can't even make post about someone ninja-ing Worn Symbol of Celimbrebor

[harkamsu]

It seems Turbine does very little to punish people that purposely grief in the game world. Earlier I made a post about a guy, who will now remain nameless, that led a 12 man raid skirmish on my server, Elendilmir. A Worn Symbol of Celimbrebor dropped and we proceeded to do /random 100 rolls using master looter, which is pretty usual for 12 man raid skirmishes, at least on Elendilmir. One of my kinmates won the roll with a 100, but instead of getting the Worn Symbol, the raid leader steals the Worn Symbol, drops raid, and disconnects from the server.

So after the forums came back up, I made a post about the incident. Yes, I included a name because without a name the post is pretty useless. A bunch of us that were in that raid were going to make a post when it happened a few days ago but the forums were down. I figured that is the least we could do to help prevent that guy from doing this again and again. A few days ago he was seen on /glff trying to sell that Worn Symbol as well as trying to start another 12 man group for raid skirmishes. When glff members confronted him about this he just said we didn't get it, that he didn't care, and that he would do it all over again.

We sent tickets in game about the guy and about possibly getting the Worn Symbol. Of course we had a feeling they would do nothing to restore a stolen Worn Symbol. We did not expect the GMs to let the guy run rampant as was evidenced by him freely chatting on glff.

So that guy gets off without as much as a slap on the wrist, and I get infracted. I think Turbine needs to really address some of the shortcomings of how issues like this are handled, instead of playing big brother and infracting someone for posting about stuff like this. Yea, there's the issue of maybe I BSed all of this, but enough people saw it happen that would have chimed in and vouched for me.

Way to go Turbine. Way to go.
/end rant.

[whheydt]

OPs post will probably earn another whack from the moderators.

Please...read the "Community Guidelines" posted at the top of every forum.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

[Killien]

Complaining about infractions is the best way I know to go about getting another one...

[Cerridwen]

A) your first post was a CoC violation
B) this post is a CoC violation

You're on a roll today. You might want to freshen up on the CoC.

[djheydt]

If you want to complain about something done by some other player, do it IN GAME. That way, no one will see what you say except the GM who opens the ticket. He or she will decide how best to handle it. As pointed out above, complaining about other players in these forums just gets you trouble.

[harkamsu]

And the unnamed person's behavior was not a CoC violation? He's running around doing the same thing over again on the server and basically bragging about what he did when other members confront him about it, and by confront I don't mean by spewing names or verbally attacking him. People just tend to chime and and repeat what he's done when he posts in chat that he wants to form a raid.

That guy got no punishment. Not even a one day ban since he was active on glff chat the day after it happened.

And my post is not against CoC. I did not verbally attack Turbine or the staff here. Show me what could be construed as an attack and I'll edit it.

I merely gave a suggestion that Turbine should look into how these matters are handled.

And regarding THIS thread: Rule #1 of the Code of Conduct specifically states: “While participating in the Game or on the Game Website you must respect the rights of others to play and enjoy the Game world as intended by Turbine.”

I'm exercising my right to "enjoy the Game world as intended by Turbine." Surely some individual stealing a Worn Symbol of Celimbrebor is not what Turbine intended as "enjoyable."

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EDIT: GMs used to be more proactive. Years back a kinmate had this same thing happen when regular Symbols of Celimbrebor were the hot commodity. The GM restored that Symbol of Celimbrebor and infracted the person that stole it. Things have changed.

[Yula_the_Mighty]

Surely some individual stealing a Worn Symbol of Celimbrebor is not what Turbine intended as "enjoyable."

There is no thievery.

Master Looter means that all loot at the threshold or higher belongs to the leader. You accepted the Leader's ownership of the loot when you joined the group on the run. The situation you are describing is one big problem with Master Looter. You are depending on the Leader distributing the loot via a method that meets your approval.

There is nothing in the CoC, ToS or EULA the requires the players to always to tell the truth. We can tell lies if we want. There is nothing in the USA Federal code against telling lies - the one exception is in court when you area sworn witness - you can refuse to answer - or state that you are not answering that question for self incrimination.

[Cerridwen]

And my post is not against CoC. I did not verbally attack Turbine or the staff here. Show me what could be construed as an attack and I'll edit it.

You need to go back and read the CoC.

To your first thread, which got removed:

1. While participating on the Community Sites, you must respect the rights of others to participate in the community. To this end you may not harass, defraud, threaten or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other members or Turbine staff. This includes, but is not limited to:

• Creating a thread, post, or comment on any of the Community Sites that calls out another player(s) for their actions in the game

And to this thread:

14. Do not re-post or quote any materials which violate the Community Guidelines. This includes re-posting a thread or topic which has been previously closed or removed by the Turbine Community Team.

and

17. We do not publicly discuss moderation decisions, or disciplinary actions taken against members, on the Community Sites and we ask that you do not either. Any threads or posts that mention infractions, bans, or thread/post deletions or modifications, etc. are subject to removal and may result in further disciplinary action.

[Millidreth]

I just want to say this: You aren't the first person/group to get screwed, and you won't be the last.

You can say you are trying to spread the word on your server/forums, but it really doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is, this player did something the other 11 people in his group didn't agree to. And you are upset about this, I get that. But honestly, it's going to happen and I think you are better off just trying again and not wasting your time on the forums about it.

It's going to keep happening, especially since ROI just came out, there's a bunch of new loot everyone's hungry for and the greedy people who don't care about others are going to do what they can to get it first.

I've seen on my server several people raging for over a week and a half now in GLFF about one guy who did the exact same thing. They are trying to "warn" other players when this guy tries to form a new group. I just don't see the logic in trusting 11 random people on the internet so everyone gets a fair chance at an item, and then getting pissed off about it for so long. This game is meant to be enjoyed, and the best way you can do that is to keep playing despite the selfish people and ignore them as best you can. Especially since there are way more nice people on the game than there are "thieves".

[Sapience]

As others have pointed out...

17. We do not publicly discuss moderation decisions, or disciplinary actions taken against members, on the Community Sites and we ask that you do not either. Any threads or posts that mention infractions, bans, or thread/post deletions or modifications, etc. are subject to removal and may result in further disciplinary action.