Banners disappearing more quickly???

[Elendras]

Anyone notice that their banners are disappearing rather quickly? I didn't notice it when F2P first went live, but then just this week I started to notice. I am having to replace my banner ALOT more than before. Is this as intended?

[andredoc]

noticed this aswell, dunno if it's intended :S

[dennisconrad]

And I thought it was me...

Graaaaaaaaaaalx2! Is this intended? Adds to the Power problem

[Spacmanbobr]

I agree, this is annoying... banner disappeared twice or so in a twins fight yesterday that was only about 10-15 minutes... it's not the power of reapplying one that bugs me, just the fact that it's one more thing you have to pay attention to, which can be annoying in fights like twins HM and LT HM...

[Almagnus1]

Or....

You could switch to a herald :P

Granted, this is an annoying bug that needs to be fixed.

[ydoc16]

More like probably a purposeful nerf to make people realize the limitation of banners =)

[dae888]

Banner seems to last about 5 minutes?
Except in big boss fights I've been making a practice of refreshing the banner at the same time as In Defense of Middle Earth

[myschief]

The captain that I usually game with, noticed the duration decrease prior to F2P

[Apocatequil]

From my experience it doesn't seem to be happening quicker by itself although if you have to move it seems to despawn in far less time, as it stands now if you run out of range of the banner say kiting the fell beast or dropping an eye in the twins your banner will disappear in the time you are away. Banners were always on a 5min timer I think.

Just my observations.

[Vedryn]

Also noticed the banners going *poof* at unexpected times.

I think it is based off of moving X distance from the banner, I won't say getting Out Of Range of the effect.

If I plant the banner and tank while standing on it, it doesn't seem to disappear 'early'.

Plant, then advance and engage targets, the banner is generally gone after clearing a few mobs.

[PF-Grumpy]

I noticed this a lot while doing a Durchest fight last week. i would plant the banner, and have to move over to help with the add and my banner would despawn. This never happened prior to the patch.

[Lupini]

Yes, there seems to be a range/timer problem. The banner is disappearing more frequently, and after years of captain play, I *KNOW* I'm not out of range nor has it been 5 minutes. Sometimes it's less than a minute.

The Shield Brother "connection" has also been dropping frequently, with just a bit of distance. If I can heal them with Words of Courage, why can I not have them be Shield Buddy? Inspire has a long range, but it doesn't work if I can't get SB to stick.

[Elendras]

Well glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. This is something that *did not* need nerfed. Talk about ridiculous...

[Lupini]

I wouldn't assume this is a nerf.

Let's start paying attention and submitting bug reports. There is definitely *something* going on with the range settings for buff type stuff.

[Graalx2]

We have made no purposeful change to the duration of banners or the range at which they poof.

I tested a banner this morning and it lasted the full 5 minutes. I also backed away until the banner disappeared and I was a long, long way away before it poofed. Now, this is not to say that something isn't going wrong, but it will take more information before we can figure what that is. As Lupini said, continue to watch your banners and file bug reports when something doesn't look right.

[Grampsaz]

There are still Physics issues in some instances, be aware of these spots. I personally seen a banner drop through a floor and about a minute later the capt wonder why it despawned so quick.

[Thane9]

There are all kinds of issues in the Ettenmoors, and I heard some Capts talking about banners being affected as well.

The Ettenmoors issues seem to be occuring at/around zone boundaries. Terrible skill lag, hanging, sometimes lost connections, spikes in %packet loss, inelligable targets right in front of you, ranged dropping of targets, loss of banners etc.

Whole huge bands of area are completely impossible to fight in. And some solo/small groups are even starting to exploit them by applying dots then running to the boundaries where they can't be touched/targeted/attacked.

I'm not sure if this is the same problem, or just a different problem with a similar symptom. But I thought I'd share. I'll try to find a captain friend who's experienced this in the moors to post and clarify.

[Apocatequil]

We have made no purposeful change to the duration of banners or the range at which they poof.

I tested a banner this morning and it lasted the full 5 minutes. I also backed away until the banner disappeared and I was a long, long way away before it poofed. Now, this is not to say that something isn't going wrong, but it will take more information before we can figure what that is. As Lupini said, continue to watch your banners and file bug reports when something doesn't look right.

One thing that I did notice was that in certain fights damage to my banner is showing up in my combat log. Things such as the red corruption for the LT (fear dot), I dont recall seeing this frequently prior to ftp however I'm not sure if this is definately related to what people have noticed with regards to timers.

Anyways thanks for the post and update

[IMAWIN]

Banner seems to last about 5 minutes?
Except in big boss fights I've been making a practice of refreshing the banner at the same time as In Defense of Middle Earth

Unless something changed somewhere between Moria and Mirkwood, banners have always lasted 5 minutes. I remember timing it way back in SoA with IDoME. I would plant banner and cast IDoME at the same time. The banner would disappear about the time IDoME wore off. So unless they increased the duration sometime after SoA, it has always lasted 5 minutes.

Or are you guys saying it's not even lasting 5 minutes anymore?

[phillbvi2]

Signed. I have also noticed this as well. Mainly inside instances.

[biny]

I've noticed this too, specifically in Ost Elendil kiting Guloth around the big planter. I thought it might have something to do with some effect he does, but I really have no idea. I find myself planting my banner much more often than 5 minutes while doing that.

[Lupini]

Or are you guys saying it's not even lasting 5 minutes anymore?

Correct, it's not lasting the full 5 minutes.

I just loaded BuffBars LuA, and I'm going to use that to time the banner. That counts "up" on the timer for the banner, so I don't even have to do math. All I'll have to do is note where things are happening.

I'm also going to start noting how far away a Shield Brother is when the buff drops (using the mini-map). It's not consistently dropping when I think it should be in range, so there must be some other factor involved (zone line or something). Are we being effected by dynamic layering?

This is a subtle one, and some of it might just be problems with perceived time. However, I think enough of us are noticing something not right, so we should pay attention and help find the problem.

ETA: Thank you Graalx2 for letting us know there were no deliberate changes, so we can work on finding the triggers.

[dorkchops]

I noticed before F2P that the walking fire will sometimes focus its attention on the banner and swallow it up whole and then proceed to the next target. Perhaps the same thing is happening where some sort of AoE is putting a beat down on the banner.

Walking fire is the fire cast up by the priests in the Arena.
I haven't run Arena in a while so I dunno if it still happens but it seemed to happen maybe 1 out of every 5 runs or so.