@ Fants..

[FairySoul]

I want to ask our pvmp developer a quick question. How is supposed for creep not healing classes to fight or kill one million morale pool freeps.. or higher with this current ridiculous dps you gave to every creep damaging skill? If that is "the balance", play the game yourself, please. I returned after a long time with expectations and all this.. Skills dealing 12 to 15k damage on people with a million or higher morale feels as the company is moking creep players again.. deception.. frustration.. As long you cant fix pvmp at least close pvmp itself and stop throwing false illusions on your players.

[Fresuvi]

I want to ask our pvmp developer a quick question. How is supposed for creep not healing classes to fight or kill one million morale pool freeps.. or higher with this current ridiculous dps you gave to every creep damaging skill? If that is "the balance", play the game yourself, please. I returned after a long time with expectations and all this.. Skills dealing 12 to 15k damage on people with a million or higher morale feels as the company is moking creep players again.. deception.. frustration.. As long you cant fix pvmp at least close pvmp itself and stop throwing false illusions on your players.

Outside of freeps who have spent the time to grind out like 40k comms to gear a character, creeps are dominating 1v1’s and group v group play right now. Defiler’s are healing like 1 million HPS in raids. Unless you’re like a rank 0 greenie there is no reason you shouldn’t be able to kill a freep.

[Daec]

I want to ask our pvmp developer a quick question. How is supposed for creep not healing classes to fight or kill one million morale pool freeps.. or higher with this current ridiculous dps you gave to every creep damaging skill? If that is "the balance", play the game yourself, please. I returned after a long time with expectations and all this.. Skills dealing 12 to 15k damage on people with a million or higher morale feels as the company is moking creep players again.. deception.. frustration.. As long you cant fix pvmp at least close pvmp itself and stop throwing false illusions on your players.

How are you traited? Rank? What classes are you fighting? A lot of left out of this to draw any meaningful conclusions other than general complaining.

[FairySoul]

How are you traited? Rank? What classes are you fighting? A lot of left out of this to draw any meaningful conclusions other than general complaining.

tried rank 13 reaver, rank 13 stalker, rank 15 blackarrow, rank 14 weaver, all of these classes damage are too easy for any freep to fight against..
about setups, used two, one with six mastery boost and six critical boost and another with five of the mentioned boosts and two finesse, no one of my attacks was higher than 15k, impale damage is very low, ds damage is on same place, as warg i could score a couple of devastating claw hits never higher then 20k..
many blackarrows are tied to only three skills, hindering shoot + tangleshot and sometimes vital target, the whole pack of remaining skills are useless, 8k dot from snare 16k dot from fire trap, decent freeps can't even bother about that.. weaver dots are already nerfed..

In the other hand the healer classes.. the only ones able to survive or keep others alive.. just because heals are strong.. or maybe only WAI..

As a returning player i am seeking some fun, but it is not possible.. as long as i go for a damaging build i am killed because free peoples morale/healing/damage is balanced, not ours..

That brings me to another point.. actually it is nearly impossible to have duels.. meeting only large groups zerging everything at their sight.. i guess that's same at all servers.. or perhaps not..

Saw 16 creep players chasing a minstrel.. 16 players for one kill.. that says pretty much unless you are fighting against real dummies skill wise..

Dont forget both.. creeps and freeps.. actually roams in large groups or raids.. lagging.. zerging.. you can't barely move if you aproach 60 persons fighting at the very same spot and i am afraid this aint going to change.. and that is the reason of my post..

So.. at this point i invite yours to make a dps/damage test.. check the results by yourself..

[FairySoul]

Outside of freeps who have spent the time to grind out like 40k comms to gear a character, creeps are dominating 1v1’s and group v group play right now. Defiler’s are healing like 1 million HPS in raids. Unless you’re like a rank 0 greenie there is no reason you shouldn’t be able to kill a freep.

irrelevant.. not worth a reply

[Spilo]

as warg i could score a couple of devastating claw hits never higher then 20k

man if youre gonna troll you gotta work on your execution

[FairySoul]

man if youre gonna troll you gotta work on your execution

care to show us your damage?

remember damage per skill.. not dps.. even both being insulting low

ps.. stop posting please.. =)

[Spilo]

care to show us your damage?

remember damage per skill.. not dps.. even both being insulting low

ps.. stop posting please.. =)

4 crit, 3 mastery, no puddle, no rend inc damage, no other debuffs/buffs on a geared Champion with even Outposts

Kurai scored a critical hit with Bestial Claws on Celerdir for 54,042 Fell-wrought damage to Morale.
Kurai scored a critical hit with Piercing Claws on Celerdir for 118,100 Fell-wrought damage to Morale.
Kurai scored a devastating hit with Swipe on Celerdir for 68,382 Fell-wrought damage to Morale.
Rend flesh non crit was 17k, crit was 36k.
Scratch and Snip was 29k,
Kurai scored a critical hit with Sudden Maul on Celerdir for 45,326 Fell-wrought damage to Morale.


So every skill besides auto attacks easily crits for 30k+ in a non glass build without any debuffs/buff, and again this was on a heavy armor with top gear.


ggs.

[FairySoul]

irrelevant amount of bs

sure dude.. geared without audacity.. what a joke.. you are fighting against real dummies gear and skill wise.. NA server, right? NA players are utter walking trash..

on audacity freeps your damage is never higher then 30 to 40k devs..

ps.. stop posting please.. =)

[Daec]

tried rank 13 reaver, rank 13 stalker, rank 15 blackarrow, rank 14 weaver, all of these classes damage are too easy for any freep to fight against..
about setups, used two, one with six mastery boost and six critical boost and another with five of the mentioned boosts and two finesse, no one of my attacks was higher than 15k, impale damage is very low, ds damage is on same place, as warg i could score a couple of devastating claw hits never higher then 20k..
many blackarrows are tied to only three skills, hindering shoot + tangleshot and sometimes vital target, the whole pack of remaining skills are useless, 8k dot from snare 16k dot from fire trap, decent freeps can't even bother about that.. weaver dots are already nerfed..

In the other hand the healer classes.. the only ones able to survive or keep others alive.. just because heals are strong.. or maybe only WAI..

As a returning player i am seeking some fun, but it is not possible.. as long as i go for a damaging build i am killed because free peoples morale/healing/damage is balanced, not ours..

That brings me to another point.. actually it is nearly impossible to have duels.. meeting only large groups zerging everything at their sight.. i guess that's same at all servers.. or perhaps not..

Saw 16 creep players chasing a minstrel.. 16 players for one kill.. that says pretty much unless you are fighting against real dummies skill wise..

Dont forget both.. creeps and freeps.. actually roams in large groups or raids.. lagging.. zerging.. you can't barely move if you aproach 60 persons fighting at the very same spot and i am afraid this aint going to change.. and that is the reason of my post..

So.. at this point i invite yours to make a dps/damage test.. check the results by yourself..

Not trying to sound like a jerk, but this definitely seems to be user error.

my damage on BA feels fine, its the only DPS class i've played to this point but it seems to do its job. Wargs definitely do more damage than what you're saying. Also the damage spilo linked is accurate for a geared freep as i can confirm Celerdir is well geared champ.

Also outside of the new mini bubble, minstrels are hilariously bad in all aspects.

[Fants_SSG]

sure dude.. geared without audacity.. what a joke.. you are fighting against real dummies gear and skill wise.. NA server, right? NA players are utter walking trash..

on audacity freeps your damage is never higher then 30 to 40k devs..

ps.. stop posting please.. =)

Please don't attack entire regions or other players. It's ignorant and disrespectful.

That being said, we are continuing to balance the game and creeps and freeps will do varying amounts of damage to each other as we adjust numbers.

[Snowlock]

That being said, we are continuing to balance the game and creeps and freeps will do varying amounts of damage to each other as we adjust numbers.

Any ideas yet on timeframe of next update?

[Areyekuwe]

What things are near 100%? And need to be looked at?

Many say creep healing. And I say creep healing is high to you only if you have powerty mentality, and thinking in unrelated way about past numbers from years ago. It has to be high to keep up with current morale pools not even damage output.

However fighting a cappy that absorbs 90 to 100% of your hits or a guardian that takes 6 people to kill. These things are new. That similar guardian never needed more then 3 creeps to bring down before.

Defiler though as soon as they are slowed / interrupted they are fast dead with their 2.7M morale because several of the good heals are LONG inductions.

Usual damage on my DPS class on regular classes like hunters, burgs, champions and casters is ok. Yes mini is harder to kill, but i am not complaining because in their healing stance they do not attack anyone either. Pretty much same as creep side healers, that do have some dps that can be used, but if you are under attack, all you do is heal self really.

[Areyekuwe]

Any ideas yet on timeframe of next update?

Sure he has "an idea" he is working on it. Sometimes these kinds of questions seem to me as a bit agitated.

We just had an update that brought record numbers into the game on both sides.

And nearky no one is complaining really.

We are NOT in a bad spot now.

Rank / commendations farming is the only problem that makes everything look cheap and strange.

There are some oddities like that R15 Guardian that needs 6 creeps to kill. But guess thay earned it, salute to them. Actually it is kinda good I guess. Wish that they could not cause any damage too, but I am just spitefull.

[Areyekuwe]

care to show us your damage?

remember damage per skill.. not dps.. even both being insulting low

ps.. stop posting please.. =)

Oh gosh. Don't talk like this to spilo man, he will bury you in material.
He must continue posting too. I only have time to absorb about 20% of what he is talking about on a regular.
So the more times he posts, the more chances for me :P

But 20K is an actual trolling remark. Tooltip for my claws in 60K and it stays in that range. Something you are doing wrong? Maybe. Who knows?

[lRichMaN]

I want to ask our pvmp developer a quick question. How is supposed for creep not healing classes to fight or kill one million morale pool freeps.. or higher with this current ridiculous dps you gave to every creep damaging skill? If that is "the balance", play the game yourself, please. I returned after a long time with expectations and all this.. Skills dealing 12 to 15k damage on people with a million or higher morale feels as the company is moking creep players again.. deception.. frustration.. As long you cant fix pvmp at least close pvmp itself and stop throwing false illusions on your players.

I've been doing PvMP regularly since the update came. The balance seems fine except for a few things. Now there is a balance where playz and talent will come to the fore rather than class/gear difference.

I think the only problem here is that you're not a good player. You do not have a command of the class you are playing or you do not have detailed information. There are guides for each class on the forum. I recommend you take a look at them.

[Cvelwulf]

Since I have been locked out of my brawler after using a character token, and have been waiting all week for some sort of response from SSG. I have been trying out PvMP as a monster. So far, my experience is that I am weaker than most npc mobs. I have been killed so much, that my rating dropped to 41 before the person camping the me, mostly at the monster base, decided to just toy with me and emote at me for a while, since I couldn't do a lick of damage. I have read that I need to rank up to 6+ to be able to make some sort of dent, but I am having my doubts, as it takes me being a group with other monsters, to maybe kill one free person after an exaggeratingly long amount of time. I got to rank 2 as a black arrow yesterday after several hours in a laggy zerg, but my damage and survivability don't feel changed. I thought about spending money to see if that improves my monster character, but I already spent hundreds on my brawler and honestly just want to play that, also of afraid of anything else getting locked out.

[Naphemil]

Please don't attack entire regions or other players. It's ignorant and disrespectful.

That being said, we are continuing to balance the game and creeps and freeps will do varying amounts of damage to each other as we adjust numbers.

Any word on when there won't be insane amounts of lag in the moors when more than 7 people are in the area?

[Gozog]

Since I have been locked out of my brawler after using a character token, and have been waiting all week for some sort of response from SSG. I have been trying out PvMP as a monster. So far, my experience is that I am weaker than most npc mobs. I have been killed so much, that my rating dropped to 41 before the person camping the me, mostly at the monster base, decided to just toy with me and emote at me for a while, since I couldn't do a lick of damage. I have read that I need to rank up to 6+ to be able to make some sort of dent, but I am having my doubts, as it takes me being a group with other monsters, to maybe kill one free person after an exaggeratingly long amount of time. I got to rank 2 as a black arrow yesterday after several hours in a laggy zerg, but my damage and survivability don't feel changed. I thought about spending money to see if that improves my monster character, but I already spent hundreds on my brawler and honestly just want to play that, also of afraid of anything else getting locked out.

What server are you on? I would be happy to help you rank if you are on Crick.

[FairySoul]

I've been doing PvMP regularly since the update came.

I think the only problem here is that you're not a good player. You do not have a command of the class you are playing or you do not have detailed information. There are guides for each class on the forum. I recommend you take a look at them.

[FairySoul]

Oh gosh. Don't talk like this to spilo man, he will bury you in material.
He must continue posting too. I only have time to absorb about 20% of what he is talking about on a regular.
So the more times he posts, the more chances for me :P

But 20K is an actual trolling remark. Tooltip for my claws in 60K and it stays in that range. Something you are doing wrong? Maybe. Who knows?

[Kate00]

I've been doing PvMP regularly since the update came. The balance seems fine except for a few things. Now there is a balance where playz and talent will come to the fore rather than class/gear difference.

I think the only problem here is that you're not a good player. You do not have a command of the class you are playing or you do not have detailed information. There are guides for each class on the forum. I recommend you take a look at them.

The only thing out in the moors is champs and captains, at least when I've played, and they are all sitting at GG despite having an arena killing the same creeps over and over.

[Naphemil]

Please don't attack entire regions or other players. It's ignorant and disrespectful.

That being said, we are continuing to balance the game and creeps and freeps will do varying amounts of damage to each other as we adjust numbers.

hey, just wondering if you think champs are balanced cant wait for your opinion when you respond in two years to this forum that gets MAYBE 5 posts a day on an active day. Thanks.

[Fants_SSG]

hey, just wondering if you think champs are balanced cant wait for your opinion when you respond in two years to this forum that gets MAYBE 5 posts a day on an active day. Thanks.

We try to be communicative, but you're usually not going to get a reply on a Sunday. No, I don't think champs are balanced, but then again, I don't do the balance work for champs.

Also, I don't check the forums more than once or twice a week. https://discord.gg/ZYzMN4uHGx is a better place to ask questions about PvMP.

[Kate00]

@ Fants

any idea if defiler flies will ever get fixed? I bugged it over 2 years ago. They dont drain freep power and get oneshot. They are basically at this point just a defeat response for freeps.

BTW since you thought it was a good idea to nerf the only viable healing class creepside by 25% after a 10% nerf when is the Beorning, Mini, Cappy, and RK nerf coming?


Also heard there was work being done on the IMAGINARY heal tagging problem. I suppose this will effect all 7 classes that can heal out of group?