeks".

[Thurinuor]

> The Brawler toggle skills, Aggressive Posture and Defensive Posture, should no longer be cancelled when the Brawler is stunned

Sounds as if SSG doesn't even know themselves if that works or not.


> Item Experience runes have been added to many non-repeatable Gundabad quests and other rewards temporarily since the new reward track is not yet available. This will make sure players do not lose their quest awarded item experience

How can it "make sure" that quest item exp is not lost when only "many" quests have item exp runes added to them, and not all of them?


And I like that there's not a single word about UI or UX in regards to the "improved" LI-system, even though this "producer" was touting of something of doing something like that "over the next weeks".

- "Should" is often used in patch notes. This is not specific related to lotro, it's for many MMOs out there.
- Not every quest gives LIXP. This has been the case in the past and this will be the case in the future. Nothing special here.
- If you are talking about the reward track with the new LI UI panel, it's officially confirmed for a patch after Gundabad. Hopefully with 31.1. You can read it here: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...30#post8103830

[JMakin]

- "Should" is often used in patch notes. This is not specific related to lotro, it's for many MMOs out there.
- Not every quest gives LIXP. This has been the case in the past and this will be the case in the future. Nothing special here.
- If you are talking about the reward track with the new LI UI panel, it's officially confirmed for a patch after Gundabad. Hopefully with 31.1. You can read it here: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...30#post8103830

What's the "reward track"? Can someone share some details please?

[Suzina]

What's the "reward track"? Can someone share some details please?

People use words like "reward track" or "reward scheduling" to just mean the rate at which you get upgrades.

Like an example of a harsh reward track would be like we need 10k script for each tracery and each instance run only gets us about 100 script. That'd be too long to wait for rewards and would be frustrating and grindy.

[Gorikon]

What's the "reward track"? Can someone share some details please?

Basically, its a system that eats Item XP (from quests and IXP runes) and spits out items for your new legendary items when a certain amount of IXP is reached. (Probably gives you Traceries, Upgrade Runes, Ancient Script.) The Reward Track was supposed to come with U31, but was postponed.

[JMakin]

People use words like "reward track" or "reward scheduling" to just mean the rate at which you get upgrades.

Like an example of a harsh reward track would be like we need 10k script for each tracery and each instance run only gets us about 100 script. That'd be too long to wait for rewards and would be frustrating and grindy.

I don't understand. Sorry. We do have 131 Enhancement Runes already today. What "reward" with regards to the new LIs are we talking about? New traceries? And which role do LI XP runes play here?

[Thurinuor]

The reward track is a "path" for your Legendary Item, like the old one was in some cases. You collect Item XP and the bar will fill up. On milestones or on level ups you get rewards like traceries, more XP or something like that. The reward track will be reset every season (every big patch like U32/33/etc.) so you will have new paths every few month.

That's it how I understand the reward track. I don't know if it is 100% correct.

[JMakin]

Basically, its a system that eats Item XP (from quests and IXP runes) and spits out items for your new legendary items when a certain amount of IXP is reached. (Probably gives you Traceries, Upgrade Runes, Ancient Script.) The Reward Track was supposed to come with U31, but was postponed.

Thanks. This makes sense. So we don't really know what the system will look like, and the rewards it will grant over time?

[BigLotroFan]

There is always vague wording in the release notes. It bugs me enough not to read them anymore lol. XYZ has been “slightly” or “somewhat” altered doesn’t tell me anything.

[Laurelinarien]

Thanks. This makes sense. So we don't really know what the system will look like, and the rewards it will grant over time?

No we don't... it's frustrating for a lot of us when our kinnies and fellow players ask about a Track that nobody has seen yet. If it helps, consider it a concept under development (and don't throw away your IXP runes) - if you need to visualize it, think of the reward tracks you have in the Epic Battles panel (where the bar fills up and yields jewellery pieces of different rarities).

But we don't have precise & extensive information until SSG can show it.

[JMakin]

No we don't... it's frustrating for a lot of us when our kinnies and fellow players ask about a Track that nobody has seen yet. If it helps, consider it a concept under development (and don't throw away your IXP runes) - if you need to visualize it, think of the reward tracks you have in the Epic Battles panel (where the bar fills up and yields jewellery pieces of different rarities).

But we don't have precise & extensive information until SSG can show it.

I am, personally, ok with that. I just saw this for the first time and was curious and under the impression I had missed something that had already been presented to some extent to the community. Seems like this is not the case. Looking forward to this track...

[JERH]

Look up “battle pass” on Wikipedia for a general introduction. What is in the lotro version is yet to be determined. Big disparity between those with 100k IXP and 100 million IXP? Sure, but how does SSG handle it.

[Fr0striven]

I am, personally, ok with that. I just saw this for the first time and was curious and under the impression I had missed something that had already been presented to some extent to the community. Seems like this is not the case. Looking forward to this track...

Great attitude. The game and forum could use more people like you and less "the sky is falling" people like the Original Poster, who only comes on here to complain.

[JMakin]

Look up “battle pass” on Wikipedia for a general introduction. What is in the lotro version is yet to be determined. Big disparity between those with 100k IXP and 100 million IXP? Sure, but how does SSG handle it.

Thank you! Is this your understanding/guess of what is coming, or was it mentioned anywhere from SSG that the "reward track" would follow this approach?

I am not questioning it, I am just curious as to where this type of information or announcements can be found. As you can tell, I am new to the forums (and really anything that happens outside of the actual game...)

[Loreineth]

No we don't... it's frustrating for a lot of us when our kinnies and fellow players ask about a Track that nobody has seen yet. If it helps, consider it a concept under development (and don't throw away your IXP runes) - if you need to visualize it, think of the reward tracks you have in the Epic Battles panel (where the bar fills up and yields jewellery pieces of different rarities).

But we don't have precise & extensive information until SSG can show it.

Not trying to be a complete downer, but, w/o a use for those runes that drop, I don't have a way to level my LIs any further in Moria. I used up my stash of infused gems, which don't drop anymore...

Once I read the patch note that the reward track is not in the game yet, I'm just going back to something else. I'm leveling a couple of 50ish chars, and they have new LIs to level. I'm not setting foot back in the game until the reward track is in game and working.

To do otherwise is a complete waste of my time, better spent playing something else.

Lotro had an opportunity to hook me again, but they've lost it now, since they can't seem to deliver stuff on time, and especially they can't deliver anything, it seems, for anyone who isn't already 130. Endwalker I can enter on the 19th, and HOI4 No Step Back drops on the 23rd. Guess I can farm snowflakes in 0.10.10 starting today till one of the first two things I mentioned launches.

YMMV.

[Cordovan]

> The Brawler toggle skills, Aggressive Posture and Defensive Posture, should no longer be cancelled when the Brawler is stunned

Sounds as if SSG doesn't even know themselves if that works or not.


> Item Experience runes have been added to many non-repeatable Gundabad quests and other rewards temporarily since the new reward track is not yet available. This will make sure players do not lose their quest awarded item experience

How can it "make sure" that quest item exp is not lost when only "many" quests have item exp runes added to them, and not all of them?


And I like that there's not a single word about UI or UX in regards to the "improved" LI-system, even though this "producer" was touting of something of doing something like that "over the next weeks".

Ok no problem on the justified call out over the use of "many", but the intention is indeed all. If we missed something, let us know. I am sure we are not done with Legendary Item UI, but that work will have to be released when it is ready.

[Curuer_Bauglir]

I have no idea what an LI track is or what effect it being pushed back has. I just log in and play the game. Should I be waiting to do any quests or just log in and play and not care about whatever the hell it is they're talking about?

[Laurelinarien]

Ok no problem on the justified call out over the use of "many", but the intention is indeed all. If we missed something, let us know. I am sure we are not done with Legendary Item UI, but that work will have to be released when it is ready.

Cord, is it an oversight that lower level players can't travel to the Hall of Vernozal for the missions? The stable is greyed out and requires mithril currently. Since riding there is not a solution for them and joining the Allegiance doesn't teleport to Prince Ingor I was hoping the mission stable would be unlocked.

[Loreineth]

Ok no problem on the justified call out over the use of "many", but the intention is indeed all. If we missed something, let us know. I am sure we are not done with Legendary Item UI, but that work will have to be released when it is ready.

What are the players still in Moria supposed to do if they don't have infused gems, since they don't drop now?

I was waiting for reward track, but I can't advance LIs with IXP runes, obviously.

Are you going to help out the lower level players, or are only 130s worthy of help?

[bjute]

What are the players still in Moria supposed to do if they don't have infused gems, since they don't drop now?

I was waiting for reward track, but I can't advance LIs with IXP runes, obviously.

Are you going to help out the lower level players, or are only 130s worthy of help?

LI's advance automatically depending on character level? As I understand it, the new LIs are much more powerful in DPS compared to the old LIs, so even without traceries you are good...

[oggbnvwnyc]

- "Should" is often used in patch notes. This is not specific related to lotro, it's for many MMOs out there.
- Not every quest gives LIXP. This has been the case in the past and this will be the case in the future. Nothing special here.
- If you are talking about the reward track with the new LI UI panel, it's officially confirmed for a patch after Gundabad. Hopefully with 31.1. You can read it here: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...30#post8103830

1. Might be, but in the case of SSG there can only be the interpretation of "We hope our fix did something" considering their track record
2. I'm not talking about that not every quest has it, I'm referring to the wording that heavily implies "We did if for some quests, but not for every quest", ergo there will be quests which should reward LIXP items, but don't
3. I'm talking about that as response to my thread about the abysmal UI and UX of the "improved" LI-system:

Suffice to say, while there're lots of folks with legitimate frustrations, the update seems to have gone pretty well overall. I've definitely seen things go far worse, so we're pretty happy atm. We're working on our next patch and upcoming Bullroarer as well, so folks will be able to see continued progress. We definitely understand that we should've had something for players ingame that gave them a heads up on the update - we frankly ran out of time and deprioritized it. We'll be discussing that decisions - among others - over the next few weeks.

And we'll keep reading stuff, though we'll probably not be able to respond consistently still, just because Gundabad is coming down the mountain pretty soon

Hope that all was coherent, my brain's a little mushy at this point.

https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...50#post8098050

With https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...ight=li+rework as the context.

And in that regard those patch notes offer nothing but a big void.

[DavidmeetHal]

What are the players still in Moria supposed to do if they don't have infused gems, since they don't drop now?

So that explains it! I was trying to get them to drop last night so I could use the instances in Dolven View. Ok, this needs to be fixed, like NOW.

[Loreineth]

LI's advance automatically depending on character level? As I understand it, the new LIs are much more powerful in DPS compared to the old LIs, so even without traceries you are good...

Not so much on a mini. My primary damage is not from swinging a weapon. Besides traceries, where am I supposed to get runes?

Also, I find no fun in using a bare LI, even if it works. I'm not a focused-on-endgame-only player, so I like to have functional things, you know?

I've already said I'll just play something else till they deliver the reward track. But, I'm also very much disappointed in SSG.

I've been defending them, but no more. I've had enough for now.

[Loreineth]

So that explains it! I was trying to get them to drop last night so I could use the instances in Dolven View. Ok, this needs to be fixed, like NOW.

Been known and reported multiple times since 30.3.

Not even an acknowledgement that it's an issue about it from SSG, let alone a "We'll fix this.", unless I missed seeing something.

I used up my stash of gems already, so I've stopped playing till they give me a way to progress. I have a good stash of ixp, too.

[JERH]

Not so much on a mini. My primary damage is not from swinging a weapon. Besides traceries, where am I supposed to get runes?

Also, I find no fun in using a bare LI, even if it works. I'm not a focused-on-endgame-only player, so I like to have functional things, you know?

I've already said I'll just play something else till they deliver the reward track. But, I'm also very much disappointed in SSG.

I've been defending them, but no more. I've had enough for now.

Mini, LM, rk use TDR which is approximately 4x on new LI vs old LI. Or THR for healing. So, yes, TDR=caster dps. my 80 rk saw a doubling on tooltip damage when switching to a new LI with no traceries. With a mix of yellow/purple (and no heraldries) I saw a tripling of tooltip damage to the point ceaseless was doing 100% of a normal mob damage with each hit.