@turbine: my.lotro shows everything - to everyone - no matter what

[Caranthon]

As I said that earlier in this thread - sure, someone who only RP's in front of the Pony might not show at all - still, I would say that the % you get wrong here would be smaller than from logins (plus a lot of these people might still have another character that they level etc - remember, this is about accounts, not characters - the sum of all).

There is lot's that shows up in the activity lists, even daily quests. Not sure about PvMP.

It would be interesting me thinks.

quest to? ohh, kk.

yes, than it would be possible, but:

to get all this data from my lotro you`ll need a lot of time. e.g: 1h only for the pvmp-freeps of landroval... so you cant do that very often.

it might be faster if its know how many request could be send in a second to mylotro without slowing it down for normal users.

[BilwissKicker]

In this case it's more like - keep a customer or lose it. For Turbine.
Aye. Every side has to move a bit. Eurogamers will have to accept, that there will be some statistics available to everyone. But also Turbine needs to approach towards the european, especially the german mentality. The community will be twice as big as it is now. There are 15 "US" Servers and there will be 14 "EU" Servers. Around 50% of the players from Europe are German.

If Turbine want's to keep LotRO as great and as amazing as it now is, they will have to move - at least a slightly bit. I'm sure they don't want to lose customers as well as we don't want to lose a great game.

Let's hope so. :-/

Mmmh.... World of Warcraftt [Arsenal Bull*BEEP*] There´s no option to use a "fully privacy mode" ... so i never played this game. If there´s no privacy option in my lotro... i´ll better look for an other game.

Somebody was writing something about "american way of business".... Let me tell you one thing `bout that....
(The big bank desaster was made @ USA - its a "greedy thing")

Google, a commercial Company... wanted to show my house by their Steet View Bull*BEEP*. I told them... if you want to show it... first: you have to ask. second: you have to pay for. They didn´t so i told them... you will never have any right to show my house by your service. .... Now the place in the street is blacked out (not only pixel´d....)

*eg* if i would type my real name into the search field @ google .... there would be absolutely zero information about me.

At this time i can say..... Codemasters vs Turbine 1:0

[Caranthon]

so, what's up now here? will i get in trouble when I`m making such a page as described above? (here)

[Fredelas]

so, what's up now here? will i get in trouble when I`m making such a page as described above? (here)

I'm not sure if "will I get in trouble?" is the only question you should be asking.



I'd also ask:

1. Will collecting and presenting these data be useful to the LOTRO community? (Maybe. I don't see how it would be useful to me personally.)
2. Might any individual players or groups of players object to using these data this way? (Probably. Whether it's allowed or not, it's good practice to take other players' preferences into consideration.)
3. Will scraping these data impact the performance of the service for other users? (Almost certainly yes. Given the sheer volume of individual characters, I imagine it would be nearly impossible to collect all the data in a timely manner without disrupting the service.)

I'm not sure if this is a project you seriously wish to do, or if you're only trying to prove a point. If it's the latter, I'd say your point has already been made.


Edit to add my opinion on the matter:
It seems clear that the presence of a single non-anonymous character on an account is not intended to facilitate the linking of all characters on that account to each other (anonymous or otherwise), nor to the account's forum identity.

It's my hope that when the data.lotro.com service is restarted and myLOTRO updates begin again, that the web team can take this community feedback into consideration and either arrive at a privacy scheme that can fully accomodate these preferences, or perhaps remove this access entirely except for the currently logged in player's characters. Either way, this seems like a lot of work, especially if it includes adding authentication to the data.lotro.com APIs. But it's important work, and it deserves to be done as soon as resources permit.

[Isilmewen]

I'll try again. I did understand the question. This is working as intended.

The options allow you to not display the links/information on your page. They do not stop anyone who knows the name of a character from looking up the data through other methods in my.lotro.com. This also includes the Skirmish and PvMP leaderboards. Your data is still there if if you choose to remove the data/links from your page.

To be very clear, within my.lotro.com your characters are not 'you', they are characters and cannot be removed from the data nor can any data about them be blocked or made "anonymous".

"You" are represented by your Community Nickname (displayed as "Player" on my.lotro.com); this is the name displayed in your forum posts. This information can be hidden from being displayed on the character page. It will display as "Player:Anonymous." So you can disassociate yourself from the characters on your account.

This doesn't works now, I uncheck my character, so I would like to be annonymous, but I'm not. How I solve this?

[Reniannen]

This doesn't works now, I uncheck my character, so I would like to be annonymous, but I'm not. How I solve this?

You will never see your own characters as anonymous. (Not unless you log off)

[Ruflus]

I too would like to see a much better privacy scheme than that currently offered by the forum & my.lotro.

[Digital_Utopia]

Actually... If you check this article International_Safe_Harbor_Priv acy_Principles on wikipedia you will see that there is more to this.

To be allowed to operate in Europe, Turbine will have to adhere to the safe harbour principles w.r.t. privacy (which means largely abide by European privacy law for European customers).

These principles must provide:

Notice - Individuals must be informed that their data is being collected and about how it will be used.
Choice - Individuals must have the ability to opt out of the collection and forward transfer of the data to third parties.
Onward Transfer - Transfers of data to third parties may only occur to other organizations that follow adequate data protection principles.
Security - Reasonable efforts must be made to prevent loss of collected information.
Data Integrity - Data must be relevant and reliable for the purpose it was collected for.
Access - Individuals must be able to access information held about them, and correct or delete it if it is inaccurate.
Enforcement - There must be effective means of enforcing these rules.

No "individual" data is being collected - they are only collecting data that belongs to them.

so whats up with this very important topic? any forum developer around to check that out?

any developer or admin around who wanna turn this wanna-be-facebook into a real social network with duties and rights (like facebook) or will it be left as a character database for anyone in the world as it is now (not like facebook)?

Any possibility to get a short comment from a developer's and not from a moderator's point of view? Thanks and kind regards

Well regardless, whatever duties and rights a facebook-like site is obligated to, would only apply to the individual,not their characters. So even if this were to turn into LotRObook - the only difference would be settings for the display of personal information, and not information that Turbine owns.

Mmmh.... World of Warcraftt [Arsenal Bull*BEEP*] There´s no option to use a "fully privacy mode" ... so i never played this game. If there´s no privacy option in my lotro... i´ll better look for an other game.

Somebody was writing something about "american way of business".... Let me tell you one thing `bout that....
(The big bank desaster was made @ USA - its a "greedy thing")

Google, a commercial Company... wanted to show my house by their Steet View Bull*BEEP*. I told them... if you want to show it... first: you have to ask. second: you have to pay for. They didn´t so i told them... you will never have any right to show my house by your service. .... Now the place in the street is blacked out (not only pixel´d....)

*eg* if i would type my real name into the search field @ google .... there would be absolutely zero information about me.

At this time i can say..... Codemasters vs Turbine 1:0

er...Turbine hasn't leaked any personal information about you. Just the characters you're allowed to create and play - that are entirely made up of code and assets that Turbine not only owns - but also created in the first place.

In addition, those characters aren't tied directly to the individual either - the account acts as an extra layer of privacy that you own. As long as Turbine isn't releasing the personal information tied to that account - there's no violation of privacy taking place.

[Chewie1973]

No "individual" data is being collected - they are only collecting data that belongs to them.



Well regardless, whatever duties and rights a facebook-like site is obligated to, would only apply to the individual,not their characters. So even if this were to turn into LotRObook - the only difference would be settings for the display of personal information, and not information that Turbine owns.



er...Turbine hasn't leaked any personal information about you. Just the characters you're allowed to create and play - that are entirely made up of code and assets that Turbine not only owns - but also created in the first place.

In addition, those characters aren't tied directly to the individual either - the account acts as an extra layer of privacy that you own. As long as Turbine isn't releasing the personal information tied to that account - there's no violation of privacy taking place.

Is it really so hard to understand that people want to keep their anonymity?
Ingame there is an anonymity-option. The player would get angry too, if anyone could bypass this function regardless of the "ownership" of the characters by Turbine.
And however you try to dress it up: people can check which Creep belongs to which Freep player - and this is absolutely not acceptable!

[helbart1]

Every player is still anonymous.
Except when the player chooses to make it public who is behind the character.
Turbine will never reveal personal data. This must be and can only done by the player itself.

[Chewie1973]

Okay, I see...
For some people it is really too difficult to understand.

[Lestache]

Is it really so hard to understand that people want to keep their anonymity?
Ingame there is an anonymity-option. The player would get angry too, if anyone could bypass this function regardless of the "ownership" of the characters by Turbine.
And however you try to dress it up: people can check which Creep belongs to which Freep player - and this is absolutely not acceptable!

Why is this not acceptable?

[Digital_Utopia]

Is it really so hard to understand that people want to keep their anonymity?
Ingame there is an anonymity-option. The player would get angry too, if anyone could bypass this function regardless of the "ownership" of the characters by Turbine.
And however you try to dress it up: people can check which Creep belongs to which Freep player - and this is absolutely not acceptable!

I'll agree that the anonymous feature, and more specifically, the side effect of not allowing a player with anonymous turned on to be inspected, is something that should've been changed as well at the time they introduced mylotro - due to the conflicting messages it sends.

It (the inspection block) has never really prevented or solved anything in the first place, and the potential abuse of it is more likely to cause more harm than whatever little amount it does help.

It is worth noting that such activity logs do not update in real-time, and the main features of the anonymity command do still protect those players from unwanted harassment - by preventing people from interacting with them directly, or finding out exactly where they are - or what character they are on.

Note that this, and the relatively recent use of id numbers - instead of sticking only with name/server, are two separate issues - at least in my mind. Since these id numbers do make it possible to match up characters with a single account id, it does undermine the purpose of the "anonymous" feature of my.lotro, and should be changed.

As far as character data itself - that cannot be tied to an account, without the account owner's implicit decision to do so, there would be nothing affecting an individual's privacy - despite the contradictory nature of the "inspect" block.

[Chewie1973]

Why is this not acceptable?

Is it possible that you are no Creep and/or Freep player?
Otherwise you wouldn't ask this question.
There are many people who act really aggressive against their opponents despite of the fact tjat this is only a game.
So it is understandable that Creeps or Freeps don't want that everyone know their characters of the other side.

Note that this, and the relatively recent use of id numbers - instead of sticking only with name/server, are two separate issues - at least in my mind. Since these id numbers do make it possible to match up characters with a single account id, it does undermine the purpose of the "anonymous" feature of my.lotro, and should be changed.

As far as character data itself - that cannot be tied to an account, without the account owner's implicit decision to do so, there would be nothing affecting an individual's privacy - despite the contradictory nature of the "inspect" block.

Fully agree to the first passage. This would be a great step in the right direction. If my.lotro offers an anonymous function it should be working correct. And there should be no cheap excuse of the Communiy manager that this is "working as intended" (Sorry, in my opinion it's a cheap excuse).
The second passage would be acceptable - for me.

[Reniannen]

So it is understandable that Creeps or Freeps don't want that everyone know their characters of the other side.

Funny, in my tribe it is mandatory to tell who is at least your main freep. It greatly discourages any kind of harassment.

[Chewie1973]

Funny, in my tribe it is mandatory to tell who is at least your main freep. It greatly discourages any kind of harassment.

Funny: The behaviour of your tribe counts generally for all players?
I would tell this a great egomania!

[Reniannen]

Funny: The behaviour of your tribe counts generally for all players?
I would tell this a great egomania!

Huh?
Or in other words: What the hell do you mean?

[Thostunmund]

I'm happy with showing my lotro-charakters to lotro.com visitors. But not to everyone on the net.

[brasswire12]

There are many people who act really aggressive against their opponents despite of the fact tjat this is only a game.
So it is understandable that Creeps or Freeps don't want that everyone know their characters of the other side.

So we should be protecting the anonymity of creeps who want to go out and act like asses in pvp but not have their freeps reputation affected by it? Is that your argument? Because I think enabling this kind of behaviour is exactly what we should not be doing.

[HRHoftheWraithRiders]

Hey this link was a big shock for me: so I have paid to have my name changed 3 times and my kin name changed once. Why? go to my lotro blog and read up: this is a disgrace for an American company. So much for making any toon anon: joke.

BTW: I don't PVP or play creepside. Even if I did, who cares that much?

I may as well be on Facebook or Google with privacy policies that change on a semi-daily basis. Good luck on trying to be anon. I really don't give a dang anymore.

Don't pay to have your name changed or your kin name unless you want to make WB richer.

This is more bad PR not for Turbine folks, but def for WB.

We don't mind that you make $$$ from us, but please do it in an ethical and coherent manner. Please.

Whoever is in charge of marketing at WB with regard to this game? I would have fired them a year ago. Good luck if you keep your multi-million $$$ job at this point.

I don't want any more explanations from Sapience: I just want this fixed. Good to see most of the above links are "gone."

If you are part of Guildlanch? good luck, you may as well be on Facebook.