What does F2P mean to PvMP? :/

[Sapience]

Why not allow Premium accounts to PvMP. I think it would be genius if you sold PvMP ONLY accounts on the store. You can purchase a lvl 65 freep with PvMP armor, weapons, etc and you can only play that toon in the Moors. If you want capped traits, that will cost you extra. Then you would really have a divide in populations. The PvE people can do their thing and the PvMP people can do our thing.

However a purchased PvMP freep would not be as strong as a capped PvE freep this way you don't take the advantage away from VIP members. The raid armor, loot jewelry, etc will still have better stats than the PvMP gear you obtain when you buy a PvMP slot.

Just an idea for another revenue source for Turbine. Guild Wars does this for free but Turbine could charge a fee at their online store.

Some of the ideas here are ones we have discussed internally as well. The reality is, the ettenmoors is one zone. As a result we have to consider what a massive influx of players to that zone would mean. Frankly, collapse. That would be bad for everyone, new and old players. So our first priority with the launch is to protect our long time PvMP players from that type of negative experience. Then we'll work on coming up with ways to beef up PvMP to allow for free or premium players. We're not turning a blind eye or trying to exclude PvMP from anything, we're just trying to take a 'first, do no harm' approach.

[jayspeed]

Some of the ideas here are ones we have discussed internally as well. The reality is, the ettenmoors is one zone. As a result we have to consider what a massive influx of players to that zone would mean. Frankly, collapse. That would be bad for everyone, new and old players. So our first priority with the launch is to protect our long time PvMP players from that type of negative experience. Then we'll work on coming up with ways to beef up PvMP to allow for free or premium players. We're not turning a blind eye or trying to exclude PvMP from anything, we're just trying to take a 'first, do no harm' approach.

Ok fair enough. Thanks for answering. Personally I'd still rather see PvMP skirmishes added anyway. Just PLEASE do not make a South Bridge/Elf Camp skirmish!

[de4thm4ge411]

Some of the ideas here are ones we have discussed internally as well. The reality is, the ettenmoors is one zone. As a result we have to consider what a massive influx of players to that zone would mean. Frankly, collapse. That would be bad for everyone, new and old players. So our first priority with the launch is to protect our long time PvMP players from that type of negative experience. Then we'll work on coming up with ways to beef up PvMP to allow for free or premium players. We're not turning a blind eye or trying to exclude PvMP from anything, we're just trying to take a 'first, do no harm' approach.

Why not then just give us another zone to play into? Might also make the moors a better place in most servers (mine for instance is basically just an EC/STAB fight) because I think for most people, the fact that the moors has been largely unchanged in the past 3 years has made things kind of boring..so..why not just give us a new zone to help make things new?

And how are the devs gonna 'beef up PvMP'? Are the gonna institute large changes? Or just add in a few more OPs or something?

[Sapience]

Why not then just give us another zone to play into? Might also make the moors a better place in most servers (mine for instance is basically just an EC/STAB fight) because I think for most people, the fact that the moors has been largely unchanged in the past 3 years has made things kind of boring..so..why not just give us a new zone to help make things new?

And how are the devs gonna 'beef up PvMP'? Are the gonna institute large changes? Or just add in a few more OPs or something?

By beef up PvMP I meant make it so that we can accomodate free and premimum players. Sorry if that was unclear.

As for the rest of your questions, they're part of our discussions. I don't have a list to give you because much is still undecided.

[de4thm4ge411]

Woo a sapience response! First time for me :P

Thanks for the really quick response m8! I hope you're not too troubled with all the doom-sayers

[jurlay1]

I just wanted to say, thank you Devs for taking the time to reply to all these PvMP questions. It makes me happy to see you guys working on making the Moors better for all of us. I look forward to these new changes. ^^

[Artanisul]

By beef up PvMP I meant make it so that we can accomodate free and premimum players. Sorry if that was unclear.

As for the rest of your questions, they're part of our discussions. I don't have a list to give you because much is still undecided.

So by beef up they mean keep it "over there in the corner" like it is now. The beef up part is from the "less of a pile in that corner" that it will be at first to "the usual pile of ...stuff..in the corner."

[SeigneurDude]

So by beef up they mean keep it "over there in the corner" like it is now. The beef up part is from the "less of a pile in that corner" that it will be at first to "the usual pile of ...stuff..in the corner."

I would imagine that the "beefing up" side is part of an overall discussion on how they are going to need to increase server capacity and functionality to handle the influx of the new F2P and Premium clients to the 'worlds'...

[BellusDuFenna]

Unless you are a VIP you can not participate in monster play at all freep or creep. So unless you are a lifetimer or a subscriber you can not enter the Ettenmoors.

Wow. Didn't see that coming. This will certainly upset some of the players coming in via F2P, not having any outlet at all for PvP-style play, unless they go VIP.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, mind you... Only that this won't go over well with the F2P and Premium crowd.

[SeigneurDude]

Wow. Didn't see that coming. This will certainly upset some of the players coming in via F2P, not having any outlet at all for PvP-style play, unless they go VIP.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, mind you... Only that this won't go over well with the F2P and Premium crowd.

Agreed. They need to give a timeline indicating when they expect to be able to handle the F2P and Premium players in PvMP.

[Angelina_Rayne]

Frelorn...

It's spelled CAEK!

Now here is a man who pays attention to details! <3

[Frelorn]

Agreed. They need to give a timeline indicating when they expect to be able to handle the F2P and Premium players in PvMP.

When we have one we will be sure to pass along the information.

[Bob]

When we have one we will be sure to pass along the information.

As I said in another thread, you should allow premium peeps to purchase set time in the moors, as you do with DDO content packs. Then it wouldn't be flooded and abused, just tried out by those who are curious and want to see it.

[MissingMinds]

I'm concerned about the PvMP community with the announcement of Free to Play. What kind of effect do you think it will have on Monster Play? Before this turns into a complaint thread, I encourage those who may have a positive spin to speak up. I can't think of any. :/

Have you looked at the map of what the different levels grant you? It changes nothing. if anything you may end up with more in the PvMP area. Only VIPs and Lifers can PvMP.

Exactly the same as it is now.

[jadacakai]

Some of the ideas here are ones we have discussed internally as well. The reality is, the ettenmoors is one zone. As a result we have to consider what a massive influx of players to that zone would mean. Frankly, collapse. That would be bad for everyone, new and old players. So our first priority with the launch is to protect our long time PvMP players from that type of negative experience. Then we'll work on coming up with ways to beef up PvMP to allow for free or premium players. We're not turning a blind eye or trying to exclude PvMP from anything, we're just trying to take a 'first, do no harm' approach.

Thankyou, best news ive heard.

[ksjock]

There are many people who only play creep side. Prior to F2P all they need is a lvl 10 toon and subscription to play.
I realise that nothing will really change in pVmp but that is sort of the problem (as i see it). If you have a subscription you become a VIP and can play in the moors. However paying for VIP if you are only interested in playing creep side seems a bit much. Unless you plan on giving creeps something for their money (a new map maybe) because what use will 500 points a month be to a creep? I can see a lot of full time creeps asking; "what's in it for me if I pay for VIP?" I mean they won't need to buy new pVe content (or other pVe perks) with their 500 points/month.
I think someone eluded to the idea that there should be another option with a revised payment plan to play creep side only. I think this needs to be investigated.

[Perfectlotus]

As I said in another thread, you should allow premium peeps to purchase set time in the moors, as you do with DDO content packs. Then it wouldn't be flooded and abused, just tried out by those who are curious and want to see it.

Yup, something sneak peakish needs to be done otherwise we aint gonna see any new recruits to the moors and in the long run that will probably slowly empty it

However, of course if Turbine decides to actually DO something for the PvMP in this game it might be a lure in itself to come check it out by paying. However this I only believe when I see it, because weve been fed the same vague BS from Turbine for the past 3 years regarding PvMP. With one exception for MoM were they actually tried, but failed miserably because PvE took presedence over the PvMP and we ended up with the worst fiasco ever and had to endure patch updates to change how you rode a horse as priority over the worst inbalance ever in the moors. Several months later they finally managed to make the moors endurable (not good, because that took them almost a year.) Its a miracle in itself that there actually was any players left at all by that time. Turbine owes a lot to the stubborn and enduring PvMPers.

I wanna see PvMPers being treated royally this time and I dont just mean some small tweaks. I want to see Turbine putting 100% effort and resources into something that will make PvMP in this game shine. PvMP deserves it.

/Silkdawn

[ducksfan2]

Nothing really is going to change, you just wont have Trial-account greenies running around.

Besides that - I think everything will stay the same, maybe a little more focus on PvP? *crosses fingers*

Only VIP accounts can access the Moors. There won't be as many players, but there will still *Hopefully* be PVMP daily.

[Fredelas]

Some of the ideas here are ones we have discussed internally as well. The reality is, the ettenmoors is one zone. As a result we have to consider what a massive influx of players to that zone would mean. Frankly, collapse. That would be bad for everyone, new and old players. So our first priority with the launch is to protect our long time PvMP players from that type of negative experience. Then we'll work on coming up with ways to beef up PvMP to allow for free or premium players. We're not turning a blind eye or trying to exclude PvMP from anything, we're just trying to take a 'first, do no harm' approach.

I don't want to come off sounding argumentative, but I feel a little cheated by this plan.

Why should I continue paying monthly for VIP status (and access to the Ettenmoors), if that investment is being used primarily to provide free access to that same content for Premium and Free Players later?

My opinion may be the opposite of what others are saying, but if this is going to be the case, I'd almost rather permanently limit access to the Ettenmoors to VIP Players. Perhaps a la carte options could be added for Premium Players for daily, weekly, or monthly access to the Ettenmoors, too. (Remember that all Free Players automatically and permanently become Premium Players as soon as they make this kind of a purchase once.)

These a la carte options would also provide extremely straightforward metrics on PvMP to Turbine to help them gauge an appropriate level of reinvestment of those resources into PvMP improvements.

[Kraggy]

Unless you are a VIP you can not participate in monster play at all freep or creep. So unless you are a lifetimer or a subscriber you can not enter the Ettenmoors.

"Yet, though expect it to be another RMT option some time after the F2P launch as our new valued customers demand it and our old 'valued customers' cease to be relevant to us".

FTFY.

[0rdinary0wl]

My opinion is they are either going to make it very tempting to go VIP for pvmp, or it's going to be the nail in the coffin.

[ArendilGCoA]

As I said in another thread, you should allow premium peeps to purchase set time in the moors, as you do with DDO content packs. Then it wouldn't be flooded and abused, just tried out by those who are curious and want to see it.

PvMP needs a complete revamp in my opinion. It's pretty bad, and doesn't attract enough Freeps. There's a lot that can be done with it, and I'm sure they will make some changes. Hopefully once it's improved, they will allow premium and free players to try it out, but not a moment sooner. You don't want people coming into the PvMP zone which they "rented" and have a bad experience and therefore deciding not to upgrade anyway. First step would be to fix, then allow them in.

Also, PvMP skirmishes would be a great idea. They in essence sound really fun, and productive. They could also be a good source of rewards for players and revenue for the devs. Purchasable skirmish rounds could mean a decent steady income. Couple points for a round in a skirmish match would attract a lot of players to play as monsters or even on their Freeps.

[Perfectlotus]

Ive never been a fan of the skirmish PvMP idea for the simple fact it would compete with the moors about the people. The moors would probably be turned into a PvE zone for the Creeps only if that would be implemented.

Oh and also as someone posted. Theres a difference between being against people being able to play in the moors and being able to test it out. Im also for not letting free or premium members enter, BUT there must be a way for them to test it out anyway. I think Turbine needs to work something out in that area and preferably not a halfyear after release of F2P but already at release.

/Silkdawn