Something thats bugging me about the proposed changes.

[Mysterion]

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That said..I am a person of my word, and though far too soon for any final conclusions...I freely and quite happily admit already feeling a greater cause for optimism than I have felt in months.

I am actually considering getting the expansion at this point (had decided against it with certainty before), since Turbine has independently now said that 5 instances are also on their way, price included, with a pre-order of RoI. With doubts about my favorite toon and the game direction itself, store and a seeming "money grab" that looked to be taking place...now processing newer info and in part seeming to at least have potential for a better outcome than was apparent absent this information...I am indeed rethinking things.

Its a good day, imo.

Figured once some of the beta news was out there'd be a small change of heart for some of the community. Optimism used, and may be getting the expansion - phew thats a lot to take in reading one post. My only real agenda was to try and not let NDA info slip while trying to allude to other things. What I learned, being vague and optimistic annoy others...oh well I tried my best. Good luck with all your guards, I'll try and keep my guard thread posts limited to warden bashing corners from now on.

[Walhalla_EU]

Unfortunately, Champions wear Heavy armour too .

ay. Lets hope the crit defense is going to be the equaliser... but I doubt it.

I guess with the minor nerfs to Fervour threat, at the very least,

Orion stated quite vehemently that DPS will still be able to grab aggro if they aren't careful. So I have a dual feeling.

[Evendale]

Orion stated quite vehemently that DPS will still be able to grab aggro if they aren't careful. So I have a dual feeling.

Yes, he's been a bit flip-flop in his statements about Fervour threat. I suppose with 10 levels of scaling, anything could happen

[MorliX]

ay. Lets hope the crit defense is going to be the equaliser... but I doubt it.
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I don't know the actual numbers, but they (champs) had a skill buff that now adds crit defense and are also using heavy armor mitigation like us.

I still think champs will be more of a threat than they were before...but am somewhat pacified that we don't seem to be the defensive milksops it sounded from the original release.

We will likely never know if it was intended all along (the increased heavy armor mitigation)...unless people from beta can say definitively whether the additional mits were always there or only kicked-in AFTER the campaign of complaints and sad expectations began in earnest.

In any event, in the off-chance that it had a positive effect...I have no regrets for the effort and noise that we/I made.

If it was always intended, then they should have told us so concerns would not have developed as they did.

If it wasn't, then we made ourselves heard and the 'campaign" was a success.

In either event, we are looking better than we did right after that pitiful class note we received.

We still deserve some better skill updates and MUCH better communication...but I can at least "live with" and am more encouraged to return to playing our class, so long as it now looks NOT to become only a "shadow" of what it has been.

[Mysterion]

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We will likely never know if it was intended all along (the increased heavy armor mitigation)...unless people from beta can say definitively whether the additional mits were always there or only kicked-in AFTER the campaign of complaints and sad expectations began in earnest.

In any event, in the off-chance that it had a positive effect...I have no regrets for the effort and noise that we/I made.

If it was always intended, then they should have told us so concerns would not have developed as they did.

If it wasn't, then we made ourselves heard and the 'campaign" was a success.

In either event, we are looking better than we did right after that pitiful class note we received.
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The mits were being reported high as soon as the beta opened. Thats why I always pushed guards to just wait and see. I'm guessing your campaign had little to do with anything besides making the devs avoid your threads like the plague. So successful in that regard, lol. Could you imagine how jumped a blue name would get in here?

[MorliX]

Typical and expected response...blame the players for devs being unresponsive. Obvious troll is still obvious, even when trying harder to disguise it.

[MorliX]

I will let the devs handle you from here out mist...your lies and hostility are just too much....you have admitted intentionally trolling and "that it was fun" in other threads. Enough is enough.

[socom33]

Why would a Developer respond to a thread outside of Beta that concerns balancing issues? The only way for a player to give useful feedback in that regard is to test it, parse, post it and expecting Developers to communicate these issues outside of the beta forums is, imo, a waste of their time.

Why Orion had to be so vocal with his changes is because he was tweaking based on what people wished the new Champ/Warden/Mini mechanics should 'feel' like which is almost completely independent of balance issues for skills. The fact that Guardians, Captains, and Burglars are getting few gameplay-style changes is reflected in the Developer responsiveness outside of Beta. Also one can't forget two other classes have had no changes released outside of beta and that our Dev also seems to be heading the new Combat System changes based on his recent posts.

[MorliX]

Good points Socom...I do suspect you would agree that we might have had a little better interraction from our dev BEFORE the beta period started.

[TUX426]

Good points Socom...I do suspect you would agree that we might have had a little better interraction from our dev BEFORE the beta period started.

Better? How about SOME?! Our Dev didn't even post his own freaking diary.

I'm sorry...I'm still see nothing in this update to be excited about. We got a few minimal fixes (some not even asked for), but no "update".

[socom33]

Better? How about SOME?! Our Dev didn't even post his own freaking diary.

I'm sorry...I'm still see nothing in this update to be excited about. We got a few minimal fixes (some not even asked for), but no "update".

Given how few changes are being implemented, there wasn't much to discuss. Plus testing hadn't occurred and thus numbers hadn't been applied to almost everything, and numbers are really what makes or breaks a class.

[Stubi]

Best thing is other classes have had 2 class updates plus a massive change in this patch while we have received, nothing, nada, zilch, zero, diddly squat.

Even with a paid expansion we can't even get half a bone let alone a full one thrown to us.